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DEFEATED: Education for Kinesthetic Learners Bill
Topic Started: May 22 2008, 05:14 PM (515 Views)
Lewis
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I move that the Education for Kinesthetic Learners Bill be passed into law.
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Sheepling
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The question is as in the motion.

As many who are of that opinion say aye,
Aye!
To the contrary no,
No!

Division!
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HRH King Zog II
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Aye
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Lewis
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Aye
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Commoncold0
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14 is too early to classify children as either blue collar or white collar, for want of better terms. Don't forget, at 14 parents have a much greater influence over their child's decision making than at 16, for example. I fear that this bill will see children from working class families being forced into vocational education even if they have academic ability, and vice versa for children from middle class families. In my opinion, this bill could be severely detrimental to social mobility.

No!
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Lewis
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14 is a fine age. If you wanted all of this debated then why didn't you debate this earlier?

Why should someone who wants to pursue a career in a certain area have to wait 2 years and study academical subjects when they wish to do something else? We are wanting to support those who don't want to be accountants and making way for people who can be the best engineers in the world because the education system fits them, we'll be helping the economy with this, we'll be helping reduce crime and increase GDP, why not pass this?

It's the pupil's choice, not the school's, if a working class child wants to get an academical degree then they can. We are trying to support those who don't want that.
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Commoncold0
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I would have debated this earlier, but I was too busy screaming down the government's educational proposals, which would have been utterly disasterous.


My objection to 14 is twofold:
1. Firstly, it is too early for people to make such a defining decision about their future career. When I was 14, I was shunning the humanities and seriously considering a career in science or engineering. If I had made a decision then, I would probably have dropped history - yet because I took the decision later, I now find myself expecting to do history at university next year. I think students need to be given more time.
2. At 14, parents have far too much influence over their child's decision. As I said, there is a risk that parents who work in carpentry for example might pressure their children into following suit, even if they're academically gifted and useless with a saw. Likewise, parents who work in the financial services industry would probably try to dissuade their children from becoming plumbers. I honestly think that this proposal would bring back class divisions in this country.


I wouldn't worry about this bill getting defeated though. The fact that I'm, voting against it means that the Boo Party will almost certainly vote for it just to spite me. -_-
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master dingley
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CCO puts forward very strong poitns so I think I'll go with him for this one :P

No!

Also, I instanly thought this said "Education for Kinneas", poor Dale having pity taken upon hm by a fake country :P
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sqeak
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No

The government should test them to see what they would be best at, around the age of 15. Then be put into education for the job they would be best at. If they get to choose we'll end up with everyone in easy jobs, and no one doing important things.
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Commoncold0
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sqeak
May 25 2008, 01:49 PM
The government should test them to see what they would be best at, around the age of 15. Then be put into education for the job they would be best at. If they get to choose we'll end up with everyone in easy jobs, and no one doing important things.

You can't be serious?
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sqeak
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Commoncold0
May 25 2008, 01:12 PM
sqeak
May 25 2008, 01:49 PM
The government should test them to see what they would be best at, around the age of 15. Then be put into education for the job they would be best at. If they get to choose we'll end up with everyone in easy jobs, and no one doing important things.

You can't be serious?

I can be serious.
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Commoncold0
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sqeak
May 25 2008, 02:20 PM
Commoncold0
May 25 2008, 01:12 PM
sqeak
May 25 2008, 01:49 PM
The government should test them to see what they would be best at, around the age of 15. Then be put into education for the job they would be best at. If they get to choose we'll end up with everyone in easy jobs, and no one doing important things.

You can't be serious?

I can be serious.

Then you're effectively advocating slavery. -_-
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eriatarka1
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No!

What CC0 said. This isn't a party line so much as a common-sense division.

More to the point, apprenticeships at 16 do a good enough job anyway.

EDIT: Also, to your point: "Why should someone who wants to pursue a career in a certain area have to wait 2 years and study academical subjects when they wish to do something else?" I give the answer that they don't have to study, as you so lucidly put it, "academical" subjects. They can easily study less academic subjects, and frequently do.

Also, everybody in this country should have a sufficient grasp of English, Mathematics and Science; possibly rather literacy and numeracy (separate ideas, if you wish me to expand and expound then just ask). This is because at very least literacy and numeracy are required for being financially secure and able to properly and successfully communicate with others.
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Lewis
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The thing is that the system that was proposed was very flexible and allowed people to move back into mainstream education if they so wished. To suggest that this bill would not allow people to change their mind would be not to interpret it properly.

And again. if you had told me that earlier then I might have been able to change it to make it more suitable <_<

also, the government tests is not something I'm going to compromise on.
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We can come up with further and more suitable arrangements afterwards, and I for one would support that.
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