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New Super Mario Bros Wii
Topic Started: Oct 20 2009, 11:21 AM (219 Views)
alxbly	Oct 20 2009, 11:21 AM Post #1
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	PAL release = red box = cool. Me likey. So.... who's getting it?
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macN64	Oct 20 2009, 02:50 PM Post #2
Infrequent Poster Posts: 371 Group: Member Member #57 Joined: January 28, 2007	The box reminds me of lego. That's cool. I'll probably get it at some point. I'm not dying to play it though.



Mop_it_up	Oct 20 2009, 05:29 PM Post #3
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	Another post you stole from me! Get out of my head! Day one purchase. Gonna go down to the store right when it opens and mug the guy who bought the first copy, because it's rightfully mine. Something tells me YOU'RE not going to get the game alxbly, seeing your distaste for both 2D games and colourful art styles. Mix 'em together and here we have your worst nightmare. That red box is pretty ugly so I hope it doesn't look like that here...
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Oct 21 2009, 01:43 PM Post #4
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Mop_it_up Oct 20 2009, 05:29 PM Something tells me YOU'RE not going to get the game alxbly, seeing your distaste for both 2D games and colourful art styles. Not got a problem with either, as you well know, Moppy Mop. Maybe you're confused because the only games you buy are ones with Mario in them? Anyway, Gametrailers have a great preview: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/preview-new-super/57913 Looks like I'm also getting on release.
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Mop_it_up	Oct 21 2009, 06:13 PM Post #5
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	DON'T GO THERE! I haven't seen any of the trailers or previews. I'm already buying it anyway so there's no real point in learning about it before hand. Do you know anyone who will co-op with you? I doubt I could get four people together so I'll probably just see two-player action. My sister doesn't like difficult games so if the difficulty has been ramped up like people have stated then she may not be into it. I've no idea if my brother would try it or not, he hasn't really played a game on any other system after getting an XBox 360. I have a friend who liked Super Mario Galaxy but has never played any of the 2D Mario games so I'm not sure what she'd think of this.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Oct 22 2009, 12:08 PM Post #6
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Mop_it_up Oct 21 2009, 06:13 PM Do you know anyone who will co-op with you? Yeah, no doubt I'll get to see it in action when I have some friends round. I suspect most of the time it'll either be just me or Mrs Alxbly and I that will play it. I hope the single player isn't a poor version of the co-op game.
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floorcat	Oct 23 2009, 11:15 AM Post #7
Nintendo sixty-floorcat :P Posts: 2,646 Group: Admin Member #10 Joined: May 11, 2006	This I pre-ordered a few months back. Should be good fun alxbly Oct 22 2009, 12:08 PM Mop_it_up Oct 21 2009, 06:13 PM Do you know anyone who will co-op with you? Yeah, no doubt I'll get to see it in action when I have some friends round. I suspect most of the time it'll either be just me or Mrs Alxbly and I that will play it. I hope the single player isn't a poor version of the co-op game. No online co-op?? That's okay... "open-minded" gamers have LittleBigPlanet.
	(SNES-owning, sane) alxbly R.I.P.


