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Official S Video cable
Topic Started: Sep 1 2014, 12:15 AM (4,128 Views)
Kobeskillz
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I see a few on ebay but they all say from Japan. Do they work and should I worry about fake cables? They say official.
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Cabanon
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any cable will work on any machine just like controllers, it's not locked like games.
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sanni
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PAL and NTSC S-Video cables are different. Here you can get a proper cable for your region: http://www.robwebb1.plus.com/n64/n64.htm
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Cabanon
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wait what, cables are different ? what the heck. too bright ? i'd get one NTSC on PAL because I hate too dark.

first time I hear this. is it because of the PAL chip ?
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I have an NTSC console. I bought a $7 generic S cable off if Amazon. It was an improvement over the normal cables. Then I sprung for the official s cable. Did not really notice a difference over my generic.
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Kobeskillz
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sanni
Sep 1 2014, 06:06 AM
PAL and NTSC S-Video cables are different. Here you can get a proper cable for your region: http://www.robwebb1.plus.com/n64/n64.htm
I know pal cables are funky but Japan cables will work on my us system right?
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sanni
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Yes.
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Kobeskillz
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Sep 1 2014, 09:24 AM
Yes.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/231320403718?nav=SEARCH

Should I trust this cable? Do they sale fakes or this? I won't want to get burned.
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Kobeskillz
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Ok guys so tomorrow i'm either going to get a used S video Monster Cable on ebay for around 70 bucks.

Or I can get the official Nintendo S video imported from Japan on Ebay for around 50 bucks.

I'm dead set on one of those just to get it over with and have the best quality for my SNES and N64.

Anyone advice or comments? Really would love to hear what you guys have to say on this.

I know there are 3rd party ones but i was thinking just pony up and have the best and get it over with you know.
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Cabanon
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save your cash for games. buy generic ones and you wont notice the difference.
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thefifthgiant
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I have one of those generic combo composite/s-video cables, and it produces that "grid" pattern over s-video. I have seen generic ones work well, but try to find a dedicated s-video cable to make sure that it isn't actually a fake like mine was. I did eventually get a monster cable, but it was $12 to get it shipped here in the states. I didn't realize that they were actually expensive.. :blink:
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Kobeskillz
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Sep 3 2014, 07:45 AM
I have one of those generic combo composite/s-video cables, and it produces that "grid" pattern over s-video. I have seen generic ones work well, but try to find a dedicated s-video cable to make sure that it isn't actually a fake like mine was. I did eventually get a monster cable, but it was $12 to get it shipped here in the states. I didn't realize that they were actually expensive.. :blink:
that's what I didn't want to deal with you know. Cheap generic cables with issues. I have one of those multi console ones that have composite and S video and it looks like crap.

Im also afraid that i'll get a fake Nintendo one so i figured its pretty hard to fake the monster cables so i'm going with that.

Yes is expensive but screw it i'm getting the best picture for my SNES/N64 and after this I don't have to worry about it.
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swaaye
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I got a Monster Svideo cable for N64 a year ago for pretty cheap. It still has the visible pattern. I'm not convinced that pattern isn't something coming from N64's encoder. For that matter the N64 has an obvious color dither and its texture filtering is flawed and that too is a visible pattern.
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Kobeskillz
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swaaye
Sep 3 2014, 01:29 PM
I got a Monster Svideo cable for N64 a year ago for pretty cheap. It still has the visible pattern. I'm not convinced that pattern isn't something coming from N64's encoder. For that matter the N64 has an obvious color dither and its texture filtering is flawed and that too is a visible pattern.
yeah I wouldn't doubt that but at least that's hardware related which I can stomach.

What I want to eliminate is the rest of the problems stemming from wires.

With the monster/official wires at least you know it's not the wire causing certain things.
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swaaye
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Well let us know if your cable improves things. I noticed slightly improved sharpness and color saturation.
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Kobeskillz
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swaaye
Sep 3 2014, 02:07 PM
Well let us know if your cable improves things. I noticed slightly improved sharpness and color saturation.
I have a multi console S Video that also has a composite so from what I hear those are garbage.

I'm sure this should improve things.
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Kobeskillz
Sep 3 2014, 04:15 PM
swaaye
Sep 3 2014, 02:07 PM
Well let us know if your cable improves things. I noticed slightly improved sharpness and color saturation.
I have a multi console S Video that also has a composite so from what I hear those are garbage.

I'm sure this should improve things.


