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Approaching N64 as a Sega Kid
Topic Started: Feb 2 2018, 08:11 PM (134 Views)
distractionwolf
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This might get a little long, but I wanted to give this perspective as someone who loves gaming and grew up on sega and I wanted to see what others think of some of this and your own experiences.

As I said in my introduction I grew up on sega mostly. NES actually was my first console but I was four and had about five or six games total before I got a Genesis. I skipped 32 bits entirely, and went straight to Dreamcast from there as a teenager before getting my own job and money and buying my own games and consoles at which point things go all over the place and I've bought and sold more consoles than I can count.

So I want to headline first of all that despite growing up on Sega I never hated Nintendo and understood its appeals completely. A lot of my perspectives come from getting used to certain styles of play. I enjoy 2d Sonic more than 2d mario. To this day the only 2d mario I can really get deeply engrossed in is the first one even though I've beaten World and played the american 2 and 3. Its just a preference for play style and nothing more. I respect the other Mario's as great games but I know they aren't really for me, though I mean to give yoshi's island a shot before starting yoshi story.

The same can certainly be said for Zelda. I appreciate it, I completely get it....I prefer Beyond Oasis. Is it a better game? I don't know, maybe not. Its derivative to be certain, but it just plays more to my taste, espicially the move set. Attacking for me in classic zelda including and perhaps especially the much loved Link to the Past feels awkward for me.

Donkey Kong Country I also understand, but find it frustrating. This one is particularly interesting to note; lots of the mechanics in DKC would encourage a sega person to play it like Sonic and that does not work which results in a lot of frustration.

Probably the only franchise from Nintendo in the 2d era I really dig on is Metroid and that is probably because Sega doesn't have anything quite like it.

NOW....When Nintnedo enters the third dimension with the N64, everything changes. Suddenly I can't get enough Mario. I crave Zelda. Every first party and rare game is overtly appealing even as someone who played dreamcast. Everything here works for me. Part of that I think is due to Nintnedo games going 3d took a very different approach. I love Sonic Adventure, I think though it is a different experience at its core from Mario 64. To a degree, I think this occurs also because to me, N64 is a reboot.

Yeah....Its weird, but to me it makes sense. Nintnedo was moving into a whole new dimension, focusing on wildly different styles of play, and everything on it sort of feels like what we call in movies a 'soft reboot'. Its kind of amazing how this was pulled off in such a way as to not hurt veteran fans while being totally welcoming to new comers.

Mario 64 requires no previous knowledge of any other Mario game. You understand very quickly magical kingdom, this dumpy happy guy is 'friends' with the princess, mean dragon king dude has her trapped in the castle, go save her. The premise is simple and its more obvious still when you look at what comes after it. Sunshine, Galaxy, and Odyssey feel like sequels. Their premises feel like something extra added in. Imagine SNES and NES never happened. You can't easily picture Sunshine being the very first Mario game to ever exist, but Mario 64 I certainly can. Even the mechanics don't assume you know anything.

Zelda its even more clear. The zelda timeline is hotly debated online constantly, but really you could ignore EVERY 2d game in the franchise and it all fits together just fine. Ocarina of Time, when it was released, was the first chronologically in the story. Once again, it could have been the first zelda game ever and it holds up just the same. This goes for starfox as well and though I don't know as much about it I have a feeling it could also work for Kirby Crystal Shards and DK64.

I still frequently go back and dabble with SNES hoping to catch that bug like everyone else did, but I just can't. However N64 makes this sega priest a Nintendo faithful and I think its because it really does act as a secondary entry point, a soft reboot that does not alienate classic Nintendo fans but can serve as a jumping off point for anyone new that wants to get into Nintendo media without ever really feeling like you absolutely must move further backwards to "get it".

Thoughts?


Edited by distractionwolf, Feb 2 2018, 08:20 PM.
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Shellshocker18
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Don't have many thoughts, though I'm glad to see people infatuated by N64 specifically, some of my favorite games are on Nes and Snes but it hasn't grabbed me the same way either. I'll have more time with them when I'm older and hopefully I can approach more Sega consoles as a Nintendo kid. The era definitely was a bit of a reboot, or a side season at least. There will probably never be another era of such drastic change and evolution like that 1995-2000 3D era.

