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AMG Hummer H1 and Trackless Coaches
Topic Started: Sep 4 2009, 06:47 AM (553 Views)
Septa_kid
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I was thinking, about SEPTA's past order for trackless trollies... what inspired them to look at AMG? Around that time, AMG was new to the bus making scene... (and it was also their last years lol)
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MichaelBug
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Basically, at that time (late 1970's), AMG was the only US-based company that built trackless trolleys. The AMG model was in turn built under a license from Western Flyer (now New Flyer) of Canada. The old-line builders of tracklesses were either out of business (Brill, Marmon-Herrington) or no longer building TTs (St. Louis Car, Pullman-Standard) by that time.

Also, at that point, Neoplan had not yet entered the US market & Gillig was still mainly a school bus builder on the West Coast. So, SEPTA really had limited options.
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Funny thing is, AMG and Flyer used to practically build the same vehicles... now, NFI and AMG are two completely different companies.... how'd that happen? (that's a serious question lol)
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i believe this might answer your question.. (courtesy of wikapedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_General

AM General manufactured buses for city transit use from 1974 until 1979, producing a total of 5,431 buses (including 219 electric trolley buses).[3] This originated with a 1971 agreement with Flyer Industries, of Winnipeg, Canada, under which AM General would build and market buses to Flyer's designs in the United States. However, before starting production, AMG redesigned the front end of Flyer's then-current model, and thus the resulting product was not simply a Flyer design built under license but rather a jointly designed vehicle. Flyer adopted the design changes for its own production (for its models D800 and E800).[3] Buses were built in lengths of either 35 feet or 40 feet, and widths of 96 inches or 102 inches. The model numbers were simple, an example being model "10240", which indicated a 102-wide, 40-long bus. Suffixes "A" or "B" were used for later models, to indicate certain options. In total, 3,571 40-foot diesel buses and 1,641 35-foot diesel buses were produced.[3] Diesel bus production ended in 1978, and the only production in 1979 was that of two batches of trolleybuses (and the only such vehicles ever built by the company),[8] all being 40-foot vehicles, model 10240T: 110 for SEPTA, in Philadelphia, and 109 for Metro Transit in Seattle. One of the latter has been preserved (following its retirement in 2003) by King County Metro (see fleet section).
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