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All that Glistens is not Golden
Topic Started: Feb 24 2018, 08:34 PM (1,865 Views)
Deadmoneycash
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Hello and welcome.
This Discussion/Thread's objective is for the continuation and further documentation, identification and authentification of the elusive 1997 Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Grand Pirze Gold N64 Controllers.

A National and Global contest. In the U.S. it appeared in the U.S. 1997 Nintendo Power magazine issue#94, pages 34 & 35 and was nationally held in the U.S. in the spring of 1997.
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In order for contestants to qualify they had to beat a Time Trial of 1 minute 30 seconds (1:30) on Mario Raceway, with any character of their choosing. Tear out the entry form provided in Nintendo Power issue #94, fill it out and attach a picture of their time trial achievement to the entry form and mail it in, post marked by May 15th 1997 in order to be considered an eligible entry in the contest. Only 1,000 Grand Prize winners would be chosen. The grand prize being 1of the first ever released gold Nintendo 64 Controllers. The Gold Mario Kart 64 controller.

DISCLAIMER: This thread is going to have unimaginable twists and turns. It's going to go places that currently to "You" the reader are completely unforeseen, unexpected and mind-blowing for the N64 community and possibly Retro Gamers alike. In order for this thread to work in the further identification and authentification of the elusive 1997 U.S. Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Grand Prize Gold controller we need to bring in and examine every type of gold controller for the N64. Now for those that might say we are getting off topic I say "Hold your wad there fella". These other gold controllers are needed for proper identification and authentication assistance. But....BUT it doesn't just stop there. There is going to be a domino effect of identification and authentication, coupled with a much needed revelation to come to light for this community and future community members to come. Just remember that you seen it here first at Nintendo 64 Forever. Now "Lets Rock!"

This Mario Kart Gold N64 controller is rare to say the least. They are the original, first ever released Golden N64 Controllers. There is known to be 1,000 released in U.S. and it has been said and speculated that there were also 1,000 released in Japan as Grand Prizes of the Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup contest. Possibly. Not confirmed. Note: NOT every country that participated in the Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup contest had a grand prize of a gold N64 controller. It has been said some countries received different Grand Prizes, such as Gold Medals and others Go-Karts. How many countries received Gold N64 controllers or received a different grand prize is beyond me. Possibly a separate Forum to discuss all the different Global grand prizes is in order?

Most of these elusive Gold N64 controllers were said to be lost forever, 20 years ago when Nintendo released the every day store bought gold N64 controllers 1 yr after the Mario Kart 64 contest grand prize winners received theirs. It has been stated across the internet and debated for many many years that there is no way to physically tell the difference apart from a Mario Kart 64 Grand Prize Gold controller (MK64GC) and a common everyday store bought gold N64 controller. These controllers are said to be nearly unpriceable because there's nothing that identifies them as a unique item after the release of the common store-bought gold N64 controllers 1 year later except for a small congratulations card. If you were a grand prize winner of the 1997 MK64NPC in the U.S. you received a postmarked package from Nintendo containing your grand prize MK64GC along with a congratulations card.

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This Grand Prize winner congratulations card is not mine. There is a front side picture, not pictured here. If someone could please provide the front cover picture of the congratulations card that would be great.


This congratulations card is said to be exclusively the only identifiable part of a MK64GC. The mail packaging/plain cardboard box could also contribute to identifying the controller but not as much. This congratulations card does not contain the recipient's name, nor does it contain the recipients MK64NPC contest winning time. It in fact was word for word the same for all of the 1,000 U.S. Grand Prize winners. While it is a nice piece of memorabilia, very nostalgic and cool, It in fact is not the controller and in my opinion can be faked to easily. So where does that leave us? Only people with a small paper congratulations card are possibly true MK64GC holders? That if you are presente with an opportunity to purchase or trade for one of these MK64GC, that you solely rest all of the identifiable information on the congratulations card? High risk none the less. One thing for sure is a very large portion of these congratulations cards are gone forever, but more than likely a fair number of the MK64GC still remain at large, without their identifiable congratulations card. Now with that said, are all of the original MK64GC without a congratulations card lost forever, never to be identifiable again? Bumping around the globe like an everyday common Gold N64 controller? Well I'm here with others to state that simply is NOT the case. We in fact can identify these original, authentic Mario Kart 64 Gold controllers from the 1997 U.S. Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Contest without a congratulations card. Most of this information that will be presented is NOT new! A shocking revelation for most to even hear this. Nearly the main identifiable point on a MK64GC has been public knowledge for at least 5 years. As far back as 2013 is the earliest post I can find mentioning it and its here on Nintendo 64 Forever! Yet the gaming world at large does not seem to know about it and disputes it nearly every chance they get. Now with all this aside there actually has been an exciting NEW revelation to come to light in regards of further identification and authentication of these controllers!