You can still feel Nintendo revisiting ideas from Mario 64 and up until recently the Zelda games. Like movies it's easy to see how derivative games have become since then, because most modern games are just using extensions of ideas that started back in this era, and I think we are in or have already passed the golden age of video game creativity, the foundations have pretty much been set for next 100+years, You say N64 could be a good starting point for anybody wanting to get into "the classics". I wouldn't think so but some people adapt to the era well, but to be honest I've seen people enter with pretty much every console even GameCube and Wii. There really isn't preferred starting point I would point anybody too. it's just whatever types of games catch people's eyes, usually Mario and Zelda and the like. For the record I hope you continue to explore N64 because outside the initial classics there is still a lot to find, a lot of really original stuff that's still unique today

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Always good to read someone else's story, especially when it comes from the other side of the isle. I was the opposite. Owned both a NES, SNES, and Gameboy. The only time I tried Sega stuff was at a cousins house who had a Genesis. I also had a friend that had a Dreamcast, but I was well in to the N64 by then.
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Always good to read someone else's story, especially when it comes from the other side of the isle. I was the opposite. Owned both a NES, SNES, and Gameboy. The only time I tried Sega stuff was at a cousins house who had a Genesis. I also had a friend that had a Dreamcast, but I was well in to the N64 by then.
Did you ever wish you could make the switch or own both growing up? I wanted the genesis so badly that the Christmas night before I knew I was getting it, I actually dreamed I was accepting it on an award show and like thanking my parents and stuff XD

Now if I had that dream today Kanye West would have taken the mic from me an said "I'm real proud of you, and I'm gonna let you finish, but the SNES is the greatest console of all time man! Of all time!"

The most present memory in my mind of wishing I had an SNES was seeing Donkey Kong Country at a friends house a game that, ironically, I now have trouble playing. N64 I begged for but couldn't get. I remember thinking man even if all I had was JUST Mario 64, that would be enough I could play that game and that game alone for a year.
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For some reason the computer I'm currently using won't let me quote another person's post, but this line from distractionwolf really stood out to me:

"I still frequently go back and dabble with SNES hoping to catch that bug like everyone else did, but I just can't. However N64 makes this sega priest a Nintendo faithful and I think its because it really does act as a secondary entry point, a soft reboot that does not alienate classic Nintendo fans but can serve as a jumping off point for anyone new that wants to get into Nintendo media without ever really feeling like you absolutely must move further backwards to "get it". "

I got the SNES Classic for Christmas, and it's good, but the main thing it was able to accomplish for me was just wanting to play the N64 more. Maybe it's because the 64 was my first, and maybe because it's my first it means I'm used to 4-player multiplayer as the norm rather than the exception. But I do think there's something to be said for a sort of "reboot" argument, and it almost connects with where the break between "Classic Nintendo" ends and "Modern Nintendo" begins.

It was in the Gamecube/Game Boy Advance era that I saw Nintendo starting to rely a lot more on retro references and their "classic" properties via remakes and rereleases. There were glimpses of it on the 64, like the Namco/Midway museums and the fact that technically the NES games reappeared on Animal Forest first. But that hard push really came just a bit later. Think about the "Classic NES Series" on Game Boy Advance, for example. This ultimately came to a head with the Virtual Console on the Wii, Wii U and 3DS. What this ultimately seemed to do, at least for me, was cement the 64 as the last of Nintendo's "original" consoles. And it has remained an "original" console to this day, unlike the Wii for example which feels like it's been/being replaced and rendered obsolete (a real shame, actually. I'm with Grizzmeister that the Wii is probably the ultimate console for retrogamers).
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My own beginning gaming experience is totally unique. I was in my thirties, married, with kid, when I started gaming. I got a taste for gaming on a Commodore 64. Shooters grabbed me and would not let go. My first console was a Sega Genesis, the SNES had not been released. My focus was shooters, or shmups as they are commonly referred to presently. I purchased the Genesis and the game Hellfire. It came with the Sonic pack-in, but I spent all my gaming time on Hellfire. When the SNES was released, my mind could only see Gradius and Super R-Type. With my focus on that genre, it was always easy for me to straddle the fence. It just became natural for me to purchase the N64 when it showed up on the store shelf. I consider cart based consoles as the retro gaming experience. And the N64 is the big guy on the corner.
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