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Bin Laden Dead
Topic Started: May 2 2011, 06:04 AM (461 Views)
Matt
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Yesterday (May 1st) Obama annouced that a "Small team of americans" acting under his orders managed to kill Bin Laden in a covert op in Pakistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676
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Mk II
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Despite repeated claims by Repuglicans like Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin that national security is not in safe hands when the Democratic Party is in control, it is worth noting that President Obama took only two years to finish the job that was so badly bungled by George W Bush and his incompetent flunkies like Donald Rumsfeld.

Well done America! Let's hope this begins to bring a sense of justice and closure to all those that were affected by the terrible events on 9/11.



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Matt
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Just have to hope that theres no attacks because of it.
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Grizzmeister
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May 2 2011, 08:34 AM
Well done America! Let's hope this begins to bring a sense of justice and closure to all those that were affected by the terrible events on 9/11.



Amen!
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

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Meptrep
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Even though Bin Laden is dead, Al Queda still exists, and as that article suggests, we will probably get attacked by Al Queda since they want to avenge his death. Hopefully that won't happen though.
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Mk II
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well, its not that AQ hasnt been trying to do that already. But they are not supervillains and dont have superpowers. They can and have been thwarted. That they managed to pull off 9/11 is still somewhat of a mystery to me. I'm not that afraid of them. And the death of OBL will hurt them badly both in financial support and recruiting power. I reckon this is the beginning of the end for AQ.

On the other hand, the great strategic thinker, expert on the Middle East and international terrorism George W. Bush said on 03/13/2002:
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." :facepalm:

Edited by Mk II, May 2 2011, 03:44 PM.
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Matt
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May 2 2011, 03:39 PM
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." :facepalm:

Exactly, I don't see how that many people can badmouth obama now =\
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Its party time. :dance:
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The results of this case will tell us if the United States has really moved beyond the brazen trampling of the US Constitution that was instigated under the nefarious Bush/Chaney administration.

U.S. v. Whistleblower Tom Drake

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

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Update: Suddenly the US government seems interested in working out a deal with Mr. Tom Drake. :o

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Ex-NSA manager has reportedly twice rejected plea bargains in Espionage Act case
By Ellen Nakashima, Thursday, June 9, 11:00 AM

Thomas A. Drake, the former National Security Agency manager who is facing trial on Espionage Act charges in what appears to be a greatly weakened government case, has refused twice to accept the government's offers of a plea bargain, according to people following the case.

Drake, 54, on Wednesday morning rejected prosecutors' offers to plead guilty to a misdemeanor with no jail time - just a few days before the trial is set to begin Monday. He turned down another offer late Wednesday night, according to people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the case.

That prosecutors were willing to let him plead to a misdemeanor reflects the weakness of their case, which has in the past week been significantly weakened, experts say.

Drake has repeatedly told friends that he will never "plea bargain with the truth."

Drake turned down a deal to plead guilty to unauthorized retention of classified documents. It was a deal similar to the one accepted in 2005 plea by former national security adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger after he removed and shredded classified material relating to the Clinton administration's record on terrorism from the National Archives.

"Why should you plead to something you didn't do?" said Bill Binney, a friend and former colleague who, with Drake, tried to raise concerns about what they saw NSA corruption and constitutional violations. "That's the whole point. People of character don't do that."

Prosecutors informed U.S. District Judge Richard Bennett this week that they would withhold documents they had planned to introduce as evidence to keep from disclosing sensitive technology. Drake is charged with unlawfully retaining classified information at a time when he was in touch with a Baltimore Sun reporter who later chronicled mismanagement at the agency.

The government has used the 1917 Espionage Act, which has been criticized as vague and overbroad, to charge Drake, one of five such cases against alleged leakers under the Obama administration. Drake is not accused of spying, but the law's provisions criminalize the unauthorized retention of classified material. The trial is set to begin Monday.

The government's decision to withhold certain documents might complicate prosecutors' efforts to prove a violation of the act, suggesting that the government might have overreached in using an espionage law to target a suspected leaker.

"By withdrawing several of the exhibits, at least a couple of the counts against Drake will almost certainly need to be dismissed," said Steven Aftergood, a national security expert with the Federation of American Scientists who has followed the case closely since Drake was indicted last year. "It changes the whole dynamic of the prosecution and may even set the stage for settlement or dismissal."

Aftergood added, "What's striking is that the government now seems more eager to reach some kind of resolution... It seems like right now the prosecutors are doing more pleading than Mr. Drake is."


My opinion is that this case should be dismissed. Sadly, Mr. Drake will never be able to regain what he lost by doing his patriotic duty as a citizen and exposing flagrant; fraud, waste and abuse by the NSA. The whole thing is sad and represents a dark time in our history which we'll only move beyond when more Americans open their eyes and get involved. God bless The United States of America and may God continue to bless the courageous Mr. Drake and those who have fought so diligently for his freedom.

Source.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer

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