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| Cabanon | Feb 16 2012, 11:30 AM Post #31 |
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my ps3 has BC compatibility, i just bought it at the right time and cheap. its true that the one-pass thing is bullshit, this is what gonna kill used video games sales and also video games shôp. you wont see used stuff anymore if they all go this way. or else they,re gonna need to pay it next to pennies to resell it for full price minus the one-pass price (aka 10$). i'll take NFS hot pursuit as an example, new 39.99$ used with no code 34.99$. there,s now ay they can sell it used at this price. it needs to be 24.99 so the gamer who buy it pays less than a new copy. of course not everyone go online, so not everyone need to buy the online code. |
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| The Red Shadow | Feb 16 2012, 01:55 PM Post #32 |
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I currently have no interest in the next generation of consoles since the rumors have been swirling that there will be no used game compatibility. I've already lost interest in the current gen, for the most part, due to multiplayer and online being the major focus. I have a few select single player games on my radar but otherwise I'm going with older games, and physical copies, too, as my purchases should prove. I don't even care all that much about being able to download classics. I know that eventually I won't be able to find old consoles that will still work but I will enjoy what I have for as long as possible. |
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| Alice Lawless | Feb 16 2012, 04:15 PM Post #33 |
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^ This. Every little bit of it. This is exactly what I've been preaching. I also hate how everyone is suddenly saying that used game sales are the devil or whatnot. Games have been sold and resold since the very beginning. It's only now that developers see how much more money they can make by ripping us off that they're saying it's the worst thing in the world. What I really hate is how they release unfinished games and later on add DLC (or sometimes release it at launch, which is the worst insult imaginable) that should've been included in the first place. Last gen, DLC was free for the most part- and it was always added long after the game came out. None of it was on-disc content, and it was always there to lengthen the lifetime of the game. Nowadays they can easily get away with this crap. Think back to a game like Vice City. Imagine if the second island was there, but you couldn't access it without the DLC. Imagine if half the cars were preorder bonuses that would later become DLC. Imagine if all of the side mission has to be bought as extras. Back then, they would play test the s*** out of the game before releasing it. Now, they don't have to. A majority of the people buying the games now have an internet connection and an online subscription to that system's server. They can release an untested game and use us as the beta testers and release a patch (if they feel like it, that is). Last gen and earlier, you couldn't do that. So they would beta test it, possibly even wait six months to a year, and then finally release it. And if there still were problems, an updated disc would be sold in place of the older ones (again, Vice City had to do this because of the tear gas weapon, the Lionel Richie song on Flash FM, the "Kill all the Hatians" line, the permeable wall by Bunch Of Tools, and the poor controls on the mini RC helicopter). There are much more games released today that people say are buggy and unplayable without a patch. The people defending today's games will always say that this generation, patches can be distributed, whilst last gen they couldn't. The proper counter argument would be that last gen, you didn't need to distribute patches because the game was always released when it was finished. |
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| zar | Feb 16 2012, 05:18 PM Post #34 |
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*Sigh*... I hate this DLC, digital distribution, and no used game crap. I don't have the money to buy all my games new; 95% of my games I buy used. And I don't like digital distribution, I know I'm not alone that when I buy things I like to have something tangible. Its all about the money, and digital distribution costs them very little. Now that its so easy, it won't go away unless we either get lets of people to buycott it or jk Edited by zar, Feb 16 2012, 05:33 PM.
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| Alice Lawless | Feb 16 2012, 06:03 PM Post #35 |
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A big problem with digital distribution is that it won't cut down the price of the game. They won't have to lower their prices at all if there's no more physical copies being sold. That's because you'll only have one place to go in order to purchase your games. You won't have see them lowering their prices because there's no more competition. It'll become a monopoly in the gaming industry. If you take away used games, you're stuck with your purchase because you can't return it, seeing as how the rumor states that the next generation of consoles will not be able to play used copies. So that basically says that the game you are buying can never be returned. Not just that, but you can't borrow a friend's game or take yours to a friend's house. And if your console has to be exchanged, you're near screwed. And on top of all that, this will put the rental services out of business. Now if they make it all digital only, again, no need for a price drop ever. Look at some of the crap on the Xbox Live Marketplace that was there since 2006. Only a few things have dropped their prices permanently. But it's not just about price drops. What happens when they delist games? They're pretty much gone for good. Or when the service shuts down once the newer consoles come out? All of those games are history. Same goes if your console breaks down after the company stops fixing them for you. So basically, collectors are kind of screwed (going on a major tangent here, but what kind of collector wants digital copies? You can't display them on your shelf for all to see). Games won't be able to ever turn up on eBay, Craig's List, in pawn shops, at flea markets. But let's go back a bit here. Ever notice how the instruction manuals are getting skimped out over the years? First they start getting thinner, then they become mostly black and white, then they become a single sheet of paper, and now it's all digital. This, along with the pieces of plastic missing from both sides of the case, should affect the overall price of the final product since the companies do these procedures to save on the cost of production. But I have never seen this money saving tactic ever affect the final product's price. Now if they go digital, there's no cost for producing the product. It should be much, much cheaper, but it isn't. Currently, the Games On Demand on Xbox Live are often more expensive then the physical copy. I don't see how any of this can make sense to someone in support of going digital. |
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| The Red Shadow | Feb 16 2012, 08:13 PM Post #36 |
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The industry is slowly evolving with each generation into something I don't really like. It isn't much different than the way the sports card collecting industry changed in the 90s and 00s. Something fun and innocent for the kids that changed into something greedy and corrupt for adults. I really want to hit rewind for awhile.