I personally am an original 1997 U.S. Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Grand Prize winner of you guessed it...a Mario Kart 64 Gold controller. I have known for 20 years the MAIN difference between the MK64GC and a common store bought gold controller. I'll get to my background story later. For years and years I debated with people there was a difference. To no avail. Nearly 99% of all the websites that even mention the MK64GC in Forum/Thread/Blog whatever always state the same repetitious rhetoric remark that "There is no way to identify the MK64GC from common gold N64 controllers." One thing you should take notice of when you read these statements on these websites is that none of the writers claim to be Grand Prize winners. None of them claim to actually have even seen or used a MK64GC. Meaning a person that has never seen a MK64GC is stating publicly there is no way to differentiate it from any of the common look alike gold N64 controllers. I thought to myself for years how does no one know the difference? Did nobody do their due diligence way back then? Well my friend and myself did back in 1998. We felt it was very very important to us 20 years ago to do so. I wanted to know and make sure our grand prize winnings, our bragging rights as gamers were in fact still unique, accountable and identifiable after Nintendo released the common everyday store bought gold N64 controllers. We needed to know if Nintendo had just ripped out our hearts and stomped all over our credibility and hard work? Erasing our achievement from history! It was strange and made no sense to me over the years that no one I ever came across knew the difference. Problem was I was only able to discuss it with people that had never even laid eyes on the MK64GC. But still how could a holy grail of the Nintendo gaming world be so easily overlooked? Not given the attention such a unique item deserved. I really thought the world had gone mad that is until I stumbled into this group here. The Nintendo 64 Forever group. For the first time in my life I was seeing written information about how to identify a MK64GC! It took me by surprise! There were people that actually knew the difference! Going through all the old forums here at Nintendo 64 Forever I seen the difference mentioned again far back as 2013 but most noticeably back in 2016 with the "Got it Made?; Nintendo 64 controller orgins" thread.

Got it Made
Great read. I recommend everyone check it out.

There were and are some great people in that thread putting forth many hours of work and wonderful information. Amazing revelations were made in regards to all N64 controllers. The MK64GC was in that list and for the first time I seen people actually knew the difference. I'd like to give a big shout out now too No64DD for putting together the "Got it Made" thread, started in early 2016. There are many other names in that thread that put forth countless hours and work. Congratulations to them all.

No64DD has been working with me behind the scenes on bringing this forum forward. I am as forum illiterate as they come. No64DD has been and is a wonderful wealth of knowledge that has truly helped me make this work and bring it to light to share and contribute to the wonderful wealth of continuing knowledge of the Nintendo 64 world here at Nintendo 64 Forever *(clapping)*.

**DISCLAIMER: BORING PARTS: SKIP AHEAD....if you want to get back to the action.** A quick background story on me. I am an original 1997 Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup grand prize U.S. winner. I possibly maybe the only Grand Prize winner in the U.S that does not have thier name on the 1,000 U.S. Grand Prize winners list. If such a list even exist? (Can anyone produce such a list? If so please do so.) The story is I at 15 years old and my best friend neighbor at 13 years old were gaming junkies. He had a Nintendo 64 with Mario Kart 64. I had a Nintendo Power magazine issue #94 with contest entry form. We spent two days back and forth putting in our best efforts and times with various characters on Mario Raceway. After two days I was finally able to beat the Time Trial requirement of 1 minute 30 seconds. I came in at 1 minute 29 seconds with Yoshi. My friend's mother using her Polaroid camera took several pictures of the TV screen. I gave her the Nintendo Power contest form and she filled it out and mailed it in with the Polaroid. Now to this day I have no clue if she just put her son's name on it or were both of our names on the entry form. As luck would have it we were selected as 1 of the 1,000 U.S. Grand Prize winners! The Mario Kart 64 grand prize gold controller was mailed to my friend's house. He called me over on the phone and told me a package from Nintendo had arrived! Up until that point we didn't even know if we were 1 of the 1,000 grand prize winners yet. Together we frantically opened the package and held up the Gold Mario Kart 64 controller! His mother snapped this Polaroid of us at that moment in 1997.

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Now I know people are thinking already that my credibility goes out the window. Since the controller was mailed to his house and his mother filled out the contest entry form. We mutually agreed the Gold controller was both ours together. We continued to share the MK64GC for the next two years. What I can say and state here and now is if his mother did not include both our names on the entry form and if someone can produce a list of the 1,000 U.S. Grand Prize winners that you will see a L.Y. of Wooster, Ohio as a grand prize winner. If his mother actually put my name on the entry form as well you will see a B.M. of Wooster, Ohio as well. Unfortunately for us we did not keep the mailing package and overtime the congratulations card simply disappeared. It was on a small piece of folded paper. Now fast forward one year later, Nintendo releases a store-bought gold N64 controller to our dismay! We went to the stores and bought one immediately and frantically opened the package to compare the store bought gold N64 controller to our very own grand prize contest winning MK64GC. And to our RELIEF we spotted a difference! We knew then that Nintendo DID NOT rip out our hearts and stomp all over our credibility! Fast forward 1 more year later again, 2 years after receiving the MK64GC. It was stolen from my friends house. Gone forever and never to be seen again.

