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What changed you would like to see in the CTD?
Topic Started: Jul 16 2007, 04:36 PM (5,311 Views)
Neoei3318
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A signaling system on the BSS that does not involve stopping the train (local or express) at the Ridge Avenue interlocking after leaving Girard Station. (Sometimes the switch has to be reset during rush hour).

The Rt. 1 Restructured as a Roosevelt Blvd express serving FTC and Neshaminy Mall.

The Bathrooms at FTC cleaned... more than once a week (EDIT)

Artics on the 17, 47 & G.

Overhaul the PA Announcement system. The 12 no longer serves market Street and the route 63 DOES NOT EXIST anymore so why are those announcement still being played on the 17, 23 & 47?
Edited by Neoei3318, Jun 25 2008, 04:03 PM.
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Southern_8100
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Oh btw...

Does anyone knoe when (and why) the 108 went completely to victory?

Me personally i thought it was better split between Southern and Victory
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Give the 23 express service in both directions via Lincoln Drive and I-76 after stopping at Germantown and Chelten Avenues.
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I mainly see 2-3 car consists on the spur.
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Southern_8100
Jun 25 2008, 03:51 PM
Oh btw...

Does anyone knoe when (and why) the 108 went completely to victory?

Me personally i thought it was better split between Southern and Victory
About three years ago. Nobody knew the exact reason (but unofficially excessive deadhead times and the 8000 delivery.)
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RE: 108

I think the real reason the 108 was made entirely Red Arrow was a cost savings measure (ie. slightly lower wage rates for Red Arrow drivers compared to CTD). The deadhead arguement makes no sense in that Southern runs could've started at the Airport instead of deadheading to 69 St (then again, there are a lot of deadhead moves that make no sense).

RE: Restructured 1 to Neshaminy

I like the idea of an express run between Bridge-Pratt and Neshaminy, but the 1 is the wrong choice. Your suggestion essentially cuts of North and Northwest Philadelphia from the Roosevelt Blvd corridor.

What SEPTA should do is create a new route that runs a limited stop routing between Bridge-Pratt and the Phila./Bucks County line, express via US 1 Bypass to Neshaminy Mall, then via Old Route 1 to Oxford Valley (the Langhorne routing could easily be covered by the 127).

RE: 23 Express

I didn't think buses were allowed on Lincoln Drive.

RE: Artics on the G and 47

Perhaps if/when a replacement depot for Callowhill opens (hopefully in my lifetime), the G can be split between Callowhill and Southern as it used to be (and as it should've been).

As for the 47, perhaps they can move a few artics off of the 22 and/or 55 and send them over to the 47 during peak hours.
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ctrabs74
Jun 25 2008, 07:29 PM
RE: Artics on the G and 47

Perhaps if/when a replacement depot for Callowhill opens (hopefully in my lifetime), the G can be split between Callowhill and Southern as it used to be (and as it should've been).

As for the 47, perhaps they can move a few artics off of the 22 and/or 55 and send them over to the 47 during peak hours.
No, the 22 and 55 need the artics.
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Yeah but you could always take the artics off of routes where they aren't really needed (like rt. 27)
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ctrabs74Jun 25 2008, 07:29 PM
RE: Artics on the G and 47

Perhaps if/when a replacement depot for Callowhill opens (hopefully in my lifetime), the G can be split between Callowhill and Southern as it used to be (and as it should've been).


Agreed, it should reduce dead head times as well

According to this, it just might happen:

FISCAL YEARS 2013-2020 CAPITAL PROGRAM (Years 5-12)
PROJECT DESCRIPTIONS

Page 71
http://www.septa.org/inside/reports/CB09_Budget_Proposed_Internet.pdf

Callowhill Garage Replacement ($115,600,000)
This project provides for the replacement of the 95-year old Callowhill Garage, which is located at 59th Street and Callowhill Street.
The Callowhill Garage, which was originally constructed as a trolley car barn, is ill equipped to support the needs of a modern bus fleet.
A myriad of deficiencies and limitations currently exist at this garage, such as the poor condition of the roof and underground drains;
Obsolete equipment; and narrow bus storage bays, which limit vehicle maneuverability. The new facility will also include a new light rail
shop and storage yard. The light rail shop will be used to perform running repairs for SEPTA’s light rail vehicles operating on the
Route 10 and Route 15 Light Rail Lines.

Restoring routes 23 and 56 to light rail are also in this proposal on page 72

Route 7: I believe around the same time the G was split between callowhill and southern, the 7 was split between southern and Allegheny. As I recall, on some occasions the 7 used to lay over at 27th and Allegheny. Doing this can result in reducing dead head times, if Allegheny had 40 ft busses.

Routes 17, 37, 47: agreed… does need arctics…with out sacrificing headways. Southern depot should be refitted to handle some maintenance for the arctics. If the 47 got some arctics. I’m sure some (if not all) would come out of Midvale

Route 25: it currently runs out of Frankford only and going deep in to southern’s territory. It might improve service if it was split between Frankford and southern and reduce dead head times...

I once rode the 25 from Frankford TC to pier 70... (A one seat ride) and took what seemed like forever to get there...the next time I had to go from frankford TC to pier 70, I took the el and 57 and walked a few blocks. I shaved off over an hour in time for taking a less direct route with a 2 seat ride.

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CACrafter88bk2504 Jun 21 2008, 11:06 PM Post #71

The changes I would like to see are as follows:

Make the 29 & 79 trackless routes again. I't relatively easy to do. I'd be greatful if Southern got 10 to 15 trackless units.


agreed...

Routes 29 and 79: there has been a good bit of discussion on the boards here in regards to restoring these routes to trackless, frankly, I’m all for it. I’d like to see the additional 23 E40LFR option exercised. Unlikely it will ever happen. I do miss riding the AMG’s. They are relatively short routes (approx 6 miles round trip for either). The E40LFR’s, I think, would be more efficient to use here. I don’t know what condition the power sub-stations are in. the overhead wires all around do need major work as they are non-existent in the Tasker homes area at the western terminus and the wires currently end at the 29’s old eastern terminus at Front and Tasker (before the route was extended to pier 70). It has been suggested else where on this board to extend the wires to pier 70 or have the E40LFR run on the EPU to and from pier 70 and Front and Tasker.

The 79’s wires need work too. I believe they were last replaced around 1986 when the route was bustituted for 2-3 months for sewer reconstruction east of Water Street and a new trackless terminus was built between Front Street and Water Street. New wires were put up from there to Delaware ave after sewer reconstruction was completed.

The wires currently terminate at the switch on Water Street as more sewer reconstruction took place just a few years ago to accommodate the Columbus commons shopping center.


i also thought that some of the E40LFR testing should have been done on the 79 as the overhead wires were intact at the time from water and snyder to 29th and snyder and on the 29 from front and tasker to 23rd street and test the EPU where there are no wires

Also, the some wires in and around the southern depot have either been removed or tied off to the side. Repairing and/or replacing the overhead wires all around south philly may be too costly.
Edited by frankl3217, Jun 26 2008, 05:01 AM.
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I was thinking since Everyone is so concerned with Gas Prices and All. Septa should order more Kawasaki K Cars and restore lines 23, 56. Lines like 6, 53, and 60 should be Trackless, restore 29 and 79 in SouthPhilly. Maybe build a Light rail trolley line BLVD to Casino, maybe a lightrail trolley along the Schykill expressway ??
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