alxbly	Oct 23 2009, 03:56 PM Post #8
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	What gives with the Wii-angst, floorcat?
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Mop_it_up	Oct 23 2009, 06:18 PM Post #9
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	Seriously Floorcat, leave the trolling to the experts such as myself. Speaking of, here's my prediction for IGN's review: 5.0 Presentation The use of classic Mario standbys �- the pipes, Yoshi, coins, etc. -- make this feel like an actual NES game. Pause menu could be a bit better, the corners look so jagged on my 100" HDTV. Everything looks fine otherwise. 6.5 Graphics Characters look great, but the blocks always looks flat, blocky, and awful. Everything moves fluidly, but some of the models look so last-gen and non-HD. The colors are too bright. 7.9 Sound The "oofs" and "umphs" get annoying after awhile. I can't believe it's 2009 and we're still reading text instead of hiring voiceactorsimmerisionHDstereoPS3360 8.8 Gameplay This is the system that has worked well for years on the NES, and the new powerups and cooperation keep things fresh. The gameplay is kind of stale though. 9.7 Lasting Appeal Co-op in a Mario game is a dream come true and the game is a blast even in one-player mode, but I still wish I could play online. 7.0 OVERALL
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Oct 23 2009, 09:21 PM Post #10
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Predicting how "misunderstood" this game will be? Whatever happens with the review there's gonna be: from both sides. Choose you sides now and we'll have a poll on it! OPTION 1 - How come it didn't get scored highly enough? OPTION 2 - How come this got scored higher than Halo/Uncharted/Super Mario Galaxy, etc, etc, etc. OPTION 3 - No time to talk, I'm on the last part of this level... Option 3 for me, thanks.
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Applepieman	Oct 25 2009, 04:18 PM Post #11
Honorable Member Posts: 1,070 Group: Member Member #83 Joined: June 3, 2007	Defiantly gonna pick this up when I can, U.S. boxart is red as well.



Mop_it_up	Oct 26 2009, 08:20 PM Post #12
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	alxbly Oct 23 2009, 09:21 PM Predicting how "misunderstood" this game will be? I don't know if I'd call it being misunderstood. More like being treated unfairly by self-righteous "hardcore" gamer "journalists" who don't want to share their hobby with anyone. But there's nothing else to do whilst waiting for this game so we might as well predict the scathing prejudice the game is sure to receive. In fact, it's starting already. Quote: News; New Super Mario Bros. Wii just 6 Hours Long Those hoping for a 100 hour epic may now go and cry. The upcoming classic side-scrolling style new super mario bros. wii is nintendo's biggest mario game this year. so you'd think it was filled with hours and hours of gameplay? apparently not, according to the UK's Official Nintendo Magazine. When answering reader questions on the title, they remarked that while great fun their reviwer was able to "blitz through it" in six hours. Granted this is without going back to collect all star coins, which require multiple play-throughs to complete. First of all, who expects a side-scroller to be 100 hours long? That's practically impossible and would probably get very tedious very quickly. And if you're "blitzing" through the game then you're doing it wrong anyway. Save the speed runs for your next time through. The first time around you're supposed to take your time to enjoy the sights and explore for secrets, then you can go for the fast times or high scores. And let's not forget the co-op mode, which I'm sure will change up your approach to completing each level.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Oct 26 2009, 08:36 PM Post #13
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Mop_it_up Oct 26 2009, 08:20 PM More like being treated unfairly by self-righteous "hardcore" gamer "journalists" who don't want to share their hobby with anyone. Mop_it_up But there's nothing else to do whilst waiting for this game... Another area where we're gonna disagree!
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Mop_it_up	Oct 26 2009, 08:44 PM Post #14
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	Misunderstanding something and not liking something are two different things. Okay, so there's plenty else to do. But when it's a game like this that I'm anticipating but don't want to read anything about it or watch any videos, the only fun thing left to do with it is create mock reviews. Just you wait, I'm cooking up another. I didn't even mention complaints about the very presence of the Super Guide feature in that last one, I don't know how I could forget about that.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


dataDyne	Oct 29 2009, 11:00 PM Post #15
You don't stand a chance Posts: 3,867 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: April 13, 2006	New preview! I haven't been this excited about a Mario game since SM64. I need this game now!
	Give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day. But hit a man with a brick, and you can have all his fish. And his wife.


dataDyne	Nov 13 2009, 03:45 PM Post #16
You don't stand a chance Posts: 3,867 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: April 13, 2006	IUP gives New Super Mario Bros Wii an A+, citing it as a 'world class platformer'.
	Give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day. But hit a man with a brick, and you can have all his fish. And his wife.


