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what happened to the ......; SEPTA route
Topic Started: Feb 23 2007, 08:04 AM (2,126 Views)
ctrabs74
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CACrafter88bk2504
Apr 5 2007, 04:35 PM
SEPTA really needs to eliminate the 130 and extend the 14 into Newtown & resume revenue service through Hulmeville.

If SEPTA extended the 14 to Newtown, have it leave from Nehsaminy via Rockhill Road, Old Lincoln Highway, Street Road west to somewhere where 413 would connect then have the 14 run to Bucks County Community College.

Yes provide service on the 14 through Newtown on Sundays as well.

No, no, no, a thousand times no...

Ridership in Newtown in no way justifies routing the 14 from the Langhorne area. We're not talking about a major suburban destination like West Chester, Ardmore, Chester, or Springfield Mall. I highly doubt there would ever be enough ridership to justify a route between Newtown and Frankford.

Also, Frontier's operating costs are significantly less than those in the City Transit Division. That in and of itself would put cold water on any attempt to extend the 14 to Newtown.
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NewFlyer8119
Apr 4 2007, 08:44 AM
whatever happened to the 202 and the 203, were they just cut due to the new budget plan in 2001 or were they just lost causes for buses

Route 202 was initiated in 1995 as a joint project between SEPTA and DelDOT to connect West Chester and Wilmington. Around 1998, the 202 bus was cut back to the new Brandywine Town Center parking lot just south of the state line at the same time the 314 bus between Goshen Corporate Park and Larkin's Corner was created. About a year or two later, the 202 was eliminated; the 314 between West Chester and Larkin's Corner was cut around 2004 when the Chester City area route changes were implemented.

The 203 between Woodbourne Station (R3 West Trenton) and Oxford Valley was funded as part of the massive Bucks County route restructuring in 2000-01 through a CMAQ grant. Once the funding expired, the route was eliminated. No real loss there, as there was practically no ridership to speak of on that line.
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ctrabs74
Apr 7 2007, 07:06 PM
CACrafter88bk2504
Apr 5 2007, 04:35 PM
SEPTA really needs to eliminate the 130 and extend the 14 into Newtown & resume revenue service through Hulmeville.

If SEPTA extended the 14 to Newtown, have it leave from Nehsaminy via Rockhill Road, Old Lincoln Highway, Street Road west to somewhere where 413 would connect then have the 14 run to Bucks County Community College.

Yes provide service on the 14 through Newtown on Sundays as well.

No, no, no, a thousand times no...

Ridership in Newtown in no way justifies routing the 14 from the Langhorne area. We're not talking about a major suburban destination like West Chester, Ardmore, Chester, or Springfield Mall. I highly doubt there would ever be enough ridership to justify a route between Newtown and Frankford.

Also, Frontier's operating costs are significantly less than those in the City Transit Division. That in and of itself would put cold water on any attempt to extend the 14 to Newtown.

There goes an opportunity for Frankford & Comly operators to get some more heavy runs under their belts.

I'm a gung ho SEPTA City Transit Division supporter(TWU local 234 forever). I can't resist.

My goodness, nearly halfway through this 4 year contract between SEPTA management & TWU local 234 SEPTA City Transit Division operators.
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ctrabs74
Apr 7 2007, 11:06 PM
CACrafter88bk2504
Apr 5 2007, 04:35 PM
SEPTA really needs to eliminate the 130 and extend the 14 into Newtown & resume revenue service through Hulmeville.

If SEPTA extended the 14 to Newtown, have it leave from Nehsaminy via Rockhill Road, Old Lincoln Highway, Street Road west to somewhere where 413 would connect then have the 14 run to Bucks County Community College.

Yes provide service on the 14 through Newtown on Sundays as well.

No, no, no, a thousand times no...

Ridership in Newtown in no way justifies routing the 14 from the Langhorne area. We're not talking about a major suburban destination like West Chester, Ardmore, Chester, or Springfield Mall. I highly doubt there would ever be enough ridership to justify a route between Newtown and Frankford.

Also, Frontier's operating costs are significantly less than those in the City Transit Division. That in and of itself would put cold water on any attempt to extend the 14 to Newtown.

The 14 to Newtown? Fugettaboutit! Now the 14 to Trenton? That might be doable, especially if the route stays on Rt.1/Lincoln Hwy [diverting onto Trenton Ave in Morrisville when the 127 is not operating.]. I figure that the travel time will take about 1 hour, 40 minutes [a really long route], but it would be feasible.