***STOP SCROLLING!! BOARING PARTS OVER!!*** The actions about to pickup! My attempt here along with others is to bring fourth as many Gold N64 controllers for documentation as possible. Yes this thread is about the 1997 Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Grand Prize Gold controller. But without all the other N64 gold controllers this thread wouldn't work. We want to make this thread as much the definitive proof of identifying all MK64GC in the wild. For ones that come up for sale, trade or bragging rights. We are going to be documenting every gold controller possible from possibly multiple angles and from the inside out as much as possible. And yes folks we are going to have a first ever, publicly documented (to the best of my knowledge) and shared, insides of an official MK64GC! You seen it here first folks at Nintendo 64 Forever.

Now let us begin!
I present to you, the everyday store-bought common 1998 N64 Gold controller, that is said to have RUINED it all! Gaze upon it, analyze it. Remember it.

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And now for your viewing pleasure. **drum roll plz** I present to you thee official, thee elusive, one of a kind, the granddaddy of all N64 gold controllers! I give to you...........MK64GC!!!

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**Ahh**oOoh**eww**pfft**ish**huh**$%@%**?**

There it is folks in all its glory!....wait......wh.....whut? You mean to tell me you can't see that this is an official MK64GC!? You mean you can't tell that this is the elusive MK64GC? You mean to say that it looks no different than the everyday store-bought common N64 gold controller?! Well..... you are right. At least from this angle. How quick the gaming world has always been to judge this book by its cover. Shall we turn the page per say on this controller and see what we find? We shall.

Now here is a shot of both controllers from a different angle. Top side. Here is the everyday store bought common gold N64 controller
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Now the MK64GC.
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Notice a difference? Look real close. closer...CLOSER! Okay you got it. You see it now. The 1997 Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Contest Winning, Grand Prize Gold controller IS the only (Fully Gold<----remember this) N64 gold controller in all of history to be "Made in...JAPAN"!

Now folks I tell you this is already public knowledge. This is what I have known for 20 years. It's what I seen posted in this very group in 2013 and more noticeably in 2016's "Got it Made" thread, started by No64DD.
This is what I beat my head on the wall for 20 years not understanding how it was missed. I understand that it's small and hardly noticeable but for people to blatantly argue until they're nearly blue in the face that there is no physical difference on the outside of these gold controllers!? Well that was just blatant ignorance.

Now at this point I would like for everyone to start digging out any and all of your N64 GOLD controllers. Every type there ever was. Let's catalog this difference. "MADE IN CHINA" and "MADE IN JAPAN". If everyone could snap a picture of the top of your gold controllers and post them here, that would be a great help for all future to come. If you could get the angle just right so we can see some of the face of the controller so that we may see which type of golden N64 controller it is. Such as Nintendo Power 100th issue release, common everyday store-bought release, ect. Make sure the stamped information up on top of where the controller is made "CHINA" or "JAPAN" is legible, in focus and make sure the picture is rotated so that the words are right side up before posting for all of us to read. At least try your best to get the stamp pictured if nothing else. I think just a few pictures of each type of N64 Gold controller is appropriate. If you see that your controller has already been picture posted a couple times then please do not add another picture. You could simply "Reply" that yours is the same. We don't want this post to be overrun with a hundred pictures of everyday store-bought common gold "MADE IN CHINA" N64 controllers. Keep it tidy so it's more effective and efficient. Though there will be an exception for as many pictures as people can get of their MK64GC. I feel this exception is acceptable as there probably won't be too many. Also an exception will be made for other color types of "JAPAN" made N64 controllers that are NOT golden or entirely (fully gold) in color. The reason will come later.

Moving on. So now the cat is out of the bag for at least the third or fourth time here at Nintendo 64 Forever. Is the story over? Is there anything else that we know or can find that can again prove the difference between the MK64GC and every other (Hint---> *Fully*) gold N64 controller in existence? There is. It's not a piece of paper or a mailing package, it is again the controller itself! This info that is about to be presented is to the best of my knowledge, brand-new undocumented, never before disclosed information. Revolutionary in reality, as it began a domino effect in identification and authentication in the N64 controller world and reaches well beyond the confines of its own shell.

In the modern resurgence of retro game collecting a new weapon has emerged in authentification and identification of higher-end items. We now open up carts (non disc games) in attempt to authenticate the product as official and legitimate through various processes. And why should that be any different then for this incidence? Now in the "Got it Made" thread started in 2016 here at Nintendo 64 Forever many many N64 controllers were opened up. Documented. One that never made the list as far as getting opened up...MK64GC. So we now are going to dive in to the mythological world that is the inside of a Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup Grand Prize Gold controller! What Mysteries await? What unknown information lurks in this dark and mysterious corner of the gaming world? I can only think of one way to find out. Remember you seen it here on Nintendo 64 Forever first. Armed with nothing more than a screwdriver and bad looks... I'm goin In.

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A dirty hole never stopped me.

