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| Russ | Aug 27 2015, 03:57 PM Post #61 |
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Bark! Go away
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The flash is the bait on the hook. The manipulation is the feeling you get as you're being reeled in. But that doesn't really explain what bothered me...I guess I just felt the scope of the movie exceeded its grasp -- something I've found problematic in other Anderson films. |
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| Kevin Harvey | Aug 27 2015, 05:31 PM Post #62 |
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Another deserter....
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You're probably right about Hanson, Shay, and I'd have to revisit to contribute anything further of value.
I'd buy that. It's just that the strength of my moral reaction, I suppose, isn't matched in the depiction, which is decidedly ho-hum in the denouement. I don't need righteous indignation or moral outrage ("childishness", essentially), but the "adult" response can't just be casual indifference, can it? Or, worse, implicit approval for the protagonists, just because, well, at least they're better than the other guys, right? |
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| Shay Casey | Aug 27 2015, 08:38 PM Post #63 |
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Blingin' for Our Savior
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That does seem to be in there, but I wonder if here your issue may be more with James Ellroy than with Hanson. (I haven't read the book, but it does seem like this mostly stems from plot, which as far as I know follows the novel pretty closely.) |
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| Karim Amir | Aug 28 2015, 03:15 AM Post #64 |
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"Weird career" indeed. Exotica and The Adjuster are two of my all-time favorite movies. The rest of his directography ranges from very good (The Sweet Hereafter) to god-awful garbage (Where the Truth Lies, which I often put in my "worst movies I've ever seen" list.) |
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| Kevin Harvey | Aug 28 2015, 05:27 AM Post #65 |
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Another deserter....
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More the attitude towards the events than the events themselves. But anyway, it's a good movie and it would have been on my list ... if I'd wanted to contribute to its landslide victory. :)
Yeah, WtTL is just fucking awful, organically speaking. As if every impulse and decision was made to intentionally alienate a feeling, humane audience. Intellectually, though, it's kind of fascinating, and if you push past some of what Film Crit Hulk would call the (in this case ludicrous) "tangible details", there's definitely something there. But yeah, the tangible details really do sink this sucker. Ararat is another one that gets me. On the one hand, a thoughtful consideration of the effects of oppression/suppression/denial on the individual/society, as well as the moral and aesthetic difficulties of depicting genocide on film. On the other hand, some of the most absurd and aesthetically ill-considered footage of genocide I have ever seen. It makes one wonder whether it's supposed to be self-parody, which I really don't think was the intention. |
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