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Steam outline locos
Topic Started: 18 May 2009, 09:17 PM (1,466 Views)
little giant
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well my fave is clara as it is more in line with a steam loco with a full steam smokebox ie opening door and square hole in base for steam pipes. It amazing what u find when stripping a loco for repairs.
How it can be said to be horrible is strange as it is a tank version of sain and katie!!!!
It may only be 15" but it is fun to play with
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No one has mention "Auld Reekie" from Arbroath a nicely detailed and proportioned 10 1/4" loco

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Interesting about "Clara". Could this be another of the Guest locos that was eventually intended to be a live steamer?
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it allways was intended to be if i get the story right a customer backed out mid build ( i shall have to check the book i have on EW twining
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I dunno Tim, it is on my list of "wouldn't it be nice to" especially looking at Katie.... I really must get down to Rhyl and measure it up to see.

Clara has no provision for cylinders though, either externally (no crank pin) or internally (straight, not crank axle). However the wheels, rods, axleboxes and pony truck are consistent with Tracy Jo, Katie and Sian, as is the smokebox and chimney. But then, Rachel also shared the same wheels, rods and axleboxes.

There is every chance it was "cobbled" together from spare bits destined for another steamer.

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craiggluyas
20 May 2009, 10:58 AM
I dunno Tim, it is on my list of "wouldn't it be nice to" especially looking at Katie.... I really must get down to Rhyl and measure it up to see.

Clara has no provision for cylinders though, either externally (no crank pin) or internally (straight, not crank axle). However the wheels, rods, axleboxes and pony truck are consistent with Tracy Jo, Katie and Sian, as is the smokebox and chimney. But then, Rachel also shared the same wheels, rods and axleboxes.

There is every chance it was "cobbled" together from spare bits destined for another steamer.

Craig
We've also discussed the Guest locos in detail in other parts of the Forum. ;)

The easiest thread to find (and I'm aure there are more) is:

http://s9.zetaboards.com/MRW_Forums/topic/7057359/1/

Funny how our discussions always seem to interlink, isn't it? :)

The crueler among us would find some comment referring to 'inbreeding' of sorts... ... ;) :unsure:

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I think my favourites are:-

Blacovesley as it just is such a pretty little engine
Auld Reekie because it looks the business and has bags of history
Neptune and Triton
The older Severn Lamb Rios with the straight stack and tender - I think the later ones are just a wee bit too much of a characature of american engines


I am not sure I really hate any of the others sometimes the more tacky or outlandish the abonomation the more enchanting a locomotive becomes.

I am intrigued by what looked to be a tiny 15 inch gauge 0-6-0T I saw in a magazine from the 1970s (Railway Times?) built by a man called Taylor in the Birmingham area but I cant remember anymore about it. I think Dave Holroyde probably took the picture

Of course I may be wrong, does the name Pretender originate with the R&ER's Muir Hill tractor which recieved a steam outline body, a class 30 bogie as a trailing truck which was one of the mainstays of the railways services and exists today as Perkins?
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Ahhh - Perkins! That has to be up there in my "favourites" list.

It appears that (in proportion with the relative number of locos) there are more S/O locos in the larger gauges, but fewer in 10.25" or below. There are some quite diddly little S/O 5" gauge saddle tank ones from Ride-On-Railways. And very few in 7.25", certainly.
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20 May 2009, 03:18 PM
Of course I may be wrong, does the name Pretender originate with the R&ER's Muir Hill tractor which recieved a steam outline body, a class 30 bogie as a trailing truck which was one of the mainstays of the railways services and exists today as Perkins?
The Perkins was known as Pretender for quite a large number of years before its steam outline body was replaced, the nickname came of allegedly somebody overheard a small boy saying it was pretending to be a steam loco. As for other nicknames, my dad's always referred to it as Skitterbeck, supposedly a very minor tributary of one of the 3 ratty rivers
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Been a fan of the North Bay Pacifics for over 50 years now. Also some of the Severn Lamb (?) USA outline loco's look OK.
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Always been a fan of the Hudswell Clarke locos- they do look superb and indeed have a place in history, as does my other fave, Blacovesley.

Worst, well despite not having seen it that Southern Belle at Littlehampton looks rather vile!
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The Alan Keef 'Sweet Pea' at Hastings has recently been rebuilt with a few more curves and looks very nice.

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I really do like the north bay railway ones, auld rennkie from arbroath is also nice. Some of the older alan keef engines arent too bad. My favourite has to be the straight chimney rios, but also the RVR, nearest railway to me used to have a nice body on a bogie chassis! The body was very well done, but the chassis looked horrible. I really hate the roanoke 'box' at poole park.
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Derek, is 31 at Hastings back to being an 0-6-0DH , or still running as a 2-4-0DH ? Cheers , Dave Holroyde
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I quite like s/o locos, in a way they encapsulate what it is that makes the world of miniature railways so interesting. Even some of the ones that bear no relation to any steam engine I've ever seen can have a charm about them, especially the one-off, home-made sort as opposed to the commerically made kind. I agree, that contraption at Littlehampton is apalling though!

Got to say I'm not too keen on the Keef locos either - although, by all accounts, they're up to the job and look good enough. Perhaps it's just because they're getting a bit too ubiquitous? Just my personal preference.

Aesthetically, one of the cardinal sins of a s/o loco has to be the lack of connecting rods, or, even worse, running on bogies - that never looks right!

My favourites have got to be the Hudswells - they are close to being actual models of the full-size locos. Which raises an interesting point I reckon, regarding the blurred lines between 'model' and 'miniature' railways... in '00' gauge, electric power is obviously the norm. Even in the larger scales like G and SM32, even though live steam is commonplace, a 'steam outline' electric loco doesn't raise any eyebrows. So why is it different when the 'model' is in 15" gauge? I suppose the difference is that the vast majority ARE'NT built as 'models' of full size engines, but even so...
The Hudswells bizarrely remind me of old Triang 00 stuff, for some reason.

Also, since miniature/narrow gauge lines started utilising diesel/petrol power largely before BR did, most non-steam miniature locos built before the mid 1950s or there abouts seem to be S/O, what was the alternative if you still wanted visitors to relate to it in some way?

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