Tadaaa!
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So here we all are standing at the threshold of the unknown. And what is blatantly, obviously wrong? Do you see it? I'll wait......and wait......and wait....an...d......wa...i...t. waiting.....hmmmm. Times up. I bet only a few of you see it and most of you don't. It's in your face obvious and sticking out like a sore thumb. But at the same time understandably not known by many people. Should maybe I drone on another 5 pages before pointing it out? Nah, I'm not that cold-hearted. Though I am Dead. So here it is. The 1997 Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup U.S. Grand Prize Gold controllers are the only Fully Gold N64 controller in HISTORY to ever EVER be made from GREY PLASTIC!
**how the f%$#**WTF**who the?**wut just happend?**
**DeadMoney u just changed my life forever**banned!**
** debate over!!**

Side by side shot comparison of a MK64GC insides and a common grey controller insides.
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Now you may notice that there is a slight color difference between the 2 controller insides. They both appear grey but slightly a few shades off from each other. Now what this is and I have discovered is the MK64GC had a clear coating spray done to the inside of the controller. But this clear coating spray has a bronze hue. I actually scraped it off with a knife and on the knife end was a brown/bronze powder and thus revealing the true GREY plastic underneath! I have highlighted the scraped area in the following pictures inside of the blue circle.

First with no flash.
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Now with flash. I have found that flash penetrates the clear coating quite easily and basically brings out all the grey plastic color underneath.
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Now you might be asking what are all the other Gold N64 controllers made of then? Great question! And the answer is a TAN PLASTIC. I currently do not possess a common gold N64 controller but there are enough pictures on the internet of them out there that anyone for themselves can see that there is definitively TAN PLASTIC under the gold paint from the typical wear spots of a N64 controller. I'll post a few pictures from off the web but just know that someone from this group shortly will be posting pictures of the insides of MADE IN CHINA, TAN PLASTIC gold controllers. To illustrate the EXTREME difference between China made and Japan made gold controller insides, specifically the colors of the plastics they are made from.
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All three above pictures are the common everyday store-bought China made tan plastic gold N64 controllers.

Now below I will post a picture of a same/similar wear spot on my MK64GC, Notice the color difference.
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Now many examples will be coming to illustrate these differences overtime. Hopefully sooner than later. I will not be the only one providing the proof. There are some great people here at Nintendo 64 Forever that are ready and willing to provide even more proof. And I encourage others to come forward and assist in the further documentation an expansion of this project. Putting to rest once and for all the debate, that there is in fact differences between the MK64GC and all other gold N64 controllers that followed it throughout history. Note: That even the highly sought-after Nintendo Power 100th issue gold controller which was available for order through a 1997 Nintendo Super Power Supplies catalog just 4 months after the 1997 Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup contest ended and 2 short month's after the Mario Kart 64 Nintendo: Power Cup Grand Prize winners received their MK64GC by mail, was in fact the second ever released Fully Gold N64 controller (3rd over all Gold related controller in N64 history) but was already made from the TAN PLASTIC that all gold N64 controllers have continued to have been made from ever since and...AND the first gold controller to be stamped with the "Made in China"! So to recap, the MK64GC is the first ever released N64 Gold controller, that is stamped "Made in JAPAN" and is made from GREY plastic. The NP100GC is the 3rd ever released gold N64 controller (just a few months behind MK64GC) and was already stamped with "Made in CHINA" and made from TAN plastic that all other gold N64 controllers that were released after it continue to be also made from the TAN plastic and stamped "Made in CHINA". Again my hope along with others is that there will be people to come forward with pictures to help further illustrate these facts and differences.

So this concludes my thread opening discussion. It also concludes my 21 year quest for the Gold. It has all come full circle for meyself. I now own again what was rightfully mine and reclaim my spot among U.S. 1997 Mario Kart 64 elites. My drive to conquer this controller a second time in one lifetime has led to undisclosed revelations that I never could have foreseen in the past 20 years. For the second time in my life I have opened up a package containing a MK64GC. Somethings were ment to be. You might see me out there one day on Mario Raceway burning up red EEEEEEEE's, MK64GC in hand, reminiscing about spring days 21 years ago in 1997.

Is this story over? Nah, far from it. This
is only the catalyst to a very large ball of wax that is about to start rolling. In fact this ball of wax might just be on fire once it starts rolling. Amazing things to come. Stay tuned.

Now some Q&A
Q: Dead Money how do you have a MK64GC if yours was
stolen 19 years ago?
A: As I said I always knew the difference so eBay surfing I
found a gold controller with the difference, 19 yrs later.

Q: Hey Dead Money, did you Nuke the Fridge with this?
A: Nope, this is all real.

Q: Dead Money, what was it like to open 2 packages in
1 lifetime, each containing a MK64GC's?!
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A bunch of random pics of the MK64GC. A few pictures with pointed out highlights.
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Fantastic work!

This is quite a lot to take in.
The MADE in Japan only controllers only seem to have resistors and a printed label on the chipboard, which by the way is a different color that Made in China controllers.

To reiterate, it's an amazing story you put together. I was able to help bridge the gap so to speak. I seen the sespool on certain facebook groups, and it is astounding how misinformed the rest of the internet is. It's actually scary and funny at the same time!


