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SEPTA Operating Budget Proposal; Expansion across the board
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SEPTA posted it's proposed FY 2009 operating budget last week, which features 65 proposed service enhancements. Some of the highlights:

Initiatives to Address Overcrowding

Route 14 to use all artics to improve capacity (unless they did some major improvements to Comly Depot, it looks like Midvale will probably be getting the 14 come this fall)
Improved peak hour frequencies on the 17, 18, 21, 23, 26, 42, 47, 70, and R
Route 53 to use all 40-ft buses (they weren't before?)
Increased peak hour service on the 94, 104, 108, 109, 112
Increased mid-day service on the 96
Increased weekend (saturday evening and Sunday) service on the 113
Additional weekend round trips on the 124 and 125
Two westbound AM peak trips on the 124
Added trips at mall closing time on the 125

Expanded peak hour service

Increased peak service on the 8, 31, 56, 57, 93, J & K
14 new peak hour round trips on the 201
Extension of the #514 (R5 Paoli/Thorndale) to Thorndale; currently departs Malvern at 05:16

Expanded off-peak/weekend service

Increased weekend service on the 7, 58
Restored mid-day service on the 8
Added weeknight service to Bridge-Pratt on 26
Increased Sunday service on the 28 (to match Saturday schedule)
Increased mid-day service on the 31
New OWL service on the 37
Increased mid-day and evening service on the 40
Increased evening and weekend service on the 70
Extend two Sunday evening trips on the 93 to Pottstown
Extended Sunday evening service on the 96 and 99
Increased Sunday service on the P&W (Route 100)
Increased mid-day service on the 101/102
Daily evening service on the 105
Extend all 108 weekend trips from 67-Elmwood to Philadelphia International Airport
Extended Saturday service to Chadds Ford and new hourly Sunday service on the 111
15 minute mid-day service between 69 St and Darby on the 113
Improved weekend service (from 3 round trips to 2 hour service) on the 120
New Sunday service on the 129
Increased Saturday service on the K & the R
Late night Friday and Saturday service on R5 between Center City and Malvern; R6 between Elm Street/Norristown and Center City; and between Center City and Trenton (both directions) on R7

It would've been nice if they restored 30 minute Sunday service to West Chester on the 104. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA ends up keep ing a lot more NABI's in service when the DE40LFR's enter service.
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Wow, that looks great! Sunday service in Bucks County (outside of the former 20 routing) stellar!

No good changes directly hit my town, although the 96 service until 11 PM will certainly help! I would be able to stay out past sundown on Sundays now!

I highly agree with the expansion of rt 26 evening service. Those Frankford TC buses get way too packed.
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ctrabs74
Mar 4 2008, 11:57 PM
SEPTA posted it's proposed FY 2009 operating budget last week, which features 65 proposed service enhancements. Some of the highlights:

Initiatives to Address Overcrowding

Route 14 to use all artics to improve capacity (unless they did some major improvements to Comly Depot, it looks like Midvale will probably be getting the 14 come this fall)
Improved peak hour frequencies on the 17, 18, 21, 23, 26, 42, 47, 70, and R
Route 53 to use all 40-ft buses (they weren't before?)
Increased peak hour service on the 94, 104, 108, 109, 112
Increased mid-day service on the 96
Increased weekend (saturday evening and Sunday) service on the 113
Additional weekend round trips on the 124 and 125
Two westbound AM peak trips on the 124
Added trips at mall closing time on the 125

Expanded peak hour service

Increased peak service on the 8, 31, 56, 57, 93, J & K
14 new peak hour round trips on the 201
Extension of the #514 (R5 Paoli/Thorndale) to Thorndale; currently departs Malvern at 05:16

Expanded off-peak/weekend service

Increased weekend service on the 7, 58
Restored mid-day service on the 8
Added weeknight service to Bridge-Pratt on 26
Increased Sunday service on the 28 (to match Saturday schedule)
Increased mid-day service on the 31
New OWL service on the 37
Increased mid-day and evening service on the 40
Increased evening and weekend service on the 70
Extend two Sunday evening trips on the 93 to Pottstown
Extended Sunday evening service on the 96 and 99
Increased Sunday service on the P&W (Route 100)
Increased mid-day service on the 101/102
Daily evening service on the 105
Extend all 108 weekend trips from 67-Elmwood to Philadelphia International Airport
Extended Saturday service to Chadds Ford and new hourly Sunday service on the 111
15 minute mid-day service between 69 St and Darby on the 113
Improved weekend service (from 3 round trips to 2 hour service) on the 120
New Sunday service on the 129
Increased Saturday service on the K & the R
Late night Friday and Saturday service on R5 between Center City and Malvern; R6 between Elm Street/Norristown and Center City; and between Center City and Trenton (both directions) on R7

It would've been nice if they restored 30 minute Sunday service to West Chester on the 104. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA ends up keep ing a lot more NABI's in service when the DE40LFR's enter service.