I have read that too. The claim is that some Svideo+Composite cables just push a composite signal (C+Y) out each pin of SVideo and that this is the cause of the screendoor pattern. I have a multi-console cable and a Mad Catz SNES/GC/N64 cable (not Monster after all). They both have composite and S-Video. I've continuity checked both my cables and the SVideo is wired correctly with C and Y separate. The composite connector is actually on an entirely separate pin from those signals too.

I'm convinced the screendoor pattern is actually N64's color dithering and that composite blurs it out.
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swaaye
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Ok I need to backpedal on my opinion of the cause of the checkerboard problem. I have been thinking more about it and reading more about it and I think it is a cable problem indeed. Some sort of signal quality and/or ground issue.

As I said I have two cables. I verified both of these have SVideo at least wired up correctly.
MadCatz Ultra S-Video/Audio Cable
MadCatz Universal S-Video Cable

I experimented with both cables and various inputs and games. The checkerboard varies by color which is probably a solid indication of signal issues. The "Ultra" cable is also considerably worse than the universal cable, even with its fancy claimed shielding and thicker wiring. Both cables have a ferrite core filter.

I get the impression that S-Video is a rather sensitive interface and is particularly susceptible to interference, crosstalk and ground problems.
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Kobeskillz
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Sep 4 2014, 03:54 PM
Ok I need to backpedal on my opinion of the cause of the checkerboard problem. I have been thinking more about it and reading more about it and I think it is a cable problem indeed. Some sort of signal quality and/or ground issue.

As I said I have two cables. I verified both of these have SVideo at least wired up correctly.
MadCatz Ultra S-Video/Audio Cable
MadCatz Universal S-Video Cable

I experimented with both cables and various inputs and games. The checkerboard varies by color which is probably a solid indication of signal issues. The "Ultra" cable is also considerably worse than the universal cable, even with its fancy claimed shielding and thicker wiring. Both cables have a ferrite core filter.

I get the impression that S-Video is a rather sensitive interface and is particularly susceptible to interference, crosstalk and ground problems.
I have the 1st Universal one you listed as well and that's the one that I mentioned is garbage.

So yeah I think it's the cables that's why I sprung for the Monster and called it a day.

Later in the week i'll do a comparison and report since me and you have the same wire.
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Kobeskillz
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ok so I had a chance to test this puppy. The monster S video and man oh man it makes a huge difference over my universal S video cable with composite.

1st thing 1st. Rare games are just blurry no matter what. Probably running on low res. Color is better and sharpness but the games by nature are blurry.

Games that support hi res mode almost look like 480p! I'm using my wega sony tv.

Rogue Squadron really looks awesome other the color in all these games pops. I think that's the biggest difference the color.

While my sony tv looks great it sure does have some large pixels! Larger than I remember back in the day. My old tv had pixes but they kinda blurred into ea other more. This tv has large box like pixels when you're up close.

Btw tested my SNES and that think just looks absolutely gorgeous with that monster S video. I mean wow!!!

Donkey Kong Country is just gorgeous and after years of looking at it all pixelated on my Wii/WiiU on an HDTV to finally see it like I remember and even better was a joy.

Games with digitized graphics get the most advantage from playing on old tvs IMO. Those do not look great on HDTV's.



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swaaye
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You should do a comparison of both cables by having one connected and then quickly switching to the other. The only major difference I've seen between S-Video cables is the presence of that checkerboard pattern.
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Kobeskillz
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swaaye
Sep 8 2014, 02:22 PM
You should do a comparison of both cables by having one connected and then quickly switching to the other. The only major difference I've seen between S-Video cables is the presence of that checkerboard pattern.
Oh yeah I did that. The difference is subjective I think.

It's not like going from 480i to HD or anything so some would call the differences minor but I call them major IMO.

The color pops much more. Less blurriness. Hi Rez games using expansion pack look almost 480p.

My comparison cable is pretty crappy though. I'm using a universal s video with the composite as well. I've heard those are really composite and not s video even though they have a s video connection.

So I don't have another dedicated s video only wire to compare but from my research on the web only Nintendo's official s video cable compares to the monster one and even then i've read the monster one is slightly better.

I heard the innovation one is good but a notch below the Nintendo and Monster brand.

Anything with the yellow composite cable supposedly is crap and not even S video. That would explain the sub par image when I use that cable.