Here is my japanese Gold Toys R Us controller. Made in China of course. Gold Box. Near mint.
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You won't find a better tan on Donald Trump! :lol:

Years old debate finally conclusive. Amazing. All Made in China Gold controllers will look like this.
I love what you did here. It is genuine.

Edited by No64DD, Feb 25 2018, 10:02 AM.
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@ No64DD, The first wonderful contribution to the thread. Looking forward to many of your future contributions here. And those of others.
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To further point out what No64DD has mentioned about Japan made and China made controllers and the differences between there PCB backs I will add a few pictures

Here we have the JAPAN MADE MK64GC PCB back. Highlighted in the three blue circles are some very important points. The first being the top middle circle with a white rectangular sticker with the number/letters "705W" printed on the sticker. JAPAN made controllers all have this sticker in the same location. What changes within the Japan made controllers that ALL have these stickers is the first three digits of the sticker but the fourth last digit the "W" seems to remain. However China made controllers in this exact same location have numbers printed on the board in a Black Ink. No sticker and also it seems no "W". Moving on to the far left blue circle that appears to be drawn around nothing and it has. On a japan-made controller this area is left alone, nothing is done here. On a china made controller another group of numbers is again printed directly onto this PCB back and again in Black Ink. Moving on again to the final and third middle small blue circle. This circle is around two small yellow jacket colored resistors. These resistors only appear in this location on Japan made controllers. A China made controller will have nothing in this location. And one final note the color difference between Japan made in China made PCB backs. The Japan made PCB back is a solid smooth uniform color that is somewhat of a brown cream pumpkin in my opinion. Now the China made PCB back is not very uniform in color. It looks near grainy like particle board and is more of a darker brown. It almost looks texturized where the Japan made looks completely smooth to the eye's touch. I would like to take a moment to explain "smooth to the eyexs touch". In this modern era of retro game collecting it has become common practice and courtesy to open up carts of around $50 value or greater in order for the buyee to better discern if their purchase is in fact genuine, legitimate, authentic by viewing the PCB. So most people people attempting to make such a purchase do not usually get to physically hold the item in hand for sale. So that's where the "Smooth to eyes touch" comes in. I can say for a fact that both China made in Japan made PCB backs are completely smooth to the fingers touch. But noticeably the Japan PCB back looks like it would be smooth to the touch where the China made PCB back looks like it might actually feel texture but is NOT. This is just my attempt to help discern and differentiate the two boards from a mobile perspective.
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No64DD
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Speaking of discerning color and texture, i wanted to bring up the other MK64 controller. The Black/Grey japanese MK64 controller.
Made in Japan

Next to the Mk64 controller is a standard Grey controller shell on the right. Made in China
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The reason i point this out is because there is a difference in color and texture between the two. It has been said before about this Made in Japan controller that people can attest to, although it is not that easy to see and describe.

Here is a better picture of the color difference.
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Not only was this two tone controller used as a template for other Made In Japan controllers like the Hello Mac and Geoffrey, it also got its own official release beyond the MK64 bundle.
All Made In Japan.

My point is that it was all the more reason to use the MIJ Grey shell to paint whatever "precoat" Nintendo used to apply the finishing gold paint to the MK64 Gold Controllers because it has a rougher texture for it to adhere to.

Fast forward a year later, the process was obviously refined with the introduction of the NP100 controller and all following Gold controllers to come with the use of the TAN shell instead.

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@ No64DD. I completely agree with the above findings. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me while staring at my MK64GC's worn grey spots compared to a regular N64 China made controller. I can and could noticeably tell that the Made in Japan MK64GC's grey worn spots seemed to be a near pearl grey compared to China Made grey. Im my opinion the Japan made was nearly a milky ghostly peral grey in my opinion. It is quite hard to discern as my controller of comparison the MK64GC is 99% covered in Gold making the field of comparison very narrow. Yes the inside is grey but clear coated making comparisons again a bit difficult. Where it is most noticeable on my MK64GC is on the outside back of the controller where it has been worn down from resting on hard surfaces. There is where I noticed the grey seemed different. Thanks for sharing as this is adding more to the conclusive evidence and furthering it's identifiable characteristics, separating the MK64GC further and further from all the China made gold N64 controllers that it has been confused with over the past two decades.
Edited by Deadmoneycash, Feb 25 2018, 03:44 PM.
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how bout Gold Japanese controllers, are they exactly like the MK64GC ?

I do have the congratulation card and I did posted it in your welcome thread, you might use it if you want. If you want more shot, lemme know.
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Feb 25 2018, 04:26 PM
how bout Gold Japanese controllers, are they exactly like the MK64GC ?

Are you referring to the japanese MK64 Gold controller contest?
It would have to be. It's as early as this one, and it's Made In Japan.
Our fellow member Darklink has one, and there are ways to tell without opening it.
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I have a feeling that this might get even more freaky 😬😬
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No64DD
Feb 25 2018, 04:36 PM
Cabanon
Feb 25 2018, 04:26 PM
how bout Gold Japanese controllers, are they exactly like the MK64GC ?