Edited by The Red Shadow, Feb 16 2012, 08:13 PM.
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| Matt | Feb 16 2012, 08:41 PM Post #37 |
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Seriously this, I have a VERY large steam collection (over 300 games) and why? Because they understand Digital Distribution pricing, I've bought games like Sonic Generations (A full £40 console game) for £6.74 in a sale, Fallout 3's game of the year edition for £3.74, Every SINGLE game that Valve have ever made for £25 (Including all the half lifes, counter strikes, heh, when I bought it it even included Portal 2 which was still going for £40) This is an example of digitial distribution done right, Even when SEGA made the digital version of Sonic Generations £20 instead of £40 was a perfect example. Also, http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5083/article/bethesda-knew-skyrim-ps3-owners-would-experience-bad-memory-issues/ This is the whole thing about game developers just throwing out broken games. Edited by Matt, Feb 16 2012, 09:04 PM.
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| TNT737373 | Feb 16 2012, 09:51 PM Post #38 |
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Yes, the "industry" side is poking it's head out from behind the curtain more and more. Video games should always still focus on the fun factor, this goes with the physical appearance of the product you purchase also. Not at any moment should you feel as though they cut corners, the initial purchase is substantial to the overall experience. And going back to using Vice City as an example in cutting down the impact of such final release, there's no way Rockstar Games would ever skimp out on their goodies! They're infamous for their goodies! 
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| The Red Shadow | Feb 17 2012, 09:24 PM Post #39 |
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A killer for me, and another perfect example of the parallels between gaming and sports card collecting, is how many systems you can choose from these days. Baseball cards used to come from 3 or 4 companies but nowadays there are many more, and each company puts out several lines of cards. Remember when you had NES or Sega Master System? SNES or Genesis? Even N64, PlayStation and Saturn wasn't too bad. Today you can walk into a store and choose from at least three different DS handhelds, the 3DS, the PSP, PS Vita (well, next week), Xbox 360, PS3, PS2 and the Wii. What is up with that? It has gotten so out of hand! And I'm not even counting tablets and phones. The industry is out of whack, if you ask me. |
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| Alice Lawless | Feb 17 2012, 10:41 PM Post #40 |
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The "Used Game Sales Car Argument Theory" states that the longer a debate about used games lasts, there will inevitably be someone who compares the industry to used cars. Calling this now. |
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| Ganondorf | Feb 18 2012, 02:19 AM Post #41 |
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i dont know what you expect when you play these games online, for some one who has had past experience online you only ever get spawn trapped if your really bad and if so then use tactical incursions or play SnD. As for the people that play every hour of every day i don't see how that should affect you and most of these people will play game modes like demolition. Most of all i hate it when people complain about the weapon someone uses, if its a good weapon why wouldn't you use it and theres nothing stop you from using the same weapon. |
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| macN64 | Feb 18 2012, 02:25 PM Post #42 |
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There's so much truth in this topic. It's reassuring to see everyone reaching similar conclusions. I'm not mad after all.  I think history will judge the previous generation of consoles (PS2, Gamecube etc) far less harshly than a lot of people did at the time. At least you will still be able to buy those games 5 years from now.  I'm not sure I see dedicated game consoles lasting much longer. I reckon "entertainment hubs" will replace them. Stream movies, music, surf the net etc. Oh, and it can play games too. We're already more than halfway there, I'd say. I recall playing Keystone Kapers via Activision Anthology, while my brother, sitting next to me, gunned down hordes of people on Call of Duty. It was quite startling to think the company that made the game I was playing would go on to make the game he was playing. How times change...  Far more recently, I passed a Toys "R" Us store, the same one my first Nintendo 64 came from ( ). I wondered, if they stocked games consoles back then, surely they must still stock them now, seeing how much the industry has grown? If so, what games would they stock? How many of the current top selling games would kids even be allowed to play? I'm fine with adult orientated games being made, but it shouldn't be at the expense of the kids. Won't somebody please think of the children!? |
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| The Red Shadow | Feb 18 2012, 05:58 PM Post #43 |
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That's why, for better or for worse, I don't think I'll ever grow up (on the inside). 
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