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PASSED: Declaration of International Neutrality; Private Member Legistlation Motion
Topic Started: Sep 7 2008, 08:51 PM (1,266 Views)
Cieran
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I didn't even see it. I just look at the latest replies, unless something particularly interesting seems to have been going on.

I don't see why it leaves Autocratia in a stronger position. The same outcome is achieved. If this bill had always been the case it would have been achieved faster with little of the dallying or problems caused by what actually happened. Not condemning is not the same as not supporting. Even an idiot can see that. And don't use QED. Makes you look pretentious and stuck-up...
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master dingley
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Why doesn't someone make an amendment motion limiting the powers of this bill?
As in listing further circumstances when the neutrality may be broken and so forth.
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master dingley
Oct 19 2008, 08:45 AM
Why doesn't someone make an amendment motion limiting the powers of this bill?

Because anyone would sooner repeal the bill outright or wouldn't support said ammendment, or can't think of anything...

Why don't you come up with an ammendment?
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master dingley
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Surerly there must be some middle ground that everyone would agree on?

And I won't make it as I've not payed too much attention to the bill and so if I had made it, it would fail miserably b not taking any points into account. An amendment would be much better suited to someone who has taken part in this discussion from the start :P
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Cieran
Oct 19 2008, 01:45 AM
Not condemning is not the same as not supporting. Even an idiot can see that. And don't use QED. Makes you look pretentious and stuck-up...

Dear sir, right honourable gentleman, you are quite clearly multifacetedly incorrect.

Or at very least utterly irrelevant.

Could you please write in a less highfalutin, rhetorical style - by which I mean in a clearer and less ambigyouus fashion - what you meant by the first phrase below, because the internal logic is correct, but in context is wildly bizarre. I'm sure and trust in your utter knowledge and command over English vocabulary, and I trust deeply that mea culpa est, but could you still right that (preferably using the terms neutrality, condemnation, and support)?

And as far as a claim to pretension goes - I am not making an outward display of ideas above my station, as I am a Latin scholar. I use Latin. I am perfectly entitled to use it as and when I wish without others coursing back to namecalling.

Furthermore, and you probably didn't realise this, I was carefully and mindfully utilising the duel style, schema and form of both a governmental bill in the context of Mock Parliament and a logical proof in the form of words, as well as I can remember how they go.

The QED at the end was therefore justified and will forever be so.

And don't use the ellipsis. It makes you appear not in full control of your lexico-grammatical functions...

EDIT was for clarity.
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Cieran
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Thankyou for completely sidestepping the point :)...
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How can we go into any deep relations with countries if this bill forces us to abandon them in case of trouble?

We talk with the world but that it all it will be. Talk.
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Cieran
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Isn't that better than fighting and death?...
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Cieran
Oct 19 2008, 08:31 PM
Isn't that better than fighting and death?...

Being un-neutral does not commit us to fighting
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Cieran
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How then do you expect us to solve things? You can talk or you can fight. That's the only way you're going to resolve conflicts...
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Cieran
Oct 19 2008, 09:20 PM
How then do you expect us to solve things? You can talk or you can fight. That's the only way you're going to resolve conflicts...

By having the option to fight the talk becomes more powerful
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The ability to declare war was already very restricted by the constitution: requiring a two thirds majority to happen. This bill adds an entirely pointless layer of bureaucracy, which wastes time if war is deemed desirable.
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War, despite all its horrors, is sometimes the lesser of two evils.
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Cieran
Oct 19 2008, 07:34 PM
Thankyou for completely sidestepping the point :)...

Let me try this one again.

I can't work out what on earth you meant by your statement, the key integral one with which I know I disagree.

Please rewrite it instead of coming off with a smug "na na not listening" just because it took it upon myself to feel a need to defend my use of English. Never question my use of English. It is correct. I would have hoped that you would have noticed this by now.

And as an overall judgement of the bill, and therefore hopefully the last thing I have to do about this most horrific of bills:

Neutrality! Huh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Cieran
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I fail to see how I could make it any clearer. YOUR post I pretty much just skipped through. Actual reading would lead to the RAAAAGE face...

EDIT: Why am I the only one defending this anyway? It's not even my bill...
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