Are you referring to the japanese MK64 Gold controller contest?
It would have to be. It's as early as this one, and it's Made In Japan.
Our fellow member Darklink has one, and there are ways to tell without opening it.
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no. I meant the standard sold in store controller.

that Japanese Contest i've heard of but the origin of this contest is still very unknown.
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This has been an awesome read!! I think I still have the list of winners I requested from Nintendo as I was a very strange case in winning. I only entered the contest once as the official rules say you can enter as many times as you want(I totally missed this 21 years ago but it is necessary for what I am about to tell you). Well one day in the early summer I got a envelope from Nintendo containing the 5 minute phone card(I still have this). Well we went on vacation that summer and when we got back there was a small plain cardboard box from Nintendo waiting for me(I was honestly surprised that no one took it but again it could have also been delivered the day we got back from vacation. In that box was the gold Mario Kart controller with the congratulations card. I was not expecting that at all. I ended up requesting the list of winners after receiving both just to see how that happened. On the list I was only listed in the section of phone card winners. I still have my Mario Kart controller with the made in Japan up top. I kept the thing in pristine condition and actually never used it more than 2 or 3 times. I treated it as a trophy or like some rare one of a kind item. On top of that I had a few other controllers(1 original gray, 2 black and 1 also barely used DK64 Banana controller) and even to this day I still prefer to use my one all black controller over all the others.

After reading this I am going to have to look for the winners list and take the gold controller apart for research purposes. Honestly I will probably get around to taking apart the controller before I get a chance to dig out the winner list. The good thing is that if I still have the winners list I know exactly where it is in one of 2 locations. If it is not there then I no longer have it.

Here are a few pics showing the controller, the top made in Japan marking, the congrats card outside and inside, and the calling card front and back.

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@ Alkatrazz, thanks for your wonderful contribution to the thread! You have further Illustrated the differences that we are discussing thus further separating the MK64GC from its China made tan plastic Replicant.

If you do in fact take apart your MK64GC please take some pictures for us and share them here. I for one personally would be very excited to see at least a 2nd MK64GC opened up and documented here on this thread at Nintendo 64 Forever! It is understandable if you are reluctant to do so as this is your childhood trophy and part of your gamer Legacy. Do only what you're comfortable with. So far your contribution is great! A background story with pictures of confirmation. Wonderful!
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I have taken apart just about every controller I ever owned. The N64 being one of the last of the simplest that I have taken apart. I used to take my black N64 controller apart just to give it a good cleaning and add a small amount of silicone to the stick so that it wouldn't get that powder everywhere. These controllers came apart and went together pretty good so long as the Z button underneath was lined up correctly. I remember there being a way that it would end up mushy and not pop up and down like it should if done incorrectly.
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Feb 25 2018, 04:26 PM
I do have the congratulation card and I did posted it in your welcome thread, you might use it if you want. If you want more shot, lemme know.
@ Cabanon, if you could include some pictures here in this thread that would be great! I feel it stands as a greater confirmation for all readers if other people can post there MK64GC here in this thread instead of myself adding someone else's pictures. If you would be so kind to do so? Also if you could make sure you get the stamp on top that should say "Made in Japan". To go the extra mile you could somehow get the made in Japan stamp and congratulations card in one picture. Thus further confirming the two are synonymous with each other.
Houghton0609
Feb 25 2018, 04:41 PM
I have a feeling that this might get even more freaky 😬😬
I'd say by Leaps and Bounds!
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Hey I just noticed that if you look at the picture I posted with the top of the controller with the made in Japan on there, if you click it and look at it zoomed in you can clearly see that the inside is gray and not the tan plastic.
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Feb 25 2018, 04:26 PM
how bout Gold Japanese controllers, are they exactly like the MK64GC ?

Are you referring to the japanese MK64 Gold controller contest?
It would have to be. It's as early as this one, and it's Made In Japan.
Our fellow member Darklink has one, and there are ways to tell without opening it.
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no. I meant the standard sold in store controller.

that Japanese Contest i've heard of but the origin of this contest is still very unknown.
To the best of my knowledge all gold N64 controllers that were ever sold on a shelf in Japan are actually stamped on top "Made in China". To the best of my knowledge no gold N64 controller was ever sold on a shelf or rack new from Nintendo stamped with "Made in Japan". A fully Gold N64 controller with the stamp "Made in Japan" is synonymous to the Mario Kart 64: Nintendo Power Cup contest exclusively. If I am misunderstanding the question please let me know. Thanks.
ALKATRAZZ
Feb 26 2018, 05:09 AM
Hey I just noticed that if you look at the picture I posted with the top of the controller with the made in Japan on there, if you click it and look at it zoomed in you can clearly see that the inside is gray and not the tan plastic.
Alkatrazz, I stole your picture and circled the area to further illustrate to the readers. It seems like a manufacturer error where the spray was not angled properly to fill in that corner. Posted Image
**UPDATE:** I have updated the picture to include a second circled area that No64DD has pointed out, thats rite where the power cord enters the controller casing there is visible GREY plastic again! Great work No64DD!
Edited by Deadmoneycash, Feb 26 2018, 09:07 AM.
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no. I meant the standard sold in store controller.

