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| PASSED: Rail Network Motion; Private member Guillotine motion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 19 2007, 08:14 PM (290 Views) | |
| HRH King Zog II | Oct 19 2007, 08:14 PM Post #1 |
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I move that the Rail network bill not be voted on during this session of parliament |
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| HRH King Zog II | Oct 19 2007, 08:16 PM Post #2 |
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Whoops A slight mistake there This is meant to be a private member guillotine motion If someone could fix that please? |
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| plqx | Oct 20 2007, 07:48 PM Post #3 |
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The question is that the Rail Network bill be guillotined. As many who are of that opinion say aye, Aye! To the contrary no, No! Division! |
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| plqx | Oct 21 2007, 06:56 PM Post #4 |
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The result of the vote is as follows: Ayes to the right: 7 Nos to the left: 0 The bill will thus be guillotined |
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| Admin | Oct 22 2007, 11:08 AM Post #5 |
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Aha! Gotcha!!! *evil laugh* ![]() Any motion moved by a member of the government is a government motion, whether they want it to be or not. As such, this was in fact a government motion and not a private motion, and therefore in the eyes of the public, the government has silenced a minority in parliament. As such, trust in the government can only decrease. Eyaahahahaaaa!!! *grabs broomstick and flies off to the admin cp* |
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| Pokemaniac John | Oct 22 2007, 11:11 AM Post #6 |
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I object to that. In Democratia, government members had the ability to privatise bills, and nowhere has it been specifically stated that they cannot do this to bills and motions now. If you are going to do something like that, you should at least give us fair warning.
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| Admin | Oct 22 2007, 11:16 AM Post #7 |
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Bills still can have their status chosen by the author: however, this has never been the case with motions. Besides, I could argue that trust in the government could be damaged as HRH's attempts to distance the government from this motion can be seen as a cover up.
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| Pokemaniac John | Oct 22 2007, 11:21 AM Post #8 |
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But you aren't. Take a quick look at this:
5% is hardly "slight". Also, my original argument still stands. People are obviously going to assume that motions can be privatised unless you clearly state otherwise. And where better to do so than the Motions Guide, the place people look to learn about motions?
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| Admin | Oct 22 2007, 11:25 AM Post #9 |
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Sorry, but your agument is flawed. Let's take a look at a bigger extract of the Motions Guide:
2% for proposing it, and 3% for passing it.
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| Pokemaniac John | Oct 22 2007, 11:27 AM Post #10 |
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Looking at either extract, you should see that it is the popularity that falls, not trust. ![]() EDIT: And my first argument still stands.
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| miniyoda008 | Oct 22 2007, 11:38 AM Post #11 |
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And surely the effect on popularity should be lessened, as the Bill has already been shown to not have any support, so the guillotine motion merely prevents you from wasting time by moving it multiple times. |
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| Pokemaniac John | Oct 22 2007, 11:39 AM Post #12 |
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And using that logic you could even go so far as to say the popularity should increase! |
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| Admin | Oct 22 2007, 07:01 PM Post #13 |
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Sorry, that was a typo. It was written from when there was just 1 government opinion poll. |
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