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What changed you would like to see in the CTD?
Topic Started: Jul 16 2007, 04:36 PM (5,308 Views)
redarrow5591
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Southern_8100
Jul 1 2008, 11:45 PM
redarrow5591
Jul 1 2008, 09:53 PM
Southern_8100
Jul 1 2008, 08:54 PM
SEPTA should discontinue the 108's Cutback of 67th & Elmwood & Have All buses terminating at either UPS or the Airport Business Center Via the Airport
Why? A vast majority of the ridership id north of Chester and Church. Its still only select (and poorly timed) trips get those crush crowds to the Airport or UPS (shift changes). Overnight, US Air, TSA and UPS gets done around three. While the 108 do run to UPS via the Airport all night, all three is getting done so what happens is the 2.30, 2.50, and 3.15 via Airport trips are SROed to at least Elmwood and Passyunk where workers get off to catch the 36 (the 3.00 from UPS bypasses the Airport). The last nightliner leaves UPS at 4.15 (4368 Block - Joe check this) and the first day straight leaves at 5.05. This gets REALLY screwy comes December.
You have a good point, because the 108 will always get crowded going through Yeadon. Past Elmwood Ave is quite tricky. Sometimes it is crowded , sometimes it is not. Only time it is gauranteed to be crowded is when the shift changes occur down at the Airport, UPS, & ABC

Btw There is one trip from 69th St. (2:10 to UPS). I do believe that bypasses the Airport & the PNC Center
Which returns as the 3.00 (Bypass the Airport). I should know.....I used to work at that dump.
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As stated before,the 108 ridership consist mainly of riders residing along the first 15 minutes of the line(Yeadon, Upper Darby, Long Lane).

The 108 between Chester Avenue & Church Lane to Woodland Avenue(& 65th Street) generates modest ridership patterns during the "B" schedule(June-September & when schools aren't in session). When the "A" schedule(September-June except when schools aren't in session) is effective, the ridership patterns on the 108 within the city limits consist of schoolchildren(north of 84th & Crane, 67th or 66th & Elmwood or along Woodland Avenue in general, as well as 66th & Chester Avenue) that can, at times, become sort of raunchy & over expressive. Factor that in with any traffic leaving the Airport & UPS in the mid afternoon hours or going to UPS in the morning hours, and this route can indeed be known as: "The Line Within Hell" or "Little Suburban Bus Line Gone Bad, Mad, and became Sad."
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Jun 26 2008, 04:03 AM
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ctrabs74Jun 25 2008, 07:29 PM
RE: Artics on the G and 47


Route 7: I believe around the same time the G was split between callowhill and southern, the 7 was split between southern and Allegheny. As I recall, on some occasions the 7 used to lay over at 27th and Allegheny. Doing this can result in reducing dead head times, if Allegheny had 40 ft busses.

Route 25: it currently runs out of Frankford only and going deep in to southern’s territory. It might improve service if it was split between Frankford and southern and reduce dead head times...

I once rode the 25 from Frankford TC to pier 70... (A one seat ride) and took what seemed like forever to get there...the next time I had to go from frankford TC to pier 70, I took the el and 57 and walked a few blocks. I shaved off over an hour in time for taking a less direct route with a 2 seat ride.


Routes 29 and 79: there has been a good bit of discussion on the boards here in regards to restoring these routes to trackless, frankly, I’m all for it. I’d like to see the additional 23 E40LFR option exercised. Unlikely it will ever happen. I do miss riding the AMG’s. They are relatively short routes (approx 6 miles round trip for either). The E40LFR’s, I think, would be more efficient to use here. I don’t know what condition the power sub-stations are in. the overhead wires all around do need major work as they are non-existent in the Tasker homes area at the western terminus and the wires currently end at the 29’s old eastern terminus at Front and Tasker (before the route was extended to pier 70). It has been suggested else where on this board to extend the wires to pier 70 or have the E40LFR run on the EPU to and from pier 70 and Front and Tasker.

The 79’s wires need work too. I believe they were last replaced around 1986 when the route was bustituted for 2-3 months for sewer reconstruction east of Water Street and a new trackless terminus was built between Front Street and Water Street. New wires were put up from there to Delaware ave after sewer reconstruction was completed.

The wires currently terminate at the switch on Water Street as more sewer reconstruction took place just a few years ago to accommodate the Columbus commons shopping center.


i also thought that some of the E40LFR testing should have been done on the 79 as the overhead wires were intact at the time from water and snyder to 29th and snyder and on the 29 from front and tasker to 23rd street and test the EPU where there are no wires

Also, the some wires in and around the southern depot have either been removed or tied off to the side. Repairing and/or replacing the overhead wires all around south philly may be too costly.
7 was split between Southern and Allegheny for many years and I believe it went entirely to Southern with the closure of Germantown in the early 90's. (3, which was split between Frankford and Allegheny, went entirely to Frankford about the same time.)