Also the Nintendo 64 itself produces a weird effect at times on the image. I see it on really sharp games like rogue squadron using the monster cable. I know is the N64 because you can see it on the virtual console as well. for example starfox 64.
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Sep 8 2014, 08:27 AM
Donkey Kong Country is just gorgeous and after years of looking at it all pixelated on my Wii/WiiU on an HDTV to finally see it like I remember and even better was a joy.
I wanna see pictures of that. This game series always looked fantastic. if it does indeed bump the quality, I might check for one.
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Kobeskillz
Sep 8 2014, 03:06 PM
My comparison cable is pretty crappy though. I'm using a universal s video with the composite as well. I've heard those are really composite and not s video even though they have a s video connection.

I checked my universal svideo+composite cable and it is actually wired for svideo properly. The luma and chroma are separate and wired to the right pins on the Nintendo connector. Same with the Ultra composite+svideo cable I have. The Nintendo connector has pins for chroma, luma, and a separate composite so it would be pretty strange for someone to wire that up wrong.

Also yeah I do see the improved color and sharpness. But with the Madcatz Ultra cable a checkerboard pattern appears over most colors. It fades away sometimes. I don't know what the cause is but it must be some kind of noise, ground or crosstalk problem. It's not a simple wiring issue. The Ultra cable seems like it's high quality so it's really strange that it is the worse of the two!
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Kobeskillz
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Sep 8 2014, 06:07 PM
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Sep 8 2014, 03:06 PM
My comparison cable is pretty crappy though. I'm using a universal s video with the composite as well. I've heard those are really composite and not s video even though they have a s video connection.

I checked my universal svideo+composite cable and it is actually wired for svideo properly. The luma and chroma are separate and wired to the right pins on the Nintendo connector. Same with the Ultra composite+svideo cable I have. The Nintendo connector has pins for chroma, luma, and a separate composite so it would be pretty strange for someone to wire that up wrong.

Also yeah I do see the improved color and sharpness. But with the Madcatz Ultra cable a checkerboard pattern appears over most colors. It fades away sometimes. I don't know what the cause is but it must be some kind of noise, ground or crosstalk problem. It's not a simple wiring issue. The Ultra cable seems like it's high quality so it's really strange that it is the worse of the two!
Yeah I believe me and you have the same multi wire but compare to the monster it just pales. Not sure if mine is wired incorrectly or what.
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swaaye
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I dissected the MadCatz Gamecube Ultra S-Video cable. They claim it's shielded, but there's no shielding in there. The rubber insulation is pretty thick so you get the impression it's shielded but nope. It looks like the only upgrade is gold connectors but that doesn't mean much when the company's own $10 universal cable outperforms it.


I also picked up
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261448131347?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
This cable outperforms both of the MadCatz cables.


Worst to best (Ultra -> Universal -> eBay cable)
The camera affects the brightness and sharpness but you can see how the screendoor effect goes away.
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Kobeskillz
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swaaye
Sep 8 2014, 09:03 PM
I dissected the MadCatz Gamecube Ultra S-Video cable. They claim it's shielded, but there's no shielding in there. The rubber insulation is pretty thick so you get the impression it's shielded but nope. It looks like the only upgrade is gold connectors but that doesn't mean much when the company's own $10 universal cable outperforms it.


I also picked up
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261448131347?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
This cable outperforms both of the MadCatz cables.


Worst to best (Ultra -> Universal -> eBay cable)
The camera affects the brightness and sharpness but you can see how the screendoor effect goes away.
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Well looks like the ebay one is working out for you. The other ones don't seem to be very good.
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Cabanon
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these pics looks all the same to me except it's darker on the last one.

EDIT: :cussfit: me for not clicking on pictures !
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Kobeskillz
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Cabanon
Sep 9 2014, 05:18 AM
these pics looks all the same to me except it's darker on the last one.
Look at them closely. Two of them have a checkered pattern. Almost like a screen door. The darker one doesn't have it.

Don't pay attention to the brightness or color. Look more at the pattern that is evident in the crappy wires.

When you play the game it's noticeable and annoying depending on how pronounce it is.
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swaaye
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Yeah the "Madcatz Ultra Gamecube S-Video Cable" puts a very obvious checkerboard over the image. I always blamed the N64 hardware thinking it was a nasty dithering pattern but it was the cable.

The Madcatz Universal cable is a lot better but there is still some checkerboard there. It's almost unnoticeable though.
Edited by swaaye, Sep 9 2014, 10:06 AM.
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