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Sam's Hell on Earth; It makes me want to cry!
Topic Started: Sep 2 2008, 07:52 PM (574 Views)
tammitam
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I know Dean is in hell (and how long yet, we've yet to learn) and I feel for him, I do (just as I felt for Sam when he was dead) but Sam must be in his own hell, right here on earth.

And while I feel for Dean ... and not to sound callous, he was dead. Just as Sam was dead. It's the living, the ones that have to try and pick up the pieces, that I always feel the sorriest for.

Dean was (is) Sam's world, and in that last scene you could see him crumble to something so broken.

I can only imagine what that did to him. :lesigh:

Dean only went without Sam for hours (couldn't have been long or Sam would have started to stink!) Sam has had to try and pick up the crumbled pieces of his life ... and exist.

Because that damn sure aint living.

So while everyone is wondering what Dean's been through (and while I too am curious and my heart goes out to him) it's Sam that my heart and soul ache for. :boo:

I have never been so antsy for a season opener as I am this one! Pins and needles I tell ya!
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I so agree! :( More laterz.......


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So while everyone is wondering what Dean's been through (and while I too am curious and my heart goes out to him) it's Sam that my heart and soul ache for. 


Yes, Dean's pain will trump everything, he went to hell......

But for Sam, grief is certainly its own form of hell, and it is not something easily snapped out of. So, even with Dean back, I think Sam will be worried about losing Dean again, and also feel terribly guilty for what Dean has gone through on his behalf (hell!).

With Sam, he's been grieving for Dean all year long, before Dean actually died. Sam was anticipating failure and loss, even though he wanted so badly to save his big brother. Then in MS, Sam's grief got jump-started, by being forced to watch Dean die over and over again, at least a hundred times. And then he lived through six months of life without Dean, in a numbed out state of grief, with the bare minimum of emotions. By the time the end of the season was drawing near, Sam was frantic to save Dean, and willing to try some crazy, dark ideas to do so. I think bearing witness to Dean's horrifying and violent death, right in front of Lilith, while he was helplessly pinned to a wall, damaged Sam terribly. Listen to that high-pitch scream he gives while Dean is being torn to shreds. The pitch goes up from one level to another. He scares off Lilith. And then he sees Dean. And he cries, really cries, such heart-shredding tears. We only saw Sam for a moment before the end of the episode and seeing Dean in hell, but his face spoke for how crushed and broken he was.

Sam is not going to be all right.


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By the time the end of the season was drawing near, Sam was frantic to save Dean, and willing to try some crazy, dark ideas to do so. I think bearing witness to Dean's horrifying and violent death, right in front of Lilith, while he was helplessly pinned to a wall, damaged Sam terribly. Listen to that high-pitch scream he gives while Dean is being torn to shreds. The pitch goes up from one level to another.


This is the part that scares me the most. I haven't been this on the edge of my seat since I spoiled myself and found out Sam was dying -- let me tell you, that was the WORST three weeks of my life!

But I hope, pray Sam's pain isn't shoved aside ... because he has literally gone through hell.
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And Sam watched Jessica die a very horrible, violent death. That stuff has to have some kind of impact. What a terrible last picture to have of someone.


Sam also can't cheer himself up with the idea that Dean is at peace now, either. Because he knows he is not at peace, that he is being tortured.


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This is the part that scares me the most. I haven't been this on the edge of my seat since I spoiled myself and found out Sam was dying -- let me tell you, that was the WORST three weeks of my life!


I figured that out by reading the blogs coming off the set at the time (gee, why would Dean be so upset while Sam is just lying there) and that stupid trailer that gave it away from the CW. I didn't need no stinkin' spoiler threads, lol.

I'm not sure why Kripke had the bloggers go up for interviews while that scene was being filmed. <_< :lol:


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Yanno, I got my season 3, and was watching AVSNC and it made me all weepy watching it the second time around. Poor Sam seemed so lost (Both big and wee Sam!) and Dean just wanting to spend some of his last moments being normal.

Kripke said in an interview on the DVD's (because I watched DaLDoM too) that this was the stepping stone to get Dean over his lack of self esteem -- and I hope so, as I truly miss big brother Dean more than a few words here can express.

I just hope the boys can mend the gap and be brothers again, as that is my favorite aspect of the show.
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Sam is going through a form of hell all on his own. His grief for losing Dean and the guilt at his own failure at saving Dean must be destorying him inside....and please, Kripke, if you're listening, please let us actually see it.

Not leave it to our imagination like every other previous occassion.
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I totally agree TW! I want to see some results, and not just from Dean. This show is about both boys, and while I don't want to take away from Dean, I certainly think Sam deserves some angsty spot light.
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tammitam,Sep 6 2008
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This show is about both boys, and while I don't want to take away from Dean, I certainly think Sam deserves some angsty spot light.

If what I'm theorizing and guessing is correct, we're going to see a very angsty Sam. How much you want to bet the Sam we see at the beginning of season four is nothing like the Sam we know.

