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North Bay
Topic Started: 10 May 2008, 06:53 PM (701 Views)
davidgwr	10 May 2008, 06:53 PM Post #1
Guard Posts: 124 Group: Member Member #725 Joined: May 7, 2008	Is there any possibility of a real steam loco being built for Scarborough's North Bay Railway or one of the extisting locos being converted (like the Bure Valley did with Tracey Jo) - I'm assuming there's no 20" gauge steam locos in the uk already.



DGH	10 May 2008, 08:38 PM Post #2
Operations Manager Posts: 727 Group: MRMT Trustees Member #30 Joined: August 23, 2006	davidgwr May 10 2008, 05:53 PM Is there any possibility of a real steam loco being built for Scarborough's North Bay Railway or one of the extisting locos being converted (like the Bure Valley did with Tracey Jo) - I'm assuming there's no 20" gauge steam locos in the uk already. We are in the process of sorting out how to fund a steam engine and what to build. Whilst you never say never, it is unlikely that any of the existing four will be converted to steam. Two reasons; with the intensive service that we are putting in place, we will need at least 3 loco's available at peak times and 1 spare. Also, the four main loco's are of historic significance in that they are the oldest (Neptune) 2nd (Robin Hood) 3rd (Triton) and 4th (Poseidon) oldest diesel hydraulic locomotives in the world and accordingly, I would not like to change that record. It could be done though. At present, we are planning a narrow gauge Bagnall - 'Sipat' class 0-4-0. The aim is to get 60= people to contribute Ł2.50 per week . Adding the tax back, we should be able to build it within 200 weeks - 4 years. It will be owned by the group outside my ownership, but the aim is for all who are involved with its construction to be able to train to drive her on an as and when basis. Mathematically, she should be able to pull 3 coaches and at 4' wide will fit down the track. Others have more grand idea's for a bigger locomotive, but the cost rises dramatically and it will either take more people or more time. The aim is that it is a loco built by Scarborough and District people for a local railway for the benefit of the general public at large. Let me know if you are coming to Scarborough at all and I will sort out the full 10 bob tour for you including a footplate ride or if you want to join in with the friends Group to build the engine, let me know. Same goes for anyone else interested in brining steam to the NBR. All the best David



DevilDrummer	10 May 2008, 09:40 PM Post #3
Director Posts: 2,055 Group: Member Member #300 Joined: November 2, 2007	Can i bring my 20" gauge black 5 David?? :lol: :lol: :lol:
	"Humans are so smart, they dont even need a meteorite to destroy themselves, like the stupid dinosaurs did!" http://devildrummertom.fotopic.net


Nick Tozer	11 May 2008, 11:24 PM Post #4
Chief Engineer Posts: 363 Group: Member Member #88 Joined: January 30, 2007	I'm really glad that you aren't intending to rebuild any of the existing Hudswell-Clarke engines ... tad concerned that your never-say-never might apply though To liken the action to that of the BVR is to miss several very big points, one of which has been dealt with by DGH already, including the fact that it was the intention when Tracy-Jo was built that she would be able to become a true steamer at some point. If you want to see live-steam miniature Gresley locomotives go to the RHDR which has been running them for eighty years! Part of the joy of the NBR, PBR, Golden Acre and Butlins locos is that they aren't actually steam ... I can't really explain why that is because I love steam locos and their sounds/smells etc. As for the plan to build a NG steam loco ... sorry it doesn't tick any boxes for me at all ... there are a number of places where I can ride behind similar size NG engines but the places where I can ride behind large scale miniature locos are few and far between. Now if you were to suggest building a 20" Baltic along the lines of Robin Hood then I would happily sign-up to send my Ł10.00/month Nick PS Is my favourite loco back in service yet? I have been holding off on a visit so as to hopefully catch her in service.



steves100uk	12 May 2008, 11:09 AM Post #5
Director Posts: 1,566 Group: Member Member #22 Joined: August 18, 2006	Nick You are right in what you say about Tracy-Jo as she had proper cylinders and a set of frames for a steam loco when built. At Cleethorpes we looked at getting our old Flying Scotsman now at Saltburn converted in to a steam loco and it was more or less a no starter as the frames where not right to do this. That is why we ended up with the set of frames that are standing in the workshop.



rough-shunter	12 May 2008, 12:39 PM Post #6
Director Posts: 1,737 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #121 Joined: April 27, 2007	steam on the nbr what about a dewinton as its easy to sort and you could make it look like a y7 tram from the lner
	JORDAN ASHLEY LEEDS Trains go into tunnels and come out but locos can go in sheds and never come out


steves100uk	12 May 2008, 02:02 PM Post #7
Director Posts: 1,566 Group: Member Member #22 Joined: August 18, 2006	I would think it would be to tall



