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Topic Started: Sep 11 2013, 12:06 AM (2,818 Views)
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Two exceptions to what's noted above, in giving it more thought - the joint PTC routes (44, 44G, 45) and the NJ service (54 and its many branches (54C, 54H, etc) did have the route numbers on the front curtains as I recall.
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SEPTA didn't have any 1973 GM's (this was when the big Flxible order was rolling in) and the milage on this bus (60,000) is way too low in my opinion for it to have operated on SEPTA.
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SEPTA didn't have any 1973 GM's (this was when the big Flxible order was rolling in) and the milage on this bus (60,000) is way too low in my opinion for it to have operated on SEPTA.
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frankl3217
Sep 14 2013, 10:18 AM
in addition to that, septa's ctd fishbowls (as well as the flxibles) had a 2 piece destination roll sign, 1 scroll for the route # and another for the destination.

if i recall correctly, septa's fishbowls were manufactured and delivered between 1963 and 1970.

question: did any septa route have this exact destination (67th and elmwood ave)? it is a fairly common street name
Yes, That Is True, From What I Understand. Septa Had Some Pretty Nice Looking Buses Then, With The Exception Of Red Arrow ;)-Take a Look At These Photos On PTV.

http://www.philadelphiatransitvehicles.info/multimedia/displayimage-124-7425-_STO_342_.html#top_display_media

This was one of Red Arrows 35 Footers. STO-342


And then, 40 Footers-4000's.


Septa Also Had A Couple Of 30 Footers, Those I believe were manufactured in either 1963, or 1967, I heard they were good buses, would've been nice to keep for the historical fleet.
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NeoplanDudeJosMuller
Sep 28 2014, 10:19 PM
frankl3217
Sep 14 2013, 10:18 AM
in addition to that, septa's ctd fishbowls (as well as the flxibles) had a 2 piece destination roll sign, 1 scroll for the route # and another for the destination.

if i recall correctly, septa's fishbowls were manufactured and delivered between 1963 and 1970.

question: did any septa route have this exact destination (67th and elmwood ave)? it is a fairly common street name
Yes, That Is True, From What I Understand. Septa Had Some Pretty Nice Looking Buses Then, With The Exception Of Red Arrow ;)-Take a Look At These Photos On PTV.

http://www.philadelphiatransitvehicles.info/multimedia/displayimage-124-7425-_STO_342_.html#top_display_media

This was one of Red Arrows 35 Footers. STO-342


And then, 40 Footers-4000's.


Septa Also Had A Couple Of 30 Footers, Those I believe were manufactured in either 1963, or 1967, I heard they were good buses, would've been nice to keep for the historical fleet.
The paint scheme you see on Flxible 342 was unique to that bus at that time. 342 had been retired from revenue service & was re-assigned as a work crew bus for the track maintenance dept working out of 69th Street. The letters in front of 342 are STD (Suburban Transit Division, the later name for Red Arrow Division).

I took the picture personally.

The suburban Flxible New Looks were delivered in a paint scheme similar to what 6569 wears today. Most were later repainted in SEPTA's white with a wide red/blue stripe. They never wore all-red paint (as they were all acquired after SEPTA had bought out Red Arrow).

Original photo taken on December 1, 1990.
Edited by MichaelBug, Sep 29 2014, 12:08 PM.
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if this bus was a flexible, why was it in GM fishbowls? Also, I new knew it was special, as no other buses looked like that, and they didn't have wrap then. I only chose this because it was the only 35 foot picture in the photo album. Another reason, I don't think those old 1960's buses lasted until then, they were replaced by the DK-EZ Neoplans, with few remaining. And, wasn't that maintenance bus replaced by that weird trolley thing, sitting on the layover spot for trolleys, in the middle of west chester pk? I think so, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, Nice Picture Though!!!!
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NeoplanDudeJosMuller
Sep 29 2014, 12:45 PM
if this bus was a flexible, why was it in GM fishbowls? Also, I new knew it was special, as no other buses looked like that, and they didn't have wrap then. I only chose this because it was the only 35 foot picture in the photo album. Another reason, I don't think those old 1960's buses lasted until then, they were replaced by the DK-EZ Neoplans, with few remaining. And, wasn't that maintenance bus replaced by that weird trolley thing, sitting on the layover spot for trolleys, in the middle of west chester pk? I think so, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, Nice Picture Though!!!!
Admin: Can we move this picture to the correct album?

If you look at the Flxible album (next tab over from where you found 342), all of the buses numbered in the 12xx, 2xx, 3xx, & 4xx series are 35 footers. All of these except the 12xx series were originally assigned to Red Arrow but a few ended up running for Southern, Comly, and Frontier near the end of their careers.

All the Flxes were delivered between 1971 & 1976, so they were no older at the time of the pics than our NABIs are now.

342 was actually replaced by one of the 35 foot RTSes from the 4458-4470 group (painted orange!) after SEPTA merged the City & Suburban track departments. There is a picture of it elsewhere in the PTV photo gallery. I believe that the work trolley you see today replaced that RTS.


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MichaelBug
Sep 29 2014, 06:05 PM
NeoplanDudeJosMuller
Sep 29 2014, 12:45 PM
if this bus was a flexible, why was it in GM fishbowls? Also, I new knew it was special, as no other buses looked like that, and they didn't have wrap then. I only chose this because it was the only 35 foot picture in the photo album. Another reason, I don't think those old 1960's buses lasted until then, they were replaced by the DK-EZ Neoplans, with few remaining. And, wasn't that maintenance bus replaced by that weird trolley thing, sitting on the layover spot for trolleys, in the middle of west chester pk? I think so, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, Nice Picture Though!!!!
Admin: Can we move this picture to the correct album?

If you look at the Flxible album (next tab over from where you found 342), all of the buses numbered in the 12xx, 2xx, 3xx, & 4xx series are 35 footers. All of these except the 12xx series were originally assigned to Red Arrow but a few ended up running for Southern, Comly, and Frontier near the end of their careers.

All the Flxes were delivered between 1971 & 1976, so they were no older at the time of the pics than our NABIs are now.

342 was actually replaced by one of the 35 foot RTSes from the 4458-4470 group (painted orange!) after SEPTA merged the City & Suburban track departments. There is a picture of it elsewhere in the PTV photo gallery. I believe that the work trolley you see today replaced that RTS.


that's weird, I did see that rts, it was in RTS history. However, I thought they may have kept two or so, as its a bit odd to have a maintanence car for less than 6 years.

Also, SEPTA's ridership must have increased a lot!!! They had 3 35 foot bus fleets

Those 200's, 300's, 400's, & 1200's Flxibles, The 1980 GMCs 4458-4470, & The 1984 Neoplan BP's 1301-1325.
Edited by NeoplanDudeJosMuller, Sep 29 2014, 07:28 PM.
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There's a video on YouTube of retired San Francisco mta 1988 new flyer #8811. This bus has to be one of the loudest I ever heard in my life :o . It brings back memories of septa's neoplan bm :) . If you never heard this bus on YouTube please check it out. ;)
Edited by nabi5155, Oct 5 2014, 06:35 PM.
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I loved it! I gotta go to C.B.O.A, Those MCI9's, & American Eagles Have the same powertrain!
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