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Dear God; Because Kripke just aint cutting it!
Topic Started: May 18 2008, 10:49 AM (615 Views)
tammitam
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So I decided to put together a list for what I want to see in Supernatural in the next two seasons (OMG! Say it aint so!) So here goes!

1. Why this all started. I mean, we know it began with Mary somehow, but WHY! What happened? Did Mary sell Sam to the demon somehow in a trade? I want answers damn it!

2. Why Sam? He wasn't the first born. And maybe, by answering #1, this one will be answered. But it's more than just why Sam out of the Winchester's, Yellow Eyes said Sam was his favorite, so why?

3. How much does Bobby really know? Did he know about Sam before John? Did he tell John? Is that what they fought about? If not, why did Bobby try and plug him full of buckshot?

4. Where are Missouri and Joshua? I know Missouri was in Home, and Joshua was mentioned, but nothing since. Where are they?

5. Why is Ruby helping Sam? I know she has to want something! Granted, she used to be human, but that doesn't mean she has all those good qualities that humans possess ... she spent way too long in hell. So, again, why Sam?

6. What happened to Sam when he died? Did he go to Heaven? To Hell? Was he in limbo? Was he going to become something Dean hunted? I mean, give us a hint!

7. Why was Sam immune to the demon virus? Was it because of the demon blood? I don't think so, otherwise they would have tested more of the demon blood kids. Was it, again, because of Mary?

8. Why was Lillith powerless against Sam in the end? Was it because she'd killed Dean? Taken him to hell?

9. What IS Sam's destiny? The demon wanted him to lead ... why? Why someone human? Despite having demon blood, he is still human! What exactly did Yellow Eyes want? They were waging a war ... but it was against other demons. Does this mean, despite his methods and cruelty, yellow eyes was on the side of good ... well, as far to good as a demon can get!

And last ...

10. Does Kripke and Company realize that with each answer to Dean's SL's ... they completely skip over Sam's ... or lead us to more questions for Sam? It just seems they are so focused on Dean, the hero, they forgot about Sam ... the reluctant hero.

Please God ... since Kripke is not answering ... maybe you can strike him with a lightening bolt and jolt him into some Sammy action!!
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markie
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Liked your last question Tam I would love to ask Eric that?
They really need to work it out there is no point in a 2 lead show with only one being focused on.Sam,s story needs to be told I would hate to get to the end of SPN and feel but what about Sam?
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SuPeRnAtUrAlChIcK79
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I agree completely! I mean, HELLO! people, there are TWO leads on this show! You would think that they would be able to balance out the story lines so that BOTH characters have an equal amount of time.

All of these questions that have been left unanswered are driving me nuts!
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RebeccaMatthews
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Oh Tam, how right you are. It seems like there are more answers to anything involving Dean then there are Sam. It seems for any one thing we learn about Sam, there are 3 for Dean. Like I've said before, any one character I like best, he or she is always the one to get shafted.
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markie
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Sending Dean to hell was the worst thing for Sam they could of done. I hated the idea now he is in a lose/lose situation I truly expect yet more Dean angst next season...
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Oh thank God!! Somewhere I can moan about this too. I'm debating posting something like this at the other board, someone's already been voicing the same concerns there but I have to get myself ready to be ripped apart there afterwards.

Is it really that impossible for them to make this a 2 lead show with equal emphasis on both boys, equal insight into both boys?? I'm waiting for Kripke to hold another Q and A thingy at TV Guide (or whatever it's called) as I have a long list ready for sure. I LOVE your last question, Tam. And I'd love to know the answers to all the others too. I know the writers' strike pushed back Sam's sls to next season but still, in 16 episodes they didn't manage to give us anything about where Sam was when he died, anything at all about the demon blood, anything about how Sam feels about having all these demons after him?

Like Markie I am worried about next season being full of Traumatised Dean angst which to be honest I have seen enough of now. I miss the kick ass, snarky Dean of S1. And if Dean remembers his time in Hell (or wherever he is) I will not be a happy camper because Sam certainly doesn't seem to have remembered anything of where he went after his death.



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tammitam
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I would like to see ... an old friend of Sam's run into them. A college buddy. Someone that could give insight into what Sam was like at Stanford. Maybe that guy from Pilot, the one that hung out with him and Jess.
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I think the lack of Sam insight is being done on purpose simply to crowd please now. I mean lets face it, the writers are more than capable of writing a well rounded, emotional based character..they've done it...in Dean.

Yet for some reason everytime we're near the surface regarding anything from Sam we're simply brushed aside...yet explanations are given for Dean. Best description I can give for being a Sam fan is the example of drowning. You're being pulled under with each and every episode and yet you hang on and kick to the surface and when you're just about to reach the surface and take in some air...you're pulled back under the surface. That's why it feels like, you watch and watch and watch the storylines for Sam build and then just when you know something huge/climatic must happen...it simply removed and you're left with nothing. Again.