I do remember hearing something about the 14 moving to Midvale to be able to use artics. The only problem I have is with the complexity of the route not to mention the interlining with the 20, I don't think it would be all artics. I'm thinking maybe a split operation between Midvale and Comly. Route 53 to use all 40 foot buses? Well I do see lawnmowers on there mixed in with the 40 footers even during the middays. Increased peak hour service on the 109 I hope they do something about the overcrowding on the 3:40 PM trip to Chester on weekdays. They need to make the 109 every 15 minutes between 3 and 4 on weekdays. The increased weekend service on the 113 will be fully welcome. They could definately use more evening service on the 26 to FTC. That portion of the route does haul. I'm not totally sure if the 31 needs to operate every 20 minutes during the middays instead of every 30 minutes. My guess is the new OWL service on the 37 would terminate at Harrah's Chester. Having it run to CTC would give the 109 something to connect to during the middle of the night at CTC though. Frontier definately needs better Sunday evening service. People stay out later on Sundays nowadays than they used to. Evening service would be a welcome sight for the 105. Sunday service would be a welcome sight on the 111 and would give State Road between Lansdowne Avenue and Township Line Road Sunday service for the first time in decades. 15 minute midday service on the 113 to Darby would help alleviate some of the overcrowding problems. Regular weekend service on the 120? Oh boy! Sunday service on the 129? That is going to be interesting. I wonder if they'll consisder Sunday service on the 150 to go along with that.
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ctrabs74
Mar 4 2008, 11:57 PM
SEPTA posted it's proposed FY 2009 operating budget last week, which features 65 proposed service enhancements.  Some of the highlights:

Initiatives to Address Overcrowding

Route 14 to use all artics to improve capacity (unless they did some major improvements to Comly Depot, it looks like Midvale will probably be getting the 14 come this fall)
Improved peak hour frequencies on the 17, 18, 21, 23, 26, 42, 47, 70, and R
Route 53 to use all 40-ft buses (they weren't before?)
Increased peak hour service on the 94, 104, 108, 109, 112
Increased mid-day service on the 96
Increased weekend (saturday evening and Sunday) service on the 113
Additional weekend round trips on the 124 and 125
Two westbound AM peak trips on the 124
Added trips at mall closing time on the 125

Expanded peak hour service

Increased peak service on the 8, 31, 56, 57, 93, J & K
14 new peak hour round trips on the 201
Extension of the #514 (R5 Paoli/Thorndale) to Thorndale; currently departs Malvern at 05:16

Expanded off-peak/weekend service

Increased weekend service on the 7, 58
Restored mid-day service on the 8
Added weeknight service to Bridge-Pratt on 26
Increased Sunday service on the 28 (to match Saturday schedule)
Increased mid-day service on the 31
New OWL service on the 37
Increased mid-day and evening service on the 40
Increased evening and weekend service on the 70
Extend two Sunday evening trips on the 93 to Pottstown
Extended Sunday evening service on the 96 and 99
Increased Sunday service on the P&W (Route 100)
Increased mid-day service on the 101/102
Daily evening service on the 105
Extend all 108 weekend trips from 67-Elmwood to Philadelphia International Airport
Extended Saturday service to Chadds Ford and new hourly Sunday service on the 111
15 minute mid-day service between 69 St and Darby on the 113
Improved weekend service (from 3 round trips to 2 hour service) on the 120
New Sunday service on the 129
Increased Saturday service on the K & the R
Late night Friday and Saturday service on R5 between Center City and Malvern; R6 between Elm Street/Norristown and Center City; and between Center City and Trenton (both directions) on R7

It would've been nice if they restored 30 minute Sunday service to West Chester on the 104.  In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA ends up keep ing a lot more NABI's in service when the DE40LFR's enter service.

One would wonder if it would make sense to swap some artics out of Allegheny for 40' buses from Comly to accomplish two goals - 1) reduction of deadhead moves from Midvale for 14 and 2) finally having something other than 60' buses for Allegheny routes. It would seem that moving 14 to Midvale would free up 40' buses from Comly to cover Midvale runs anyway.

As already noted, some 53 trips get El D's, for some reason. I don't see it often but I've seen a couple of 53's with El D's in the midday with standing loads.