Mop_it_up	Nov 13 2009, 03:50 PM Post #17
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	IGN fails This user's comment sums up the review: Quote: Though I agree that there should've been online multiplayer and saveable run-throughs, the fact that those are the harshest criticisms of the game is what tells me that this will be an absolute blast to play. The multiplayer could've been flawed. The motion controls could've been annoying. The graphics or sound effects could've been dated or grating to the senses. The fact that Harris is this nit-picky about the game shows what a quality title this is. Despite the minor flaws, I can't wait to get this game and invite some other old-school Mario players over to enjoy the pure awesomeness of a new Mario game. Anyone who expected this game to have online play must be disappointed a LOT.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


dataDyne	Nov 13 2009, 04:30 PM Post #18
You don't stand a chance Posts: 3,867 Group: Admin Member #4 Joined: April 13, 2006	I can't believe some people even considered that this game would have online play. That literally makes zero sense.
	Give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day. But hit a man with a brick, and you can have all his fish. And his wife.


alxbly	Nov 14 2009, 11:40 AM Post #19
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	dataDyne Nov 13 2009, 04:30 PM I can't believe some people even considered that this game would have online play. Why not? It's a four player co-op game, why wouldn't they try some kind of online element? The stuff the reviewer bring up is totally understandable; four player online co-op would rule, as would being able to share videos of your best/most unusual/funniest run through. As far as I can tell, the only reason to not expect online is if you know and accept Nintendo's non-existant or half-arsed attempts at online integration. Mop_it_up IGN fails I really don't see what's so bad about the review? The game got a 8.9/10 (a very respectable score), the review is really positive on every element expect that online has been completely ignored. The reviewers comments seem extremely reasonable to me. But if the reviewer says the game could have been better then the review "fails"? Maybe I should ignore the very positive comments throughout the review? IGN reviewers opening line so you know he hates Wii New Super Mario Bros. Wii is a great game, no question. This fresh platformer brings back all the gameplay elements that made the series such a noteworthy and inspiring franchise. And even though the series has made the successful leap from side-scroller to 3D platformer, the original formula still works extremely well today. New Super Mario Bros. Wii continues to prove that fact. IGN reviewer who must really hate Wii games boo hoo I really, really like New Super Mario Bros. Wii. I have no qualms with saying this is a far better game than the Nintendo DS version, and it could easily be the finest Super Mario Bros. 2D platformer Nintendo's ever created. You should absolutely get a copy, no question. IGN Wii hater gives totally unfair score 7.5 - Presentation Nintendo gives us the status quo here, not going above and beyond in features. 7.5 - Graphics Very modest visuals: 3D characters, 2D backgrounds, with the occasional lighting effect. 8.0 - Sound The Mario soundtrack has some great old favorites and some fun new ditties. 9.5 - Gameplay Brilliant 2D platforming and challenges makes this the best of the 2D Mario best. 9.0 - Lasting Appeal The multiplayer aspect makes this a game you'll come back to again and again. 8.9 -Great OVERALL (out of 10 / not an average) But, of course, he totally misunderstood how a Nintendo game should be... because the press are so mean to the Wii. Gotta have something for the Wii Crying Squad, I suppose.
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Mop_it_up	Nov 14 2009, 01:34 PM Post #20
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	alxbly Nov 14 2009, 11:40 AM As far as I can tell, the only reason to not expect online is if you know and accept Nintendo's non-existant or half-arsed attempts at online integration. Miyamoto expressed that he explored the possibility of online play and came to the conclusion that it simply wouldn't work. Without getting into how the game would be structured (which world would you start on? What happens when a player drops out? How could you save your progress? etc), this game is far too complex to function online. Every player and every action needs to be perfectly synced up at all times, and if there is any lag whatsoever in anyone's connection, everyone would experience slowdown. And lots of it. Have any of you played Super Smash Brothers Brawl? It would be laggy like that, only at least four times worse. The only reason why games like Mario Kart can function online is because each player does not need to be perfectly synced up, so you don't really notice the lag if you aren't paying attention. The game tracks the position of where each player is on the course, and will "guess" their position based on their last known velocity and direction of travel. Sometimes you'll notice that a player will fall off a cliff, but then appear right in front of you as if nothing happened. Sometimes people will drive right through items and obstacles without hitting them. That was them lagging. Items are the same way. Red shells take a few seconds prior to contact. Bananas may not be exactly where you set them from someone else's perspective. One shell can hit two players if they're close enough. Animal Crossing also works similarly. New Super Mario Brothers Wii can't work this way. All players need to be perfectly synced in time with enemies, moving obstacles, and items like coins. Otherwise, two players could defeat the same enemy, grab the same powerup, or other such double-up effects. Also, a lagging player could