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RUMBLE PAK MOD; Look Ma, No Batteries!!!
Topic Started: Jul 20 2012, 11:08 AM (7,485 Views)
bluedogrulez
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It is possible to mod your N64 rumble pak to work without batteries. But first, a disclaimer:

I claim ZERO credit for this. Grizzmeister originally posted this video (in the N64 Collection discussion), and one of our resident modder extraordinaires, Clarky, confirmed it works. Clarky explained the positive wire that runs from the N64 to the controller is 3.3v, is an adequate replacement for the 3.0v the 2 AAA batteries would otherwise provide.

Here is the video of the mod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEn6LT4DUNA&feature=player_embedded
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willis82
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This mod came from kiosks. Nintendo actually did this to kiosk rumble packs so shop owners wouldn't have to change batteries. They even went so far as to glue the battery doors shut. It's ok to run a rumble pack this way but never run 4 controllers with 4 modified packs, it draws too many amps through the ports and the system can't handle it. The kiosks came with disclaimers warning what would happen if you ran more than two modified packs on one system.
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After watching the video I modded one of my Rumble Paks and it works like a charm. In fact, I removed the resistor completely and just used a piece of wire between the two connection points with no ill effects to either my N64 or controller.

I use this Rumble Pak just about every time I play F-Zero X as the rumble feature adds so much to that particular game. Interestingly enough, although the Wii Virtual Console version of F-Zero X supports improved 480p graphics- even when playing with the GameCube controller it still doesn't provide a rumble feature. It's for this reason and some slight tearing on the VC version that I consider the N64 cartridge iteration of F-Zero X to be the definitive example of this awesome game.
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I finally got around to modding an OEM Rumble Pak to work without batteries.

I attempted to desolder the resistor, which proved difficult for my limited skills. So I cut it off, and opted for the Grizzmeister method of using a wire instead to make the new connection:

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Note: The large silver dots are where the resistor was.

Here's shot of the other side of the board to give you a better idea where the new wire is soldered (under the second small "n" in Nintendo and atop "D2":

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RESULT: It works! Without the resistor, it actually shakes more, or at least with least gradual modulation. I may attempt to integrate the removed resistor to alter the functionality to be idenitcal to its pre-mod days. Still pretty cool having a light-weight OEM rumble pak . . . now if I can creatively mark it so I don't keep getting it mixed up with my others. . . . :)
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Nice job! :yeah: The controller feels so much better being lighter doesn't it!?

It's also good to see you getting more involved in modding bluedogrulez. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you dare to mod next. Once you mod, you just can't stop :lol:
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@Clarky: Ha! Thanks, man. Was just posting my other little project from last night. Think my hair might still smell a bit of singed wire and plastic, lol.

I've got a way bigger idea that is far beyond my capacity but the rusty gears are turning nevertheless.
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UPDATE: The "no-bat" pak works GREAT now after two adjustments. I soldered the resistor to the wire installed yesterday and placed PACKING PEANUTS where the batteries would go (to absorb misdirected vibrations). I actualy think the latter was the more critic step.
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bluedogrulez
Aug 15 2012, 08:39 PM
UPDATE: The "no-bat" pak works GREAT now after two adjustments. I soldered the resistor to the wire installed yesterday and placed PACKING PEANUTS where the batteries would go (to absorb misdirected vibrations). I actualy think the latter was the more critic step.
Current would bypass the resistor so the packing peanuts probably made the bigger difference. I'll have to give that a try myself.

The Rumble Pak mod is really worthwhile as it lessens the weight of the unit which in my humble opinion is/was its greatest shortcoming.
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retrogamecraze
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I'm definitely going to try this mod. Right now I only have an aftermarket rumble pak. Gonna get an OEM one then give it a shot.
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bluedogrulez
Jul 20 2012, 11:08 AM
It is possible to mod your N64 rumble pak to work without batteries. But first, a disclaimer:

I claim ZERO credit for this. Grizzmeister originally posted this video (in the N64 Collection discussion), and one of our resident modder extraordinaires, Clarky, confirmed it works. Clarky explained the positive wire that runs from the N64 to the controller is 3.3v, is an adequate replacement for the 3.0v the 2 AAA batteries would otherwise provide.

Here is the video of the mod:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEn6LT4DUNA&feature=player_embedded
sweet dude im going to try this tonight
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I brought a rumble pack from Ebay, when it turned up it had batteries had leaked inside. Swapping the batteries out didnt fix it so maybe this mod will.

Can someone confirm that i will need a GAMEBIT 3.8mm?
thanks
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Aug 15 2012, 08:39 PM
UPDATE: The "no-bat" pak works GREAT now after two adjustments. I soldered the resistor to the wire installed yesterday and placed PACKING PEANUTS where the batteries would go (to absorb misdirected vibrations). I actualy think the latter was the more critic step.
Also did the mod, it feels like the vibration is better now, or i just used almost empty batteries :P

For the misdirected vibrations i simply removed the metal plate that connects the batteries.

