Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Miniature Railway World Forums, the leading miniature railway forums on the internet, with over 1400 members.

The forums are full of discussion ranging from current activities to historical research.

There is also member-only access to a trip-report, photos & videos section, sells/wanted rooms and the off topic discussion areas.

So why not join in? Registration is quick, easy, and of course free! If you have any trouble, email us at info@miniaturerailwayworld.co.uk

Click Here to Register at Miniature Railway World Forums

Please note, you must be registered and logged-in to access all the forums


Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Markeaton Lady [Merged]
Topic Started: 5 Jul 2009, 01:12 PM (1,489 Views)
timbgray64
Member Avatar
Driver
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
After seeing Black Thunder's status on facebook,


Quote:
Michael Castledine-Rogan Is well and truly upset. Markeaton Lady has been sold. Yes thats right folks she will not be returning to Markeaton Park under John Bull's ownership. She will however be returning under the ownership of Jim Shackell, but she will only be stored at the railway as a none runner :o(

care to elaborate any more?
Tim

www.youtube.com/timbgray64
www.flickr.com/photos/timbgray64/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ESR300
Member Avatar
Operations Manager
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
You beat me to it Tim :lol Yes folks Markeaton Lady has been sold to Jim & Helen Shackell. The plan is for Jim and his brother Geoff to bring Lady back to Markeaton on there trailers to save on transport costs. I can only assume they will stop off at either Evesham or Jim's workshop on the way to assess what work needs to be done. On arrival at Markeaton she will be rebuilt and put into store, although she will be rolled out of the shed and a bored put up explaining her future and where she will be running. Should the railway remain at Markeaton (to much to explain and nothing to do with this topic) she will return on the odd occasion to run at the railway but for most of the time she will be very much an Evesham based loco. I hope this helps clear things up a little.

Michael
http://www.youtube.com/Markeatonlord
http://www.markeaton-park-light-railway.webs.com
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
timbgray64
Member Avatar
Driver
[ *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Black Thunder
5 Jul 2009, 02:22 PM
You beat me to it Tim :lol Yes folks Markeaton Lady has been sold to Jim & Helen Shackell. The plan is for Jim and his brother Geoff to bring Lady back to Markeaton on there trailers to save on transport costs. I can only assume they will stop off at either Evesham or Jim's workshop on the way to assess what work needs to be done. On arrival at Markeaton she will be rebuilt and put into store, although she will be rolled out of the shed and a bored put up explaining her future and where she will be running. Should the railway remain at Markeaton (to much to explain and nothing to do with this topic) she will return on the odd occasion to run at the railway but for most of the time she will be very much an Evesham based loco. I hope this helps clear things up a little.

Michael
Michael, whilst you may be upset and or disapointed about the sale of Markeaton Lady, I'm sure that Jim & Helen will be ideal new owners, and any work required will be carried out to a very high standard, inline with the rest of the EVLR fleet
Tim

www.youtube.com/timbgray64
www.flickr.com/photos/timbgray64/
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ESR300
Member Avatar
Operations Manager
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
timbgray64
5 Jul 2009, 02:40 PM
Black Thunder
5 Jul 2009, 02:22 PM
You beat me to it Tim :lol Yes folks Markeaton Lady has been sold to Jim & Helen Shackell. The plan is for Jim and his brother Geoff to bring Lady back to Markeaton on there trailers to save on transport costs. I can only assume they will stop off at either Evesham or Jim's workshop on the way to assess what work needs to be done. On arrival at Markeaton she will be rebuilt and put into store, although she will be rolled out of the shed and a bored put up explaining her future and where she will be running. Should the railway remain at Markeaton (to much to explain and nothing to do with this topic) she will return on the odd occasion to run at the railway but for most of the time she will be very much an Evesham based loco. I hope this helps clear things up a little.