inadvertently knock another player off of a cliff, or otherwise interfere with them. Since the game is a side-scroller, the environments are ever-changing, which would cause even more problems. A game like this requires too much data to be sent and received all in tandem with no hiccups in order to work. This game should NOT be faulted because it doesn't include a feature which would in no way change the gameplay and would absolutely not work. Quote: I really don't see what's so bad about the review? The game got a 8.9/10 (a very respectable score), the review is really positive on every element expect that online has been completely ignored. The failure is in the score. The reviewer claimed it to be the best 2D Mario game ever, yet he gave a 9.5 to New Super Mario Brothers on DS. That makes no sense. At most, the lack of online should account for a loss of .2 points. Flip the 8.9 around and you get 9.8, a score which the game should have gotten based on the review text.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Nov 14 2009, 05:14 PM Post #21
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Mop_it_up Nov 14 2009, 01:34 PM this game is far too complex to function online. The Conduit and Mario Kart Wii can have 12 players online but Nintendo culdn't get this to work with even two players? or ? I'm not sure which. Maybe both. To me, it sounds like it's not a 9.8 because it hasn't pushed the Wii and there's some obvious stuff that's not been included... because it's far too complex... yeah. Anyway, it still looks like a great game so I'd rather not quibble about the score until I've actually played it.
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Mop_it_up	Nov 14 2009, 06:23 PM Post #22
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	Alxbly, did you even read my explanation? The Conduit and Mario Kart Wii are entirely different games. The only data that's transferred over the Internet is position data. Those games have only the players to keep track of, and in Mario Kart's case, the items. Therefore they don't need to be perfectly synced. NSMBWii has the players, Yoshis, coins, powerups, enemies, and more along constantly scrolling stages, so the position data needed to interact is greater than that of any other online game on Wii. You haven't played Super Smash Brothers Brawl online. That is a game which tries to sync up all players, and it doesn't work well. Even with 2 players, that game lags. And New Super Mario Brothers Wii has far more objects to keep track of. Miyamoto said it couldn't be done. No offense, but I'm willing to take his word over anyone on the Internet.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Nov 14 2009, 07:47 PM Post #23
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	I read your reply but I don't automatically believe everything I read on the internet either. Is that your own assumption of why online wouldn't work? Or did Miyamoto explain why the game couldn't work online? I guess it doesn't matter; Miyamoto ultimately has a product to sell and would be very unlikely to say "Yeah, we could have done online multi if we had more time but since there's f*** all else being put out by Nintendo on the Wii this Xmas except Wii Fit Plus, we needed this game to appease the core gamer". Or simply "sorry, we couldn't be bothered because we expect it to sell millions regardless". Floorcat already mentioned LittleBigPlanet, which is, of course, a beautiful platformer with a very good 4 player online co-op (the very same feature that the reviewer of New Super Mario Bros Wii touched upon). So it's not as if this is some crazy stuff that no-one has seen or expects. I know, it's not fair to compare the Wii with anything that puts it at a disadvantage...
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Mop_it_up	Nov 14 2009, 08:34 PM Post #24
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	alxbly Nov 14 2009, 07:47 PM Is that your own assumption of why online wouldn't work? That is how it was explained to me by people who are more tech-savvy than I, and my experience with the online games on the Wii (which is a pretty good number of them) matches up with what they are talking about. The online mode in Super Smash Brothers Brawl shows me that this type of game doesn't work very well on Wii. Quote: I guess it doesn't matter; Miyamoto ultimately has a product to sell and would be very unlikely to say "Yeah, we could have done online multi if we had more time It's possible, but Miyamoto has admitted before that he wasn't able to add some of the things he wanted in his games, such as two more dungeons for Zelda Wind Waker. He's usually pretty open because he is a designer, not a PR man. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a PR man to pull his strings, but personally I don't think so. Quote: I know, it's not fair to compare the Wii with anything that puts it at a disadvantage... I have never said that, but I do think that, in the case of reviews, a Wii-exclusive game should be compared to what the Wii is capable of, as well as other Wii games. Nothing more, nothing less. We both know that the technical disparity between the Wii and the PS3 is vast. The Wii doesn't have the processing power to handle online games without taking a hit in other areas; just look at the graphics of Mario Kart Wii, the game doesn't even look on par with Mario Kart Double Dash!!. So, it doesn't matter if it can be done on any other system, because the Wii can't do it. Therefore the game should not be docked points for a fault that lies with the system, not the game itself. You may disagree with me on this, and I can understand that. You own multiple systems and therefore want to compare games across all three. And that is something that consumers themselves should do, not reviewers (unless it is a multi-platform game).
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