that Japanese Contest i've heard of but the origin of this contest is still very unknown.
To the best of my knowledge all gold N64 controllers that were ever sold on a shelf in Japan are actually stamped on top "Made in China". To the best of my knowledge no gold N64 controller was ever sold on a shelf or rack new from Nintendo stamped with "Made in Japan". A fully Gold N64 controller with the stamp "Made in Japan" is synonymous to the Mario 64: Nintendo Power Cup contest exclusively. If I am misunderstanding the question please let me know. Thanks.
ALKATRAZZ
Feb 26 2018, 05:09 AM
Hey I just noticed that if you look at the picture I posted with the top of the controller with the made in Japan on there, if you click it and look at it zoomed in you can clearly see that the inside is gray and not the tan plastic.
Alkatrazz, I stole your picture and circled the area to further illustrate to the readers. It seems like a manufacturer error where the spray was not angled properly to fill in that corner. Posted Image
Yeah I noticed that right after I posted about the inside. I'll still open it to get a look at the circuit board and see if there is a sticker on there. I also noticed that the back of that card shows that they were also numbered so there are literally only 5000 of those things. I remember using my 5 minutes to call the Nintendo tip line to get button combo to make Shang Tsung morph in to Baraka in Mortal Kombat Trilogy on N64. At the time the guides only had the combo for all the other versions where the N64 version was different. I even memorized it so I would never for get it so that card actually had a memorable use. RN,RN,LP,BL Still haven't forgotten it
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I remember using my 5 minutes to call the Nintendo tip line to get button combo to make Shang Tsung morph in to Baraka in Mortal Kombat Trilogy on N64. I even memorized it so I would never for get it so that card actually had a memorable use. RN,RN,LP,BL Still haven't forgotten it
@Alkatrazz, that is hands-down the best use I have ever heard for one of those 5 minute call cards! And you still remember the morph code! Out of this world good! I truly love these background stories of contestant winners.
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Welcome ALKATRAZZ.
Thanks for joining and sharing!
Great story!
The calling card reminds me of the one i recieved through Wal-Mart and the Ncrew.

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I remember using a portion of this to call Nintendo. Being on hold factored in and it went very quickly! :lol:

Anyway, we now have 3 owners of this Nintendo Power MK64 Gold controller dwelling here. I've helped create a monster.

As Deadmoneycash said, contribute what you are comfortble with.
As your pictures show, you can see beyond the gold in some spots.
It's even possible to see color limits where the cord exits the controller. :yeah:
It's safe to say that not all Gold controllers are painted equally.

Again, feel free to share your findings, and good luck on finding the potential name list.
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In light of keeping things moving forward I will now post pictures of the Nintendo Power 100th issue Gold N64 controller. Now I personally do not own this controller and have taken these pictures off the internet. In hopes of further illustrating the differences between MK64GC's and "Made in China" Gold controllers with Tan plastic.

The Nintendo Power 100 issue Gold N64 controller was available by order only through a Nintendo Super Power Supplies catalog in 1997. This controller, the Nintendo Power 100 Gold N64 controller is the 3rd ever released Gold related N64 controller and the FIRST ever FULL Gold N64 controller to be stamped "Made in China" as well as the first ever full Gold N64 controller to be made entirely of the TAN plastic that every single Gold N64 controller to come was and has continue to have been made from and stamped with. All of the NP100 Gold controllers are stamped on top "Made in China" and are made from Tan plastic. The amount of these that were released is unknown to me. I'm sure someone here may have an estimate. Hopefully another member of this group can post similar pictures that I am about to, in relation to the NP100 Gold controller. There should be enough of these out there that it should be doable. At the release of this controller there still had not been a publicly released store-bought version of a gold N64 controller yet. This controller was as close as one can get to likes of a store-bought gold N64 controller at the time of its release. This was the first ever Gold N64 controller to be sold to the public, but by mail order only.

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Gold NP100 N64 controller with damage. Notice the TAN plastic under the Gold paint in the damaged areas.
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More damage and more TAN plastic.
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I'd like to reiterate now that these pictures of the above Gold NP100 N64 controller are not mine. The controller is not mine. I took the pictures from the internet. I can say and state at this moment there are nearly half a dozen of these on eBay right now. And each one that shows damage will have in fact TAN plastic and if there is a picture of the top you will see that it always says "Made in China".


I show these pictures in hopes of further illustrating that we are separating the MK64GC further and further from its other gold counterparts. Systematically working through a timeline.
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Deadmoneycash wanted to see some insides of controllers, so i wanted to showcase the japanese MK64 Black/Grey controller. Made In Japan
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I honestly wasn't sure what to expect upon opening it, but it is here for good measure since it is Mario Kart 64 related.
There are some differences compared to the other Made in Japan controllers, but it does have the resistors.
Aside from the Grey shell having the number 6, i found it interesting that the Black shell and the black thumbstick housing both have the number 5.

