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| ElDorados in Callowhill/Southern?; Route 30 & former route 63 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2008, 09:05 AM (1,774 Views) | |
| Trainwizard | Nov 13 2008, 09:05 AM Post #1 |
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You must have rabies because you foam too much!¡!¡!
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I'm not sure...I have a Route 63 schedule from around 2001 or 2002 and it had a lawnmower on the front cover; did that ex-grays ferry route actually run with those buses? Was it assigned to Southern or Callowhill or what? Route 30 had the same photo on the front cover back a while ago...Was it shared between Victory and Callowhill? |
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| CalloOpr5815 | Nov 13 2008, 04:32 PM Post #2 |
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As far as rt 30 back in 2003-04 it was ran with eldoraldos and some of these even had shown up on other for example i was on 52nd st and seen one on the 52 and spotted one on the 46 back in like 2003 |
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| joechopchop | Nov 13 2008, 07:58 PM Post #3 |
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Callowhill did have lawnmowers for a period of time. Hence the reason for the sightings. For a short time, Southern had one for the portion of the C that served some apartments in South Philly (forgot the name). |
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| Tritransit Area | Nov 13 2008, 10:27 PM Post #4 |
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Yes El Dorados did exist at Callowhill for a short time. I believe the 63 was run out of Callowhill, IIRC. Off-peak route 30 trips saw these little buses regularly. More recently, Callowhill borrowed a Dorado from Victory to use on the 31S service. |
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| Trainwizard | Nov 14 2008, 01:42 PM Post #5 |
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You must have rabies because you foam too much!¡!¡!
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Why not keep them at Southern for Route 71 |
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| philabob1 | Nov 16 2008, 12:10 PM Post #6 |
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I don't recall the El D based at Southern. The Sheaff Lane branch of C was part of the main line - buses going there ran from 11th & Nedro. There were usually a half-dozen or so trips each peak period. The shuttles from Broad & Snyder ended when the subway was extended to Pattison in '73 - before then, shuttles ran to the Navy Yard and the Naval Hospital. I believe the Sheaff Lane trips were extensions of the Naval Hospital branch. In my limited experience on 71, the peak-hour trips are quite crowded, so the El D's wouldn't adequately cover them. The middays are another story, but the schedule would be tough with any changeouts of equipment. |
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| philabob1 | Nov 16 2008, 12:12 PM Post #7 |
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When 63 was originally created it and 64 were cross-routed and based at Southern. Somewhere along the line, not sure when, Callowhill began to share the route. When 63 went to El D's it became all Callowhill. Today 64 is exclusively Southern. Can't say for sure about 30 but I do recall seeing El D's on the route in the 30th St/University City area. |
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| Van2006ko | Nov 16 2008, 01:34 PM Post #8 |
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During 2002, Callowhill received a few Eldorados from Midvale to be used on the 30 & 63. Interestingly enough, Callowhill placed Eldorados on other routes as well. This includes, but not limited to, the RT G, as well 52 (during rush hours). About a year and a half later, SEPTA canceled the 63 due to low ridership. The route was basically a redundancy since the 64 basically went to the same places only a block over onto Washington ave/Ellsworth and Federal. Soon enough the 31-Shuttle was created and that used a borrowed Eldorado from Victory. http://www.southphillyreview.com/view_article.php?id=197 Here's a old map of the 63... ![]() 64
Edited by Septa3371CSX1, Nov 18 2008, 01:40 PM.
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| PhillyBadBoy09 | Nov 16 2008, 03:45 PM Post #9 |
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The reason callowhill got a share of the 63 was because of the 64. At some point, before callowhill got the 64, southern interlined the 63 with 64 similar to what callowhill does the 21/42. And when callowhill got a part of the 64 the 63 came with it. |
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| CACrafter88bk2504 | Nov 16 2008, 03:52 PM Post #10 |
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Up until National City Lines(NCL) took over & implemented a policy that dozens of streetcar routes in Philadelphia be converted to bus routes, the 63 was a streetcar line that was Philadelphia's first electric streetcar line, if I am not mistaken, in 1892. This was the Bainbridge & Catherine line. The routing of the 63 as a bus route was identical to that of the 63 as a streetcar route. The 63 was dieselized in 1955. The 64 was a streetcar route as well. The 64 did not run out to West Philadelphia. As a streetcar line, the 64 terminated somewhere in Grays Ferry(34th & Wharton)? The 64 became dieselized in 1956 & used some of the last Nearside streetcars in the PTC system, of that day. If I am not mistaken, the 63 & 64 were combined once before either after both were dieselized in the 1955-1956 timeframe or sometime during the early years of SEPTA. The current portion of the 64 that runs in West Philadelphia(46th, 48th Streets from the Millcreek area down to Woodland depot) was serviced by a route implemented by PTC called the V, which under SEPTA,later became the 49. The 49 in West Philadelphia & the 64 in South Philadelphia were combined in 1982, around the same time when the 59b became the 58 & the D-1 & 30 were combined. Around that time(correct me if I am wrong), the 63 was "re-vamped" in implemented again. The V was a Haverford garage route. The 49 was a Callowhill based route. If I am not mistaken, when the 63 was eliminated(or combined) with the 64 in the form of a bus route, this(these) route(routes) came from Jackson garage(Southern as time progressed). In 1982, The 63 & 64 were split with Southern & Callowhill depot. Ya'll know the rest. The 64 is a route exclusively assigned to Southern. Beetelebombers & Neo AKs, BMs, & CD's covered the entire service. As the Neo EBs came on the scene @ Callowhill, Callowhill probably threw in a few on both routes. Southern kept their Neo EBs exclusively for the 37 & possibly, the 68. Southern has 3212-3236 as opposed to Callowhill, which received 3132-3171. |
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