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The Hateful Eight
Topic Started: Jan 3 2016, 08:53 AM (1,322 Views)
Shay Casey
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Continental Op,Jan 11 2016
03:39 PM
I'm also still the guy holding out to the potential uncynical views in Hateful...for instance, back to the whole ending and crumbling of the letter. And there being something more to Ruth than just a racist exposed once a lie was discovered.

It's a fair point about Ruth. I think Faraci skirts over that character as it's not related to his main thesis, but as with most Tarantino characters there are layers.
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Kevin Harvey
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Another deserter....
Shifting allegiances due to self-interest. And everything else is bullshit.

That's my ten-word, two-line summary after a second screening tonight (still in glorious 70mm). The film only got stronger, in just about every respect, aside from shock and surprise. My own instincts just couldn't keep up the fight in the face of Tarantino's frankly brilliant showmanship. He's juvenile, he's crass, he's got some huge emotional blind-spots (or so it seems to me), but my god does he have the swaggering confidence of a great artist (or an egotistical maniac, ymmv/same diff). Very few of my objections still stand. And now I'll have to wait awhile (and maybe see it with different people) to determine how the whole thing falls out down the line.

Re: John Ruth, of course there's more to him than "just a racist exposed" -- hell, racism is mostly an excuse when jockeying for power and position -- but every mutherfucker in that room (after the disaster) is a racist, except maybe O.B. They're a lot of other things too, of course, but not one of them doesn't (or wouldn't) stoop to racism if it served their own ends.

Talk about a bleak picture. (Sorry, C-Op. :) )
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Just in case you don't think The Hateful Eight is misogynist, here's former "Tarantinoista" Laura Bogart to set you straight:

http://www.rogerebert.com/balder-and-dash/...e-hateful-eight
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Kevin Harvey
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Well, another thing TH8 is good at (if internet comments sections are any indication) is exposing hypocrisy, which is what's happening here, I think. I mean, if a female assassin and unrepentant killer who violently slaughters anyone who gets in her way (Beatrix Kiddo) is an admirable character because she succeeds/lives, but a female gang-member and unrepentant killer who, at the very least, has no objection to seeing anyone who gets in her way violently slaughtered (Daisy Domergue) is an objectionable character because she fails/dies, then your standards for what constitutes progressive-feminisism might be a little outta whack. (Moreover, if being brutally killed by a woman makes a female character a badass, but getting brutally killed by a man makes a similar character a lamentable victim, then ditto.) The author goes on to bemoan many specific aspects of Daisy's treatment/behaviour (all with negative connotations), but never seems to realize the purpose these might serve in the film's overall design. I think she's right in pointing them out (all of them), but fails to connect the dots re: what they might mean. As for her extended comparison between Beatrix and Daisy, I think there's just as much going on in TH8 (in the details of writing and performance) to lift Daisy above generic, token lady as there are in any equivalent stretch of Kill Bill.

There are plenty of crappy comments below Ms. Bogart's article, of course, but also a handful that seem to be on the right track. More so than the author in any case.
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Yeah, most of the comments that don't include some variation of the argument "What if Daisy were a man? Would it be okay THEN?" are on point.

I'm always amazed by these articles by writers who seem to put so much thought into their subject, expound on it at length, and yet can't seem to make a single convincing point because they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the film they're writing about. She has decided the film's treatment of Daisy is misogynist, and that's that. No other evidence is persuasive enough to even slightly mitigate her argument.
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Russ
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I just watched this and have come to the conclusion that, as a big fan of Mr. Tarantino's body of work, that it's not only possible, but almost inescapable that one can tell that it's a Tarantino film simply by listening to the dialogue and nothing else. I mean, put a blindfold on me, mute the score and narration and leave just the dialogue and I think any one of us could identify the film's creator (this is especially true of his later works.). I don't don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.

I do know that I can't think of any other director for whom this same test would work.
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Russ,May 15 2016
10:44 AM
I do know that I can't think of any other director for whom this same test would work.

Preston Sturges?
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vornporn
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A Ryan Seacrest type.
David Mamet
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YancySkancy
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Woody Allen
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Russ
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Three great choices there (tho I think the best case could be made for Mamet, but that's just me), Still, I have the nagging feeling that, in the case of those three, the distinct prose that leads to the ability to identify more of their work, is more of...a compliment; as opposed to the works of QT, whose films may display great range in their narrative, but tend to retread not only themes (revenge, racial politics) but also a certain...I don't want to say juvenile quality, but that's what I'm going to say (or at the very least, his trademark nerd-o-scope vision). Heck, I probably could have guessed that it was a QT film, just from the character introductions alone (those names!).

Maybe it says more about me that I remain a huge fan, tho this only did rate a pro - for me. If it's really true that he's going to stop at 10 films, I really hope we get to see that horror-film-to-end-all-horror films that he's been teasing the fans with.

Thought of another writer/director: Spike Lee.
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Maxime G.
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Eric Rohmer!
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Maxime G.,May 17 2016
12:01 AM
Eric Rohmer!

Just sounds like a bunch of foreign jibber-jabber to me.


:)
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