Mop_it_up	Nov 15 2009, 11:09 PM Post #25
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	This. Game. Is. Awesome. After I bought this I took it straight to my brother's place. He has just recently downloaded Super Mario Brothers 3 on the Virtual Console so I told him about this game and he seemed interested. We played it for four hours straight and completed the first three worlds. The co-op works better than I thought it might, though we still had to be mindful not to get in each other's way. But hey, that's part of the fun. There were a couple vertical scrolling parts that were difficult because we had to stay together. My biggest complaint is that the game comes in a red case. I can't wait to try out four players. I'm going to try to organize that next weekend.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Nov 20 2009, 10:30 AM Post #26
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Single player is okay. I played this this afternoon (on my own) and there's not been much challenge yet (although I have heard that it gets FAR more difficult as you progress... looking forward to that). Multi will be more fun, of course... Going on the basis of what I've seen so far, I still don't believe that this absolutely couldn't work online with another player. Maybe four players would be too much but I really don't buy that it's "too complex" for two.
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Retro Junkie	Nov 20 2009, 01:52 PM Post #27
Member Posts: 47 Group: Member Member #236 Joined: October 1, 2009	I just saw a commercial on this last night. I don't have a Wii, but it made me want one. Maybe next year? Seems like multiplayer would be a blast. I'm thinking about getting my family involved in something like this.



Mop_it_up	Nov 20 2009, 03:01 PM Post #28
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	alxbly Nov 20 2009, 10:30 AM (although I have heard that it gets FAR more difficult as you progress... looking forward to that). I don't know if I would say FAR more difficult, but it definitely does get more tricky as you go. However, I still have three more worlds to get through so I haven't seen everything yet. How far along are you? Quote: Going on the basis of what I've seen so far, I still don't believe that this absolutely couldn't work online with another player. Maybe four players would be too much but I really don't buy that it's "too complex" for two. I'm not a computer programmer so I can't say for sure. Using Smash Brothers Brawl as an example again, even with 2-players that game has input lag at the very least. In a Mario platformer, tricky jumps would be very frustrating with button lag.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


alxbly	Nov 20 2009, 06:04 PM Post #29
Alxblymus Primus Posts: 8,722 Group: Admin Member #168 Joined: October 18, 2008	Mop_it_up Nov 20 2009, 03:01 PM How far along are you? Only on the third level so far. To be honest, I was waiting for Mrs Alxbly to play with me because I think this will be far more fun in multi.
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Mop_it_up	Nov 20 2009, 08:28 PM Post #30
Dark Birdo Posts: 5,142 Group: Admin Member #24 Joined: August 8, 2006	I think it's still very good in single player but it definitely shines in multiplayer. I was hoping to gather together a 4-player session this weekend but it looks like that isn't going to happen. However, you may want to go it alone if you go back to collect all of the star coins because it is easier to get them by yourself.
	===MISQUOTE OF THE MONTH=== ""I vomited eleven times today, what's your excuse?" -dataDyne


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