I think we'll never find out what happened to Sam when he died, because that wasn't important in the storyline..what was important was the fact that Dean made the deal to bring him back. That's why that was explored..Sam's death was just a catalyst to release a brand new emotional based story arc for Dean.

I also think the whole 100%Sam storyline was just a carck as well and won't be explored, I mean after all, considering the amount of crap Sam has been though how do you know which element would be behind what may cause his future behaviour. Is it guilt over everyone he loves having died because of him..? Or the fact that he couldn't save Ava or Andy or the other Pks, is it the demon blood inside of him, or is it because he died and came back from the dead....which would mean what exactly- cause technically, that will be exactly the same thing that happened to Dean.

Asking Kripke would make no differnece either as he seems to skirt around all Sam like questions, and my fav at the moment, answering Sam based questions with Dean based answers. :blink:

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I too have lost hope that e'll ever get all questions answered about Sam, and it seems Kripke just isn't remembering what the set out to do. because canonical plot has been altered to get Dean into Hell. Like suddenly the crossroads devil has a boss? In Dean's case the boss was first a he and then a she. Demons were people? It seems he has to make up things to mirror Sam's destiny with dean's character. I don't find that particularly interesting.

I do think Kripke has to sit down and take a look at where this show is going because I am fast getting bored with the woe-me Dean show. I don't think it's his intent to make me dislike Dean's character but if he keeps going the way he's been going during S3, I will be there very soon. :angry:
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You know, I honestly sort of feel sorry for Dean fans ... because all they get, instead of this great kick ass character that was the set up of S1 ... is some guy so set on self loathing that he has not progressed emotionally in two years.

And while most of Season 2, and about half of 3 was geared toward Dean ... it is Sam who has had the most growth -- I just wish we'd see more cause and effect!

Now I am not saying I don't think Sam should have had more, because he should ... but I do have hope that Season 4 will be more balanced.

I guess we wait and see. :hop
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Tam I actually agree I was watching older and season 3 episodes this weekend and the difference in Sam from the first season to the season 3 finale is startling in many ways
My biggest complaint is insight always as been and this thing of bringing stuff up concerning Sam then dropping them and never hearing about them again , dont bring them up in the first place if you have no interest in following through..

As for the Dean angst you keep force feeding people the same thing it stops having any impact , they have way overdone this with Dean and thats the problem
Dean needs that kick-arse back ..
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I honestly agree. They take too long and draw his sl out too much. Or they brush things off. Like Madison. No repercussions. I was hoping (PRAYING) that Henrickson, before he realized they were telling the truth, would have said something about finding that girl Sam shot, and her having his DNA all over the place (and for those of you that are dirty, in her since they just did the bed sheet dance!) but nooooooo.

But as far as growth goes, and character development, Sam's position is ever changing, Dean's, while there is more focus on it, is so stagnant it's starting to smell. :grrr
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I totally agree, they are doing Dean no favors but having him regress the way he has by keeping him constantly in angst mode, he's supposed to be 30 not a teen! It just doesn't add up! He was more mature in S1 for crying out loud!

And the end scene in NRFTW made me want to slap him!

I was like, Huh? All along you were like 'No, I don't need no help, I have to do this on my own and really what is there to do?' All while Sam was trying and fighting to save him.

Then at the end, when Dean's done everty thing to stop Sam from helping him, he screams for Sam?

Tht did it for me, I just wanted to slap him and tell him to shut up! :angry: And I swear if Dean in any way blames Sam for going to Hell it will push me over the limit with Dean. He comes off very passive aggressive right now and that is one trait I simply hate in people I'll kick Kripke if he goes that way.

Cats are craving food, dancing on my laptop, *sigh* gotta go feed critters!
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I have to disagree. I loved NRFTW, especially the end. I was pissed that he died, but I in no way thought poorly of Dean for calling for Sam, and I seriously doubt he would blame his brother.

There is something, in all of this, that people seem to forget. Dean and Sam, despite fans fighting, love each other. Sam will certainly blame himself, but I doubt Dean ever would.

I, for one, adore Dean, I just wish Kripke would steer him out of this self-loathing stage and give me back the kick-ass big brother that I adore so much.
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I blame Kripke and his rushed storyline for the way he portrayed Dean in the last 4 eps. I don't think he ever sat back and pondered how it may be interpreted. I think it was meant to come out as pure love, but for me it didn't.

I was so pissed at Kripke's easy way out.

I know Dean was afraid, I know that but Kripke kept having Dean tell Sam that. tell him! Like Sam didn't already know? He was the one that told Dean he knew in Fresh Blood. To me it just smelled of lazy writing and if they had gone over the manuscript a little more they would had Dean remain Dean and not come off as sanctimonious. Krike needed more show, less tell, because Dean is all about show! The kick-ass Dean simply wasn't there.

He wasn't in the last ep and that ruined it for me.

I agree that Dean would never blame Sam, but does Kripke understand that? What he's done to Dean in the last eps of S3 makes me fear where he will take the character.
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