Ben	12 May 2008, 03:09 PM Post #8
Big Railway Guard Posts: 484 Group: Moderators Member #451 Joined: January 24, 2008	Couldnt a loco be regagued to suit the line?
	Ben Thornhill NYMR Guard & Locomotive Cleaner CCLR Steam & Diesel Driver + Guard/Control CCLR & SMR Webmaster MRW Moderator http://www.suttonminiaturerailway.co.uk http://www.cleethorpescoastlightrailway.co.uk http://nymr.fpic.co.uk


rough-shunter	12 May 2008, 03:51 PM Post #9
Director Posts: 1,737 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #121 Joined: April 27, 2007	kerr Stuart Wren?
	JORDAN ASHLEY LEEDS Trains go into tunnels and come out but locos can go in sheds and never come out


MuzTrem	12 May 2008, 05:31 PM Post #10
Operations Manager Posts: 920 Group: Friends of MRMT Member #65 Joined: December 5, 2006	I don't think you could really regauge a Wren down, if that's what you mean - it would probably be too big! The only locos I can think of that might be suitible for regaguing are: 1. The 18" gauge Curwen atlantic Crompton, which I suspect might be a bit underpowered, and 2. The Crewe/Horwich works shunters Pet and Wren, which the NRM would probably never agree to being modified! But since David Humphries knows the line better than anyone else on this forum, surely its probably best to go along with his suggestion? I agree with Nick, though, that I would not want to see any of the current locos converted, especially not Neptune and Triton. I have fond memories of those two from my childhood, and I wouldn't want to see them butchered into something they never were. As has been said, they are historic engines in their own right - converting them to steam power would be akin to converting the Romney pacifics into diesels! And in any case, though I'm not an expert engineer, the general proportions of the locos suggest to me that any conversion would be over-boilered and under-cylindered. A brand new engine is the only way to go!



Ben	12 May 2008, 06:18 PM Post #11
Big Railway Guard Posts: 484 Group: Moderators Member #451 Joined: January 24, 2008	MuzTrem May 12 2008, 04:31 PM 1. The 18" gauge Curwen atlantic Crompton, which I suspect might be a bit underpowered Crompton is currently in the Cleethorpes Queue, awaiting regaguing to 15" and restoration, it will be a while before this happens though I suspect!
	Ben Thornhill NYMR Guard & Locomotive Cleaner CCLR Steam & Diesel Driver + Guard/Control CCLR & SMR Webmaster MRW Moderator http://www.suttonminiaturerailway.co.uk http://www.cleethorpescoastlightrailway.co.uk http://nymr.fpic.co.uk


DGH	12 May 2008, 07:19 PM Post #12
Operations Manager Posts: 727 Group: MRMT Trustees Member #30 Joined: August 23, 2006	MuzTrem May 12 2008, 04:31 PM A brand new engine is the only way to go! Would not pick an argument with that comment. Also, agree with Nick that they have their own individuality and at 75 years + are doing the job for which they were built. As diesels, they are an important part of the development of railway's and as I said before, Neptune is the oldest diesel hydraulic locomotive in the world. Robin Hood's wheels are still in Grimsby, but hopefully, member Johnt5293 will get the profiling complete in the next few weeks. When they get back, hopefully a weekend of putting them back in should see the engine out on the line for the summer. Will keep you updated on progress. David



Johnt5293	12 May 2008, 07:39 PM Post #13
Cleaner Posts: 155 Group: Member Member #50 Joined: October 18, 2006	David, Sorry to be keeping you waiting... i've had almost 3 weeks off work, with the new arrival an that, but my next job IS DEFINATELY the wheelsets... so hopefully, provided all goes well they will be with you next week at the latest. John
	John Tasker http://www.freewebs.com/railwayprojects/index.htm


DGH	12 May 2008, 07:42 PM Post #14
Operations Manager Posts: 727 Group: MRMT Trustees Member #30 Joined: August 23, 2006	Johnt5293 May 12 2008, 06:39 PM David, Sorry to be keeping you waiting... i've had almost 3 weeks off work, with the new arrival an that, but my next job IS DEFINATELY the wheelsets... so hopefully, provided all goes well they will be with you next week at the latest. John Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you!



DGH	20 Sep 2008, 10:59 PM Post #15
Operations Manager Posts: 727 Group: MRMT Trustees Member #30 Joined: August 23, 2006	Today, Robin Hood ran its first day in service with the new tyres turned by John Tasker (Johnt5293) No problems encountered. Whilst she was in bits various other tasks have been completed such as new spring hanger links made. If any one wants to see her first hand, send me an e-mail as to when you are coming and I will make sure she is the rostered engine that day. David


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