7 seems to get a lot of business on the east end on weekends, so the extra service makes sense there.

Not sure why 31 is in the mix, especially since the El won't be done and it'll still be on detour. What ever happened to SEPTA's plans from several years ago to cut it way back, either to 20th & Market or 40th & Market?

Never figured why 40 didn't get more service - it can be a busy route.

The way things are going on R6, maybe more daily runs are needed. Ridership is going through the roof, even on off-peak runs.

Interestingly, nothing at all is being proposed for the Northwest routes (9, 27, 61, 62). I guess SEPTA figures, as usual, what is being provided today (which is very inadequate) is passable. I've heard in passing that there's some thought to cutting 27 back to peak hours only, and I hope that's only a rumor, but SEPTA should seriously consider terminating it at Barren Hill and offering a new route between the Northwest and Plymouth Meeting. 62 is becoming a very popular route as well, but good luck if you miss the last one leaving town at a too-early 5:30.

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ctrabs74
Mar 4 2008, 11:57 PM
SEPTA posted it's proposed FY 2009 operating budget last week, which features 65 proposed service enhancements. Some of the highlights:

Initiatives to Address Overcrowding

Route 14 to use all artics to improve capacity (unless they did some major improvements to Comly Depot, it looks like Midvale will probably be getting the 14 come this fall)
Improved peak hour frequencies on the 17, 18, 21, 23, 26, 42, 47, 70, and R
Route 53 to use all 40-ft buses (they weren't before?)
Increased peak hour service on the 94, 104, 108, 109, 112
Increased mid-day service on the 96
Increased weekend (saturday evening and Sunday) service on the 113
Additional weekend round trips on the 124 and 125
Two westbound AM peak trips on the 124
Added trips at mall closing time on the 125

Expanded peak hour service

Increased peak service on the 8, 31, 56, 57, 93, J & K
14 new peak hour round trips on the 201
Extension of the #514 (R5 Paoli/Thorndale) to Thorndale; currently departs Malvern at 05:16

Expanded off-peak/weekend service

Increased weekend service on the 7, 58
Restored mid-day service on the 8
Added weeknight service to Bridge-Pratt on 26
Increased Sunday service on the 28 (to match Saturday schedule)
Increased mid-day service on the 31
New OWL service on the 37
Increased mid-day and evening service on the 40
Increased evening and weekend service on the 70
Extend two Sunday evening trips on the 93 to Pottstown
Extended Sunday evening service on the 96 and 99
Increased Sunday service on the P&W (Route 100)
Increased mid-day service on the 101/102
Daily evening service on the 105
Extend all 108 weekend trips from 67-Elmwood to Philadelphia International Airport
Extended Saturday service to Chadds Ford and new hourly Sunday service on the 111
15 minute mid-day service between 69 St and Darby on the 113
Improved weekend service (from 3 round trips to 2 hour service) on the 120
New Sunday service on the 129
Increased Saturday service on the K & the R
Late night Friday and Saturday service on R5 between Center City and Malvern; R6 between Elm Street/Norristown and Center City; and between Center City and Trenton (both directions) on R7

It would've been nice if they restored 30 minute Sunday service to West Chester on the 104. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA ends up keep ing a lot more NABI's in service when the DE40LFR's enter service.

Interline the R and 14 if you want Artics from either District. Besides Allegheny (The Land Of The ONE) do have several Gratz trippers that go to FTC, then turn to GHSL runs.
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I have heard rumor of route swaps between Comly, Frankford, and Midvale. Maybe the 14 goes to Midvale in exchange for 26, 77, and 89. Again this is rumor. I highly doubt the 14 could run entirely out of Midvale. That would be a lot of runs and require more artics than Midvale is capable of supplying. Plus the deadhead time from Midvale would be astronomical. Isee some 14 peak trips being covered with artics.
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I have heard rumor of route swaps between Comly, Frankford, and Midvale. Maybe the 14 goes to Midvale in exchange for 26, 77, and 89. Again this is rumor. I highly doubt the 14 could run entirely out of Midvale. That would be a lot of runs and require more artics than Midvale is capable of supplying. Plus the deadhead time from Midvale would be astronomical. Isee some 14 peak trips being covered with artics.

i think that would be good i mean i think frankford should have the 26
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I highly doubt that the 14 will be reassigned to Midvale.

Comly(along with Frankford & Southern) have a high operator/high depot senority with drivers having at least 25 years of senority or more.

The ones that work the 14 aren't crazy about working the 14 but they simply won't go for giving up the 14 in the next picking in exchange for working the C, 2, 23, 32, 39, 47, 57 & 61.

