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S-VIDEO & PAL
Topic Started: Aug 7 2012, 02:45 AM (6,544 Views)
buddy1983
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Hi

Does anyone know if a S-video cable works for pal N64's. i have read that the picture is too bright on pals and there is a work around but not too sure about it.

If anyone knows anything that would be great, would really like to improve the picture on my HDTV as its really bad at the moment.
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No, it doesnt. the N64 doesnt produce a S-Video signal.
Using a different cable does not magically alter the signal it carrries (alas!)

AFAIK some early NTSC consoles can be modded to support RGB output but that's it.
We're stuck with composite video


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Shame, thanks anayway
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It's a crying shame isn't it? When older consoles like the Sega Master System can do S-video!
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Even worse that the USA version of a console can have better picture then the Pal version. Doesnt make sense to me
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Looks like someone solved your problem...

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Good news for PAL N64 owners sick if shitty composite video, I've found the solution.

Recently on a thread someone said that s-video worked on PAL N64's. My bull**** alarm sounded but curiosity got the better of me and I had a look. Seems I was right and wrong. S-video does work on the PAL N64 but Nintendo left out components so that it doesn't work properly. The video displays but all the colours are ultra bright and over saturated. However I stumbled across a thread about someone that hardwired a s-video cable to the N64 console and added the extra components himself and got it to work. There was a message on the thread saying you could mod the s-video cable itself with the components for a cleaner mod.

Anyway was on consolegoods.co.uk and saw that rob had modded s-video cables for sale so inquired and seems these cables would work on a PAL system but not NTSC so I took a chance.

The cable arrived today and I can happily report it works beautifully. The picture quality is amazing. No more dot crawling and the colours are far more vivid. To the naked eye there's no difference between this and RGB. I tried Perfect Dark which is massively improved by this cable. Goldeneye was improved as well but less so since it seems to over use the N64 blur and looks absolutely terrible anyway. Other games like Mario 64, Mario Kart and 2D games like Mischief Makers really are substantially improved.

Now the difference between composite and s-video on the N64 isn't as amazing as the difference between composite and RGB on a megadrive and the SNES because of the awful N64 anti aliasing blur. if you look at the edge of a polygon instead of a diagonal with a staircase effect going up it you have pixels smudged randomly along the edge which looks even worse. Still I highly recommend this cable because even with Nintendos awful anti aliasing this cable is a massive improvement over AV composite.


i've ordered stuff from consolegoods.co.uk in the past without any problem.
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thanks I'll look into this
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Or get yourself a French PAL N64. These can be modified to use RGB.
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I just got a cheapo 3rd party (redundant, i know) N64 a/V and S cable (vendor: quick buys on Amazon.com) for my NTSC console. The picture on my old tube TV is at least as good as with the OEM A/V cables. I actually think it is perceptibly better (but my comparison pics werent telling).
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Thank you Mk II for the link, will order one.
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Does anyone know if it's possible to attempt the PAL S-Video mod yourself?

I can't seem to find any guides about it anywhere and it's currently out of stock on consolegoods.co.uk :(
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Sep 10 2012, 02:21 AM
Does anyone know if it's possible to attempt the PAL S-Video mod yourself?

I can't seem to find any guides about it anywhere and it's currently out of stock on consolegoods.co.uk :(
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?37466-Yet-another-RGB-modded-PAL-N64

I shall attempt this at some point so I'll post my results as and when I have a chance to do it.
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Sep 10 2012, 04:54 AM
http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?37466-Yet-another-RGB-modded-PAL-N64

I shall attempt this at some point so I'll post my results as and when I have a chance to do it.
hmm I have no idea what is going on in those pictures, probably best I stay away from attempting that :P

but I look forward to seeing what you can do!
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This is also very intresting, it's some kind of board you solder on any N64 to allow VGA output.

http://forums.benheck.com/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=43034&start=60

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Awesome find Panda, but will it work on a PAL console (haven't read the benheck post yet)
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marshallh wrote:
This mod can be done on any N64 made, the plan is to make it work with all regions


Looks promising ^_^

btw: ordered a s-video pal cable from consolegoods.co.uk, it ships this friday.
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Got the cable, first it didn't work wiggled the cable a bit then worked for a few minutes. Now it's again not working, only sound come through.

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Not good, have you contacted them?
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Yes, at first he thought it couldn't be the cable, but after showing him video of the problem he offered to replace the cable.

So have to wait for a new one.
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Shipping costs are probaly higher than the cable itself, so i decided to just fix it myself.

There was a loose wire causing the problem.
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How's the picture now you have a working cable, worth the money /effort
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Aug 7 2012, 05:44 AM
No, it doesnt. the N64 doesnt produce a S-Video signal.
Using a different cable does not magically alter the signal it carrries (alas!)

AFAIK some early NTSC consoles can be modded to support RGB output but that's it.
We're stuck with composite video


Yes, Early NTSC and NTSC-J had the capability built in but the pin connectors were removed shortly before release for some reason. I didn't know they had been modded but it's possible in this way only on NTSC and NTSC-J: Adding RGB to an N64 There's already a thread on this method.

That said there's ANOTHER mod that works for PAL: RGB modded PAL It's an Aussie website and says the mod requires a replacement RGB dac or something, which looks like what the fellow on the forum did as well. Quite a bit more complicated unfortunately, of course, because PAL N64's never had the RGB built in.
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Interesting, but way too complicated for me.

I will put up some pics tomorrow to get a comparison.
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Spook s-video cable works for pal n64. Might not on the coloured one but Defo does on the grey. Bought loads of them and this is the only one that has worked. There's been one on amazon uk for a few week now, might of gone I was going to get it for a spare.
They left components out of the pal consoles resistors and stuff. So pal s-video cables are made different to compensate. Some say s-video was left out altogether in later pal ones coloured ones. Spook s-video if I connect it to my ntsc console comes out darker.
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I also bought one of Consolegoods, really good service and it works great. Really nice improvement (I was using the aerial connection before), only negative is the cable is a little short but nothing major.
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Retested the Spook cable again against a monster cable and others on the ntsc console there is no darkness issues with the spook cable.
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Is the Consolegoods cable worth buying then?

I'm on a whole new learning curve for the N64!! :w00t:
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My cable from consolegoods arrived this morning (I actually bought 2)

They didn't have any in stock when I enquired but got some about 10 days later

So I'll give it a try tonight :yeah:
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Nov 3 2012, 08:49 AM
I also bought one of Consolegoods, really good service and it works great. Really nice improvement (I was using the aerial connection before), only negative is the cable is a little short but nothing major.
My cables are 2 meter, maybe they have extended them?
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let us know how you go, still considering this
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It works!

The picture is noticeably better, not a huge difference but it is definitely clearer/less pixellated AND its solved my volume issue! :lol:

When using the Scart setup the volume was a lot louder on the N64 AV channel than it was for the TV so I had to remember to turn it down before switching over or it scared the crap out of me!!

Now the volume levels are the same. :lol:
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