The only obstacle would be that CTD buses would have to cross state lines [something Frontier Buses normally do on the 127] and that the buses would be equipped with EZ Passes, but the logistics of such a route would not be a planning problem

Remember this run was done a long time ago when it was under TPC [Trenton-Phila Coach] which used 10 GM 5106 transits [painted Orange and White] 3240-3249. Then SEPTA assigned some of the 1200 GM T6H4521's, and the occasional 6300 Flxible to the run until the lines were revamped in the early 80's.
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CACrafter88bk2504
Apr 7 2007, 08:20 PM
ctrabs74
Apr 7 2007, 07:06 PM
CACrafter88bk2504
Apr 5 2007, 04:35 PM
SEPTA really needs to eliminate the 130 and extend the 14 into Newtown & resume revenue service through Hulmeville.

If SEPTA extended the 14 to Newtown, have it leave from Nehsaminy via Rockhill Road, Old Lincoln Highway, Street Road west to somewhere where 413 would connect then have the 14 run to Bucks County Community College.

Yes provide service on the 14 through Newtown on Sundays as well.

No, no, no, a thousand times no...

Ridership in Newtown in no way justifies routing the 14 from the Langhorne area. We're not talking about a major suburban destination like West Chester, Ardmore, Chester, or Springfield Mall. I highly doubt there would ever be enough ridership to justify a route between Newtown and Frankford.

Also, Frontier's operating costs are significantly less than those in the City Transit Division. That in and of itself would put cold water on any attempt to extend the 14 to Newtown.

There goes an opportunity for Frankford & Comly operators to get some more heavy runs under their belts.

I'm a gung ho SEPTA City Transit Division supporter(TWU local 234 forever). I can't resist.

My goodness, nearly halfway through this 4 year contract between SEPTA management & TWU local 234 SEPTA City Transit Division operators.

Frontier division is TWU Local 234 - they just always get the short end of the stick. That's why when the city goes on strike, it is all over the news, but people tend not to really know about Frontier division striking as well. "Suburban Transit Routes are running" Nope, not my 95 apparently....

Ctrabs brings up a good point about the operating costs as well. Frontier drivers get paid less than the CTD, for starters, not to mention the use of smaller buses putting out less energy/using less fuel (based on theories out there)

Also, having the 130 be eliminated (wow, why?) and have the 14 take over the service would cause a VERY long route extension (the 130 is a long route as it is), not to mention it would cause very unbalanced ridership.

Having the 14 or creating a new Frankford - Trenton route would be very interesting, though. However, to make it most attractive, I would make it an express/limited stop type of service to "speed the ride".

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The 14 having a long extension? Not necessarily:

Between Neshaminy & Franklin Mills Mall, service was once provided by route 20.

If things materlialized the way I would want them to be(likewise with Comly operators trying to make a few extra ends), the 20 would be re extended along the PA 132 corridor in Trevose.

As for the 14 being extended into Newotwn, there would be 4 divisions of the 14 serving Bucks County, as follows:

14-Bucks County Community College via Neshaminy Mall & Newtown
14-Oxford Valley Mall via Neshaminy Mall/Langhorne
14-Oxford Valley Mall via Neshaminy Mall/Hulmeville
14: Langhorne
14: Roosevelt Boulevard/City Line
14:IRS

Years ago, the 14 ran through Hulmeville & there were serveral trips earmarked for the old Philadelphia State Hospital along Southampton Road.

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CACrafter88bk2504
Apr 12 2007, 07:37 PM
As for the 14 being extended into Newotwn, there would be 4 divisions of the 14 serving Bucks County, as follows:

14-Bucks County Community College via Neshaminy Mall & Newtown
14-Oxford Valley Mall via Neshaminy Mall/Langhorne
14-Oxford Valley Mall via Neshaminy Mall/Hulmeville
14: Langhorne
14: Roosevelt Boulevard/City Line
14:IRS

There's absolutely NO way the 14 will go into Newtown, ESPECIALLY at the expense of the 130. Creighton is right in saying that ridership won't justify this long extension. This useless extension of the 14 would almost be as crazy as, let's say, re-instating the 203.
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what happened to the R's service to richmond and orthodox street. there are still R symbols on the bus signs along the 25.

also, why is there a 306 symbol at the PNC center along with 37,68, 108, and 305
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I think SEPTA runs service along the R between Frankford & Arrott to Richmond & Orthodox Streets between 2am & 4:50am, when service is suspended on the J through Bridesburg & Frankford.
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in my post about what about the 306, that's my mistake, the real question is:


why is there still a 304 symbol with the 37,68,108,and 305 at the PNC center
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