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The vibration will be better as you're now feeding 3.3v to the rumble motor instead of 1.5v x 2 = 3v you get from AAA batteries.
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Sep 12 2012, 12:47 PM
I brought a rumble pack from Ebay, when it turned up it had batteries had leaked inside. Swapping the batteries out didnt fix it so maybe this mod will.

Can someone confirm that i will need a GAMEBIT 3.8mm?
thanks
This was also my motivation for modifying a Rumble Pak. The acid from the batteries had damaged the unit so I felt I had nothing to lose by performing the mod. Lo and behold the Rumble Pak worked brilliantly afterwards.

The gamebit necessary to open the Rumble Pak is indeed the same one used to open N64 cartridges 3.8mm.
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Thanks Grizz, I will order one and try my luck :yeah:
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You can also try to melt a big pen with a lighter, then quickly put the pen on the screw.
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Sep 14 2012, 02:08 PM
You can also try to melt a big pen with a lighter, then quickly put the pen on the screw.
Some people use this technique for opening the console.

Edited by Grizzmeister, Sep 14 2012, 09:19 PM.
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SO i finally ordered a game bit and openned up my rumble pack to find this

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To me the board looks really corroded, is it worth trying this mod? All the writting has come off the board too
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This one looks broken, you can try it but i don't think it will work.
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Wash the board in warm soapy water and leave it to dry in the airing cupboard for a couple of weeks. It should work with the rumble pak mod.

The plastic pen method does work, but only on consoles as the rumble pak gamebit screws are too small and recessed.
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Are there any guides for someone who has never used a soldering iron before or any tips on using a soldering iron? I'm gonna try and attempt this at the weekend >_<
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The best tip I can give you is to use additional solder flux and a very hot iron and only touch the thing you want to solder for 1-2 seconds. It makes soldering super easy.
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Are there any guides for someone who has never used a soldering iron before or any tips on using a soldering iron? I'm gonna try and attempt this at the weekend >_<
There are a lot of good videos showing how to properly solder and desolder on Youtube. I suggest watching those before attempting this mod on an official Nintendo Rumble Pak.
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Sep 14 2012, 02:08 PM
You can also try to melt a big pen with a lighter, then quickly put the pen on the screw.
I tried doing this but I couldnt get it to work. After melting a handful of pens I gave up and ordered the gamebit haha
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Aug 16 2012, 05:16 PM
I'm definitely going to try this mod. Right now I only have an aftermarket rumble pak. Gonna get an OEM one then give it a shot.
The mod works on third-party rumble/tremor packs as well. That's all I had when I heard about the mod; I decided to open it up and see if I could make enough sense to adapt the mod. I think I found some schematics someone posted that corresponded with my tremor pack which saved some time. If you have the same tremor pack as me or have some electronics experience, it is easy enough to adapt the mod; you just have to find the +3.3v rail received from the controller and wire it to the positive battery lead. Here is the topic I posted about it:

http://forums.benheck.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=41022

I actually did the mod on a tremor pack where a battery began to corrode; from what I remember, it wouldn't work with fresh batteries even after I cleaned it. After the mod, it works without the weight! I agree that the reduced weight is probably the biggest plus.

As you may read in responses from the benheck community, 1, maybe 2, rumble packs without batteries should be okay - if you know more about electronics/care enough about the added (electric) noise, you can add the components recommended in the last post.
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Aug 15 2012, 08:39 PM
UPDATE: The "no-bat" pak works GREAT now after two adjustments. I soldered the resistor to the wire installed yesterday and placed PACKING PEANUTS where the batteries would go (to absorb misdirected vibrations). I actualy think the latter was the more critic step.
Got an solder unit yesterday and after some training I will try my luck at a rumble pak. So excited :toad:

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Sorry, I have never heard of packing peanuts before. Do you mean something like this?

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Exactly! Finally, a post shipping use for those little buggers, right?
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:w00t: It works. I soldered like a noob but you really can't do anything wrong doing the mod :) The first thing I've soldered. What a great feeling :mario:

Are there maybe other easy mods on this level that you know about?
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Congrats, Heinrold! It is a great feeling when a soldering project works!

The only thing I've done along these lines with an N64 is to swap C-Up and C-R functions. Why? If you have a game where you want to tilt your vehicle left or right (read: Star Wars E1 Racer), its so much better if C-L and C-Up used. There a thread in the Modding section on this.

Of course, if you want to be really bold, you could solder in a LodgeNet thumbstick to you N64 controller board . . . . you now have the skill to do so :yeah:
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Thank you for your suggestion. At the moment, my free time is gone again but when I get bored somewhen I will watch how it works to change the LodgeNet Stick.
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