There are operators at Comly who haven't seen Broad & Olney since the early years of SEPTA & they don't have any intention of looking forward to it. I think the operators at Comly will oppose any swapping of any of their routes in exchange for Midvale routes. I hope the union will fight SEPTA's request.

The 14 has a clientele that is bearable but operators on the 14 will take it in stride. Work the 18,22,55,H or XH & they'll come running back to the 14.

The 14 has so many branches: OXFORD VALLEY, LANGHORNE, CITY LINE, BYBERRY, VIA CAROLINE/COMLY/DECATUR,, SCHOOL TRIPPERS, IRS.

They'll have to re-arrange the block system & the 14 & 20 would no longer be interlined.

In order for the 14 to run out of Midvale, Midvale would have to lose both the 47 & 56(47 would go all Southern, with Midvale probably saving 30 buses during the week, 15 to 20 buses on weekends & the Midvale saving up to 25 buses needed on the 56 during the week & up to 10 on weekends.) All of these spare buses would be delpoyed into revenue service on the 14(if not all of them, most of them).

If the 14 is re-assigned, operators can forget about making releif in the street. Bring a bus out, you have to bring a bus back in.
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I think running the 14 out of Midvale is ludicrous, but if the 6 can be ran out of Allegheney [another route with a long deadhead], then the 14 out of Midvale isn't such a bad thing with the long deadhead mileage.

However, if the 14 will go all artic, how would that affect the 18, 22 and 55? I know these lines mixes artics and standard buses, but will these lines go back to the regular sized buses only? I can see the intense overcrowding on these buses occuring.

The 14 will take up about half of Midvale's 49 artics [if every run is covered], has SEPTA thought of just cutting the 14 back to Neshaminy Mall, and handing the Oxford Valley trips to another route, say creating a route to run between FTC and OVM, or even all the way to Trenton?

Anybody else have any ideas on this matter?
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Mar 5 2008, 04:57 AM
SEPTA posted it's proposed FY 2009 operating budget last week, which features 65 proposed service enhancements. Some of the highlights:

Initiatives to Address Overcrowding

Route 14 to use all artics to improve capacity (unless they did some major improvements to Comly Depot, it looks like Midvale will probably be getting the 14 come this fall)
Improved peak hour frequencies on the 17, 18, 21, 23, 26, 42, 47, 70, and R
Route 53 to use all 40-ft buses (they weren't before?)
Increased peak hour service on the 94, 104, 108, 109, 112
Increased mid-day service on the 96
Increased weekend (saturday evening and Sunday) service on the 113
Additional weekend round trips on the 124 and 125
Two westbound AM peak trips on the 124
Added trips at mall closing time on the 125

Expanded peak hour service

Increased peak service on the 8, 31, 56, 57, 93, J & K
14 new peak hour round trips on the 201
Extension of the #514 (R5 Paoli/Thorndale) to Thorndale; currently departs Malvern at 05:16

Expanded off-peak/weekend service

Increased weekend service on the 7, 58
Restored mid-day service on the 8
Added weeknight service to Bridge-Pratt on 26
Increased Sunday service on the 28 (to match Saturday schedule)
Increased mid-day service on the 31
New OWL service on the 37
Increased mid-day and evening service on the 40
Increased evening and weekend service on the 70
Extend two Sunday evening trips on the 93 to Pottstown
Extended Sunday evening service on the 96 and 99
Increased Sunday service on the P&W (Route 100)
Increased mid-day service on the 101/102
Daily evening service on the 105
Extend all 108 weekend trips from 67-Elmwood to Philadelphia International Airport
Extended Saturday service to Chadds Ford and new hourly Sunday service on the 111
15 minute mid-day service between 69 St and Darby on the 113
Improved weekend service (from 3 round trips to 2 hour service) on the 120
New Sunday service on the 129
Increased Saturday service on the K & the R
Late night Friday and Saturday service on R5 between Center City and Malvern; R6 between Elm Street/Norristown and Center City; and between Center City and Trenton (both directions) on R7

It would've been nice if they restored 30 minute Sunday service to West Chester on the 104. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised if SEPTA ends up keep ing a lot more NABI's in service when the DE40LFR's enter service.

Hope this isn't an early April Fools joke. Artics on the 14? Sounds good, but why not also on the 26? Restored mid-day service on the 8? Shouldn't have been eliminated to begin with. Additional weeknight service to FTC on the 26? They should have done that YEARS ago. Sunday service on the 129? One can only hope.
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