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Pink and Purple Push!
Topic Started: Jul 31 2008, 09:12 PM (806 Views)
Lewis
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Cieran
Aug 15 2008, 05:48 PM
They're not. Everyone has pretty much gone wishy-washy Liberal in the middle...

Oh great... I can't stand wishy-washy liberal.

and generally there are different unions for each sector of industry. If there is only one union then I'm worried about the amount of industry in Ostentia.
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Commoncold0
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Lewis
Aug 15 2008, 06:54 PM
Cieran
Aug 15 2008, 05:48 PM
They're not. Everyone has pretty much gone wishy-washy Liberal in the middle...

Oh great... I can't stand wishy-washy liberal.

and generally there are different unions for each sector of industry. If there is only one union then I'm worried about the amount of industry in Ostentia.

He's warmongering. The union he refers to is a global superpower called the Union of Corporate Capitalist Republics (which oddly enough we still don't have a factfile about).
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eriatarka1
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Heh - everybody is Centrist all of a sudden and you can't stand it.

That's quite a good one really, people criticising people for being "too moderate".

Next thing you know, Switzerland will be set upon for being "too much of a pacifist state", The Beatles for being "just plain too good as a popular beat combo" and the blue ball on a snooker table for being "just too centrally aligned".

QED.
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I really should pay more attention also XD

I went and got a job you see, so I get home late, eat, then sleep at the comp screen, then sleep in bed.
Curing comp sleeping I can just about muster enough energy to check the item list game, then its back to sleeping again XD
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Lewis
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I'm not saying I can't stand centrism. I used to be centrist myself. I just kind of grew out of the idea of trying to fit several completely contrasting ideologies together. I don't ever say an ideology is wrong, I just say I disagree with it.

I'm not going to bother retorting your "Switzerland is too pacifist" as it really doesn't have much to do with anything.
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I demand a statement of the Party's position on the War question!
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Hmmm... centrism is a funny thing. You assume it's acceptable to everyone, but people can have quite strong feelings about centrist ideologies.

For example, I support Liberal Democracy and have respect for Social Democracy, but I cannot stand Liberal Social Democracy (the territory the Labour and the Lib Dems constantly fight over).
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Lewis
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I don't have any position on the war as I do not know enough on the situation to have a sensible stance.


Personally I view myself as a Democratic Socialist, but I spend a lot of time thinking and writing things down. So I've not really been so much into the whole thinking what is the best ideology, rather I've thought which is most like my own. My own ideology is different to Democratic Socialism, but Democratic Socialism is the nearest thing to it.

I've read a lot of far left books to understand what the left is as it's the one wing a lot of our culture is biased against.
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Commoncold0
Aug 15 2008, 06:49 PM
Lewis
Aug 15 2008, 06:43 PM
Why is everything so right wing? What happened of the good old days when that was all cast away as "Evil capitalism"?

Everything so right wing? Last time I checked left outnumbered right on this forum by at least 5 to 1. :blink:

The left is still overburdened, I must wait to get in power
The left is still overburdened, why do my policies look the exact same as everybody else's?


Actually you know what, that doesn't rhyme and doesn't fit the rhythm at all, so please ignore that vague reference to a song you've probably never heard.
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Aug 15 2008, 08:40 PM
Hmmm... centrism is a funny thing. You assume it's acceptable to everyone, but people can have quite strong feelings about centrist ideologies.

For example, I support Liberal Democracy and have respect for Social Democracy, but I cannot stand Liberal Social Democracy (the territory the Labour and the Lib Dems constantly fight over).

There's a difference between Centrism (one of Liberal OR Social Democracy) and trying to appease everybody with a complete lack of opinion.

Or at least that's the way my reading of the word always went.

And Lewis: your last sentence rings true with me, considering my background (affluent parents but I haven't actually SEEN much of the money, they plan a long way in advance - they're paying me through Uni - so I feel still aeons from upper class [and yes, class systems do still exist, even if only in broad terms, where finance separates Upper from Middle, and political/entertainment/education barriers Middle from Lower]) in comparison with many people at my (former) school who are:

1) economically right-wing in that they best protect their financial security, and

2) libertarian in that their moralistic sense is a personal hodiernic hedonism disguised as Unitarianism or moral relativity, yet authoritarian almost to the point of fascism about people whose opinions they perceive as being badly- or un-informed.

They are the sort of people who could redress the left-wing bias on this forum if it was not for the fact that you wouldn't want them to.

EDIT: well, I knew the reference (not that I couldn't have guessed by your username in any case.)
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I agree. The one phrase that I have grown to despise is: "Communism doesn't work". I tend to reply to this statement as "Would you please tell me the points in which it fail, give me a full analysis of why it does not function and then give me a system which you have created which works perfectly. You absolute Dobber".

the great shame of me wanting to go into politics is I've found that most of the parties speak a lot of mince and if I were to enter I'd only have a few intellectuals that can be bothered reading my stuff who would vote for me. That's why i started my own country...
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The implimentation of communism doesnt work.
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As I've said on many occasions, Communism doesn't work because it requires everyone to want it to work, which will never happen.
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Communism hasn't worked in all the places it's been tried. That doesn't mean it doesn't work full stop. But there have been three main communist powers in the world. Cuba, The USSR and Warsaw Pact (including those as one) and China. Three is not nearly enough to make a reasoned judgement, for one thing they're all dictatorships, which are NOT in line with communist thinking.

As for my beliefs, if I write them down they effectively peg me straight in the anarcho-communist area. However I don't think we're ready for that yet. I think we need a slow progression to the left over time, as people come to realise that humans are social beings. I would like to think that will happen, but I don't know if it ever will. And what happens when it reaches the end? Everyone is a communist, there's no difference of expression. It's like Huxley's Brave New World. It's a perfect world where everyone is happy and everything is perfect, but it's just...boring, uniform. Do we really want that? Does life have a meaning?...
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Aug 15 2008, 10:49 PM
As I've said on many occasions, Communism doesn't work because it requires everyone to want it to work, which will never happen.

Unless you make them.
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