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| Topic Started: 29 Jun 2009, 11:59 AM (886 Views) | |
| Johnt5293 | 2 Jul 2009, 10:45 PM Post #16 |
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i may be wrong, infact i probably am, but i believe i was told once that the loco was based on a SAR 15F, with roller bearings, and would have been one of the most technologically advanced locos ever built... The story i was told, concluded that the ZB's were a lot cheaper... i wonder, with the mods done to the ZB's over the years, whether that design would have 'broken even' by now?.. hopefully DB can confirm/correct the story... John |
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| laalratty | 2 Jul 2009, 11:18 PM Post #17 |
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I have seen the logo, and it certainly looked an impresive beast, although I think that there would be unecessery power with it, it would just be wasteful on fuel on water for no real gain. Indeed I suppose in theory insted of buying the ZB's the Bure Valley could of bought a pair of "Northern Rock" clones off the ratty, they would of done the job needed at the time, although admitedly the excess power that the ZB's have is useful in the long term |
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| banksy | 3 Jul 2009, 08:28 AM Post #18 |
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I haven't drawn it yet but the best idea for a fictional loco came from my dad years ago when he first heard that frames HAD been made for a princess for the Romney. He always though had they survived it would have been great to modify them to create a 15" Turbomotive but using only a single turbine and using a gearbox for reverse. with him working in the turbine industry he even asked a few people to see if a turbine of that size would work efficiently for a loco. Now that would be a loco that was easy on the track with no hammer blow. |
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| MuzTrem | 3 Jul 2009, 05:02 PM Post #19 |
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Thanks for that...I had a feeling it might be a 15F, but that was mainly because that was the only South African 4-8-2 I could think of  As for the turbine loco, it might be kind to the track, but I expect it would require specialist skills to maintain, and great expense when parts needed replacing. But then, no steam loco is really cheap or easy to maintain in this day and age... If, on the other hand, you wanted to try a gas turbine, you could perhaps start by converting Golden Jubilee at Lakeside, which has often been likened to GT3. And if that works, who's up for a 15" gauge APT-E? 
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| banksy | 3 Jul 2009, 05:24 PM Post #20 |
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all steam locos require specialist skills to maintain them so the difference between a turbo loco and a reciprocating one is minimal. also with modern materials and only a single turbine not 2 it could be made very reliable you have to remember that the real turbomotive was very reliable is main problem was that they didnt keep spares for it in stock so it spent long periods waiting for bits, which if we are honest most locos do now |
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| steves100uk | 3 Jul 2009, 07:01 PM Post #21 |
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If this was to ever be done there would be very little to go wrong as you have to remember that a turbine is the most basic of engines as there is only 1 moving part. Steve Admin edit - sorted out quoting error... ... Dom Edited by glastonrail, 3 Jul 2009, 07:09 PM.
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| bvr379 | 3 Jul 2009, 08:18 PM Post #22 |
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If you go to: Early BVR Logo on Flickr There is a photo of a BVR logo on a door, that can be enlarged to see the loco in more detail. If you go to Flickr and search "Bure Valley Railway" there are pictures of the BVR, some of which go back to the early days., including views of "Count Louis" I'll see if I can find out any more about the proposed locos this weekend, but I think that quite a lot of info has been lost over time. Best wishes, |
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David Barnes Bure Valley Railway - The 15" gauge railway with powerful locomotives. Trains between Wroxham & Aylsham in Norfolk. Santa will be arriving soon, followed by Mince Pie Specials from 27 Dec 2009 until 3rd Jan 2010. For Bure Valley Railway info. see: BVR website, which includes timetables. | |
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| dereksmith | 6 Jul 2009, 03:57 PM Post #23 |
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The loco shown on the old BVR logo was a firm proposal. The initial plan was to use RH&DR locos until such times as finances became available to have the new loco built and delivered. I believe TMA were consulted (among others). It must be remembered that this was in the days of Hudson and Edwards (the original owners) who were financed by a much larger company with irons in many fires. Graham Fowler - the original General Manager was very keen to progress the build but unfortunately the parent company (RK International) went into receivership mainly due to the crash in the property market in 1989/90. This saw many of their assets including Pleasurewood Hills and the BVR being put up for sale. This more or less ended the project for the new loco, and the first ZB was ordered from Winson Engineering whilst the Hart family were in charge (following the rebuild of Wroxham Broad and some of the work undertaken on Sian to try to un-Americanise it). I believe completion of the second ZB was financed by Dennis Armstrong. I think it would have been a real triumph had the original proposed loco ever been built - and it would certainly have been a spectacular sight! |
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| bvr379 | 6 Jul 2009, 07:10 PM Post #24 |
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Thank you all for the above info. about both proposed and actual Bure Valley Railway locomotives. The key issue as to why the BVR went for the ZB class from Winson Engineering rather than the 15F was that the ZBs were about a third of the price. Even with hindsight and with a fairly good idea of the money spent on the ZBs to upgrade them, they were probably the “Best Buy”. Currently two of the ZBs are owned by the BVR and the remaining two by private individuals, but on long term leases to the BVR. A full size SAR 15/F may be seen working in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62dTW1cvLU Best wishes, |
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David Barnes Bure Valley Railway - The 15" gauge railway with powerful locomotives. Trains between Wroxham & Aylsham in Norfolk. Santa will be arriving soon, followed by Mince Pie Specials from 27 Dec 2009 until 3rd Jan 2010. For Bure Valley Railway info. see: BVR website, which includes timetables. | |
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