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| ElDorados in Callowhill/Southern?; Route 30 & former route 63 | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 13 2008, 09:05 AM (1,775 Views) | |
| philabob1 | Nov 20 2008, 12:22 PM Post #11 |
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A couple of clarifications. 64's terminus before its extension into West Phila was 33rd & Reed. 64 took over the westbound 63 only in the early 60's. This branch ran to 27th & Ellsworth where it connected to the eastbound 64. The route signs said '64 via Cath' (Catharine St). 63 was created in the early 80's as a two-direction route mainly on Christian St as the map in the previous post shows. Its eastern terminal was 2nd & Washington (same as 64, although for many years 64 carried 'Front St' signs for the east direction), laying over on Washington Ave alongside the Engine 3 firehouse. 63's west terminal was 30th & Grays Ferry and I believe it looped in the shopping center there. When Pier 70 opened in 1992 or so both 63 and 64 were extended to serve it. 63 was always a weak line, with no easy connection to the Broad St subway, but it was a political hot potato (much like 47M and 35), so it kept going until SEPTA finally worked up the nerve to cut it. 63 was the first electric trolley line in the City. Not sure if 64 ever ran out of Jackson depot - 63 may have, but somewhere in that 1956 time frame Southern was renovated to become a bus garage and Jackson closed. |
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| Septa_kid | Nov 21 2008, 10:11 AM Post #12 |
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Now I wish the would bring the 63 back so that I can only take two buses from my school to FTC with out walking or worrying about Broad and Vine, or the back up that leads there. |
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| Trainwizard | Nov 21 2008, 10:04 PM Post #13 |
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You must have rabies because you foam too much!¡!¡!
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I think the one good thing is that, since Washington Avenue is a very busy thoroughfare with a lot of stores and workplaces, a bus needs to run down the entire length of the street. Route 63 would just be a terrible ridership route, since it would be only a couple blocks away. The 64 took all the passenger ridership in the area, so there would be no need to add another bus route.
Edited by Trainwizard, Nov 21 2008, 10:05 PM.
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| philabob1 | Nov 22 2008, 05:39 PM Post #14 |
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The movement of 64 from Ellsworth/Federal to Washington Ave pretty much put an end to the need for 63. 64 serves ridership better on Washington although it is now a block away from its subway connection. |
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| philabob1 | Nov 23 2008, 12:19 PM Post #15 |
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63 and 64 were combined in January 1962. |
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| Trainwizard | Nov 23 2008, 01:54 PM Post #16 |
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You must have rabies because you foam too much!¡!¡!
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wow that was quite some time ago |
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| Septa_kid | Nov 25 2008, 01:02 PM Post #17 |
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Some of the NABI's still say that the 64 runs on Ellsworth and Fedral, and that the 63 is in service, Mainly the ones from southern excluding 5060, 5066, 5067, and 5069 |
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| frankl3217 | Nov 27 2008, 01:21 PM Post #18 |
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the apartment complex was known as the gateway towers - 3600 sheaff lane. out of the 8 years (1996 - 2005) i worked near delaware & washington ave, i've only seen neos, "bricks", "sharks" and "turtles" i never saw a "lawnmower" in the area.. and also saw AMG 815 on a tow truck once heading northbound on delaware ave |
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| SouthernSeptaRida215 | Nov 21 2009, 11:06 AM Post #19 |
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Topic Bump.... All I want to say here is that Southern does not house Eldorados because the 71 gets up to a standing load during peak hours in the Navy Yard soo Joechopchop your right and also Southern always runs one Flyer out there everyday where the drivers runs approximately 26 trips which adequately supports the 71. Also though Eldorado's can be used well for the 68 during the weekends when UPS is closed and also a couple during the week |
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