Michael
Michael, whilst you may be upset and or disapointed about the sale of Markeaton Lady, I'm sure that Jim & Helen will be ideal new owners, and any work required will be carried out to a very high standard, inline with the rest of the EVLR fleet
I wholeheartedly agree with you on that Tim. I've only met Jim & Helen once when they came to pick up the Morse petrol loco. Me and John took them for a spin round the line behind City of Derby, well i did with Jim on the diesel with me and John and Helen sat in the coaches. After discussing his plans for Dougal we spoke about one or two other items. I left the railway that day with impression that should i ever be in the vicinity of Evesham i would be made very welcome (the fact he said your more than welcome to come a spend the day influenced that :lol ). I will admit i would much rather have Jim rebuild Lady than Trevor having seen the work Jim & Helen have done. Anyway i will see a small part of his excellent work when he delivers Cromwell to Markeaton.

Michael
http://www.youtube.com/Markeatonlord
http://www.markeaton-park-light-railway.webs.com
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Laurence Smith
Member Avatar
A.K.A Cagneyboy
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
I have driven John, one of their locos based at Evesham, when it visited Rhyl and they did a fantastic job on it. Markeaton Lady is definatly in good hands.
A.K.A Cagneyboy the one and only!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
craiggluyas
Member Avatar
Director
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Well, it will be a happy ending for Markeaton Lady. Jim and Helen are some of the most commited people at restoring items I know and their line is one everyone (including me eventually) tries to emulate. Markeaton will be good for the line, possibly a little under powered compared to St Egwin but still useful. Is Cromwell changing ownership as part of the "deal"?
Am trying to wangle a visit to Evesham on the return from Eastleigh this coming Sunday!

Craig
Craig Gluyas

Talking to one's self is a sign of madness. I talk to my imaginary friend.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
mikado
No Avatar
Guard
[ *  *  * ]
HI Craig
Yes Cromwell is part of the deal hope to see you on Sunday as rostered on

Count Louis Support crew

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ESR300
Member Avatar
Operations Manager
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Hi Craig,

As Mikado says Cromwell is part of the deal. If you do manage to visit on the way back from Eastleigh could you grab some photos of it as i haven't seen any of the progress to date.

Cheers,
Michael
http://www.youtube.com/Markeatonlord
http://www.markeaton-park-light-railway.webs.com
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
mikado
No Avatar
Guard
[ *  *  * ]
HI Michael
Cromwell is not at EVLR it is of site i was only told about this on Friday

Count Louis Support crew

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ESR300
Member Avatar
Operations Manager
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
mikado
5 Jul 2009, 08:41 PM
HI Michael
Cromwell is not at EVLR it is of site i was only told about this on Friday
Oh fair enough :P I was going on the fact that Jim had told John that it was at Evesham. Plus i heard mention somewhere that the frames of Cromwell could be seen in the shed. Anyway i shall not cause an argument with someone who works at Evesham. I really must get down there one day. Especially when Markeaton Lady is rebuilt and running again :D
http://www.youtube.com/Markeatonlord
http://www.markeaton-park-light-railway.webs.com
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Andrew
Member Avatar
CME, Stackton Tressel Light Railway.
[ *  *  * ]
craiggluyas
5 Jul 2009, 08:14 PM
Markeaton Lady will be good for the line, possibly a little under powered compared to St Egwin but still useful.

I'm guessing by your comments that 'The Lady' has smaller cylinders than 'St Egwin'?
If the boiler is undersized then, as I believe it needs replacing, this issue could well be addressed by Jim & Helen Shackell.

I must agree with the sentiments expressed here, it must be far better to see 'The Lady' operational than rotting away in the back of a shed somewhere?
Andrew.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ESR300
Member Avatar
Operations Manager
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Andrew
8 Jul 2009, 02:16 PM
craiggluyas
5 Jul 2009, 08:14 PM
Markeaton Lady will be good for the line, possibly a little under powered compared to St Egwin but still useful.

I'm guessing by your comments that 'The Lady' has smaller cylinders than 'St Egwin'?
If the boiler is undersized then, as I believe it needs replacing, this issue could well be addressed by Jim & Helen Shackell.

I must agree with the sentiments expressed here, it must be far better to see 'The Lady' operational than rotting away in the back of a shed somewhere?
Andrew the boiler on Markeaton Lady was more than adequate for use at Markeaton as we just plodded along at a sedate 10 mph, thus we didn't need a large boiler. When she was built Trevor told us that she would quite happily pull eight of his standard Exmoor carriages. Although we only had three Exmoor's she did on one occasion pull all three Exmoor's fully laden our diesel City of Derby and the three ex-Fairbournes which were full as well. This was from a standing start up to just below line speed up a 1-in-60, which isn't bad really considering the total weight would have somewhere in the region of 27 tons.