Keep in mind that this controller was a template for other Black/Grey controllers, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that it has small differences. This example is the version bundled with MK64, but it should be treated as it's own animal. Literally!
There are a Lion and Giraffe on the other Black/Grey controllers.


Okay, now who's ready for some more gold?? :)

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as requested. I do not have anymore picture at the moment. I can confirm that "MADE IN JAPAN" is written on it. Dan asked me about it back in November 2015, I just never confirmed to him with a picture. If it is indeed true that all gold are made in china", then the hunt it on I suppose. If anyone has one of those Nintendo calling card, i'll gladly take it to add with my controller.
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That is awesome cabanon!
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No64DD
Feb 26 2018, 12:45 PM
Okay, now who's ready for some more gold?? :)

You know I am!
@ No64DD, your Mario Kart Black & Grey bundle controller is an animal on its own. The PCB back all around breaks down barriers. Its a mix of what we knew as Japan made & China made & the unknown. This for sure brings a new spice to the mysteries that we are trying to unravel. A welcomed contribution and a headache. Haha.
@Cabanon, thank you for your contribution! Another MK64GC added to the thread with a verbal confirmation of "Made in Japan". Please do add a picture of the top "Made in Japan" if you find time to do so. We all would appreciate it greatly. Also see if there is any Grey plastic showing anywhere around the power cord or up in the corners like Alkatrazz had. Or perhaps on the back side where it rest on flat surfaces like mine . If there is any wear on your controller. Thanks again!
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If Cananon says it's Made in Japan, then it is confirmed.
He is this site's first owner of this controller and i appreciate his input.
Thanks for sharing mate.



Here is my NP100 controller. I'm an original owner.
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You can easily pull the cord down to see the color underneath, as well as in the seam.
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Tan of course. Quite a bit to take in here.

The ink stamp in the bottom left corner is an 8, but looks smudged. So the individual wrote it bigger in the middle, but not after switching markers after testing that one marker was getting low. :lol:
I'm only speculating at the moment about why the number 8 is written in the middle.
Besides that, i'm starting to think that the 97 is the year these chipboards are recorded as.

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Nice No64DD! Another first! The insides of a Nintendo Power 100th issue special Gold N64 controller from the Nintendo Power Super Supplies Catalog! Stamped "Made in China" and made with TAN plastic. The trend continues! One thing that is becoming evident is the insides of these controllers are throwing up questions. I see yellow and black resistors on the back of this PCB. They were originally thought to only be in/on Japan made controllers PCB's. The amount of handwriting in this controller is intriguing.
Just throwing this out there. It seems fitting. This is not a list of winners but of qualifying times. As it states the contest is still going on. One thing I have noticed from this list of 41 "Qualifying Times" is 3 of them are from Canada. 2 from Ontario and 1 from British Columbia. It seems over here in the states the contest must have actually been for North America and not just United States. Not surprising, but interesting. In return eliminating the possibility of a different unique grand prize for Canada and thinning the North American release of MK64GC's between the two continents. In my opinion adding to the increased scarcity of the MK64GC.

Nintendo Power volume #96, May 1997.
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Pg #76.
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Pg #77.
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Overload!!
Look under Wario. I went to school with Ryan Ross. He was in my sister's grade. Guess he didn't make the cut.
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Overload!!
Look under Wario. I went to school with Ryan Ross. He was in my sister's grade. Guess he didn't make the cut.
Now that is amazing No64DD! His name was entered but obviously was not drawn when they drew for the 1000 winners. Imagine seeing your name in Nintendo power as a eligible entry and then never receiving the MK64GC! Kinda harsh! I think these above pages put to rest the rumor that Nintendo did not give out all of the 1,000 MK64GC do to people finding the shortcut over the wall. Due to the fact that page #76 states "Pit Row is buzzing with rumors about a shortcut on the course." Coupled with the fact that the guy you knew "Ryan Ross" apparently did not receive a MK64GC.
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Feb 25 2018, 12:10 PM
Speaking of discerning color and texture, i wanted to bring up the other MK64 controller. The Black/Grey japanese MK64 controller.
Made in Japan

The reason i point this out is because there is a difference in color and texture between the two. It has been said before about this Made in Japan controller that people can attest to, although it is not that easy to see and describe.

Here is a better picture of the color difference.
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Not only was this two tone controller used as a template for other Made In Japan controllers like the Hello Mac and Geoffrey, it also got its own official release beyond the MK64 bundle.
All Made In Japan.
Ah yes I remember pointing out the colour difference with the Black/Grey MK64 controller in this thread a few years back!! -> http://s9.zetaboards.com/Nintendo_64_Forever/topic/7292767/1/
Oh man it's been almost 7 years already! Feeling such a strong sense of nostalgia now hahaha...
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@Shangyou,
Things are coming full circle. ;)
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