7 ran to 27th & Allegheny on Sundays and I believe that was revised in the early 90's change of most north-south South Phila routes (when 47 moved to 7th St, 57 took over the south end of 5, etc). As far as I know, this was a throwback to trolley days when 48 did not operate on Sundays - the 9 car took over Arch St operation and ran to 32nd & York anyway so 7 was kept on 29th St to provide thru service. Even after 48 went bus and went to 7-day operation, 7 kept this odd Sunday routing.

If you think 25 takes long end to end you probably never rode the old 5 (Frankford to 2nd & Oregon). Even when it made this run, back before today's traffic, schedules allowed an hour one way and that didn't account for delays under the El or in Center City.

Agree that 29 and 79 should return as trackless. The EPU would be helpful for extensions to Pier 70 on both routes as well as barn moves which would allow the non-revenue wire to come down.

Can't say that I recall that 79's wires were ever replaced other than the construction area east of Water St (and these, as I recall, were merely tied off to the side, so they may not have been replaced at all). The wires, as far as I know, date back to the original start of trackless service in '61. I know 29's are very old - may also be the original - and there are splices all over the place, which would indicate that new wire would be needed if tracklesses return.
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thanks for refreshing my memory, philabob1, and please correct me if i am wrong :)

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7 was split between Southern and Allegheny for many years and I believe it went entirely to Southern with the closure of Germantown in the early 90's.

7 ran to 27th & Allegheny on Sundays and I believe that was revised in the early 90's change of most north-south South Phila routes (when 47 moved to 7th St, 57 took over the south end of 5, etc). As far as I know, this was a throwback to trolley days when 48 did not operate on Sundays - the 9 car took over Arch St operation and ran to 32nd & York anyway so 7 was kept on 29th St to provide thru service. Even after 48 went bus and went to 7-day operation, 7 kept this odd Sunday routing.


sunday service - 27th and allegheny

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If you think 25 takes long end to end you probably never rode the old 5 (Frankford to 2nd & Oregon). Even when it made this run, back before today's traffic, schedules allowed an hour one way and that didn't account for delays under the El or in Center City.


i remember the 5 pretty good, actually, but you are correct, i never did get to ride the full length of it,always wanted to just to see how long of it ride it was. i took it from oregon ave to center city a few times. to this day, my ex wife still calls it the 5 on second street and i had to keep correcting her "its not the 5 any more , it's the 57 now and has been for years" ...lol

there was nothing like seeing the (then brand new neo's) 8280's and upper 8300's pulling up on oregon ave bcak in 1983. as the 5' was the only route wit neo's running in the 19148 area at the time, from what i can recall. i didnt see a neo on the 47 until 1985 when 8401 passed by my house on 8th street for the first time

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Agree that 29 and 79 should return as trackless. The EPU would be helpful for extensions to Pier 70 on both routes as well as barn moves which would allow the non-revenue wire to come down.


yep.. agreed..and those non revenue wires are probably in worse shape as there is alot of green corrosion on the wires at 21st street (south of wolf) and on 22nd street.. looks as bad as the 23's turn bcak wire on snyder ave

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Can't say that I recall that 79's wires were ever replaced other than the construction area east of Water St (and these, as I recall, were merely tied off to the side, so they may not have been replaced at all). The wires, as far as I know, date back to the original start of trackless service in '61. I know 29's are very old - may also be the original - and there are splices all over the place, which would indicate that new wire would be needed if tracklesses return.


agreed ... i've seen numerous splices in some areas of the 29 and i do not doubt the wires been there since 1961 as well as portions of the 79's. i do believe all of the switches and crossovers are also original, wit the exception of the ones for the 79's water street loop. i remember watching them get installed in 1986

i was in this area about a month ago.currently,the wires are tied off just past the water street switch going east. some small parts between weccacoe ave and delaware ave were removed. dilworth st and around on to delaware ave are mostly intact

in my high school years (1982-1986), i used to do a fair amount of bicycle riding along snyder ave (various points between snyder plaza and 26th street) going to/from school, friends houses, etc. as well as riding the old AMG's 800-844. around the areas i rode, i took notice of trucks on snyder ave at night for several weeks replacing segments of wire bcak in 1986. on those night rides i would hear the wires deflecting from an AMG coming up behind me and i looked up and saw shiny new copper wires on one side of the street and greenish colored wires on the other, the amg about a block away. i dont know if all of the wires were replaced in 1986,and it appeared the switches and crossovers were not replaced. for the most part, these are some of the areas i can recall

also, in that time (summer of 1986) southern's AMG's started getting repainted with the original "neoplan livery" complete wit the grey around the windows. the first 2 i saw and remember was 817 followed by the 829 a week later, both on the 79.

i would like to see the E40LFR counterparts running on these 2 routes




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