//mod snip//

If Jim wishes to put a larger boiler on Lady then he certainly has the skills to do this, you've only got to look at Dougal. Hopefully Markeaton Lady will be arriving back at Markeaton in the next few weeks to be stored until space is available at Jim's home workshop, we will then get Jim's feelings on the state of the boiler.

Cheers,
Michael
http://www.youtube.com/Markeatonlord
http://www.markeaton-park-light-railway.webs.com
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
DevilDrummer
Member Avatar
Director
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Black Thunder
8 Jul 2009, 03:45 PM
Although we only had three Exmoor's she did on one occasion pull all three Exmoor's fully laden our diesel City of Derby and the three ex-Fairbournes which were full as well. This was from a standing start up to just below line speed up a 1-in-60, which isn't bad really considering the total weight would have somewhere in the region of 27 tons.
I can't see 27 tons being right for 2 mid sized loco's and 6 full coaches Michael...
"Humans are so smart, they dont even need a meteorite to destroy themselves, like the stupid dinosaurs did!"

http://devildrummertom.fotopic.net


NYMR Fireman - "More in the back end!"
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ESR300
Member Avatar
Operations Manager
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
DevilDrummer
8 Jul 2009, 06:21 PM
Black Thunder
8 Jul 2009, 03:45 PM
Although we only had three Exmoor's she did on one occasion pull all three Exmoor's fully laden our diesel City of Derby and the three ex-Fairbournes which were full as well. This was from a standing start up to just below line speed up a 1-in-60, which isn't bad really considering the total weight would have somewhere in the region of 27 tons.
I can't see 27 tons being right for 2 mid sized loco's and 6 full coaches Michael...
Rough guess Tom. Markeaton Lady weighed in at 5 tons fully laden with coal, both tanks full and about 27 gallons in the boiler. City of Derby is 2.5 ton so thats 7.5 ton there. Trevor reckons the Exmoor's weigh 2 ton a piece and will 'carry 2 ton of passengers' His words not mine. If thats right then theres 12 ton there making it 19.5 ton. Then theres the ex-Fairbournes which were estimated as weighing a ton each so thats an extra 3 ton making it 22.5 ton we reckon they can carry 1.5 ton's of passengers so thats an extra 4.5 ton there. So it comes to 27 ton in all. But as i say thats just a rough guess. Ill have to get the scales out :D
http://www.youtube.com/Markeatonlord
http://www.markeaton-park-light-railway.webs.com
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
craiggluyas
Member Avatar
Director
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
16 bums to the tonne is the rule Michael. So you can get 1 tonne of passengers per coach. There will not be much difference in weight between the Fairbournes and the Exmoors, which will be nearer 1.5 tonnes than 2. So a weight of 22 Tonnes is more accurate.

Incidently St Christopher took 13 coaches + diesel round WFR with no problems, including the 1:40 section. Video of that here. That train weighed about 26 tonnes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3K1L_V494c

The thing is this. If it was down to pure power it would all be easy. Yvette has smaller cylinders than a BL class 10, yet can (could) haul a 5 coach train easily. Add a bit of water in there to remove the grip, and you've had it. Boiler wise too, it depends 1) how hard ouy want to work and 2) how hard you want the boiler to work. The more you work the boiler, the less time it will last. If you are driving all day, every day, you do not want to be on a knife edge all the time. It gets tiring and spoils the enjoyment.

Evesham is a very tough line, with very sharp uphill on a 180 deg curve, and the long 1:60 all the way from Evesham Vale back to Twyford. Driving Red Dragon there with the Cagney and 3 coaches was fun to say the least, but hard work. Dougal was the same with its old boiler. It could do the job, but if you hadn't got everything right before the bank, it would come back to bite you.

I'm not saying Lady is not up to the job there, merely that it will not be as easy as St Egwin, which has larger cylinders and a much bigger boiler!

Craig Gluyas

Talking to one's self is a sign of madness. I talk to my imaginary friend.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · 15" + · Next Topic »
Add Reply