Oh man, I just scared myself silly with that thought. :eep Count me in as someone very scared for our boy. Dean might be in hell, but Sam's there, too. I just hope the writers will deal with both boys with justice. It's season four, and I wish there was more Sam character development. :blink:
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clarksmuse,Sep 6 2008
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tammitam,Sep 6 2008
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This show is about both boys, and while I don't want to take away from Dean, I certainly think Sam deserves some angsty spot light.

If what I'm theorizing and guessing is correct, we're going to see a very angsty Sam. How much you want to bet the Sam we see at the beginning of season four is nothing like the Sam we know.

Oh man, I just scared myself silly with that thought. :eep Count me in as someone very scared for our boy. Dean might be in hell, but Sam's there, too. I just hope the writers will deal with both boys with justice. It's season four, and I wish there was more Sam character development. :blink:

I live in hope that Kripke finally allows Sam that much needed character development and emotional outlet that has been missing since Season one. Sam has all his life lived in the shadow of grief, his dad's for wife, his brother's for a mother's love lost, and then his own centred grief for Jessica, his father and now his brother.

If during the months Dean was in hell we do not see how this has impacted on Sam then I personally will feel very cheated.

I know Kripke seems to be steering the storyline down the whole Starwars mythology arc, the good one turning bad (Sam) only to be redeemed at the end (by a super charged up Dean), but who the hell wants to see our Sammy become the Supernatural equivalent of Darth Vader? Do we really need to lose that part of Sam that attracted us to him, the gentleness of a man forced back into a world he once tried to escape from. Not that he was ever weak - he always had a strength of will and honesty about him that has made him strong enough to continue battling despite all his losses. Like Dean you know the boy would without a doubt die for his brother, take on all his hurts if he could. That brotherly love needs to be shown again as a positive - its what makes the show special for me. Not the self-depreciating sacrifice it has become over the last few seasons.

I know, I know, I rant....but well, I just miss seeing our boys being the brothers they once were - riding in the impala, listening to Metallica and heading off to their next hunt - together. :car
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but who the hell wants to see our Sammy become the Supernatural equivalent of Darth Vader? Do we really need to lose that part of Sam that attracted us to him, the gentleness of a man forced back into a world he once tried to escape from.


I for one and tired of the Star Wars references. I have this speculation (no spoilery, as I don't read them) that at the end of Season 5 (which is supposed to be the final for SN) that Sam is going to die. And I hope to God Kripke doesn't do the cliche of Dean killing him. I pray that I don't get that cheated to have Sam, a character of such strong will, have so little control.

If Sam did die, I would hope it would be in a sacrifice to save Dean. At least then Dean wouldn't be the total martyr in all of this.

But honestly, I hope that Sam lives ... though I have strong doubts that he will.

I foresee a darker Sam, and that scares me ... and like Rozzy said, I miss the boys of Season 1 ... badly.
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rozzy,Sep 7 2008
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Sam has all his life lived in the shadow of grief, his dad's for wife, his brother's for a mother's love lost, and then his own centred grief for Jessica, his father and now his brother.

If during the months Dean was in hell we do not see how this has impacted on Sam then I personally will feel very cheated.

As will I. I've been waiting and longing for some organic character development. Dean we know so well: what about Sam? While I love both boys (that's not even a question here), I wish Kripke would spend some time on Sam's character. I honestly believe there will be some character growth out of Dean's dying and going to hell. Part of me's just worried over the kind of growth.
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rozzy,Sep 7 2008
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I know Kripke seems to be steering the storyline down the whole Starwars mythology arc, the good one turning bad (Sam) only to be redeemed at the end (by a super charged up Dean), but who the hell wants to see our Sammy become the Supernatural equivalent of Darth Vader? Do we really need to lose that part of Sam that attracted us to him, the gentleness of a man forced back into a world he once tried to escape from. Not that he was ever weak - he always had a strength of will and honesty about him that has made him strong enough to continue battling despite all his losses.

I've always seen Sam as being the Luke Skywalker of this story: he's called to arms rather unwillingly, then once his mentor dies (John? Dean?), he comes into his own, learns about the Force (maybe Sam's latent abilities?) and rather than use them for evil (as the YED clearly wanted), use them to kick some demonic butt.

But that's just me. And that's what I'm hoping to see. Because while a lot of people want to see Sam turn dark!side, I am someone who doesn't. The shallow part of me would like to, because how hot was BUaBS? But seriously, I think it would demean the character himself. Why take away the essence of what makes Sam . . . Sam? His kindness and compassion? His geeky intelligence and ability to analyze a situation without emotion?

Ya know, I can understand why the YED wanted him . . .
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Because while a lot of people want to see Sam turn dark!side, I am someone who doesn't.


I happen to agree. I do not nor would I ever want Sam to go evil. It would demean what he stood for. It would destroy Mary's baby, and that makes me want to cry.
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