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| Where's ... Sam?; AKA ... the Amazing Disappearing SL | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 4 2009, 01:32 PM (985 Views) | |
| sammycat | Mar 8 2009, 10:44 PM Post #16 |
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I Full-On Swayze'd That Mother
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No, Jared and Sam stand out. Look at him in Jus in Bello. Hardly any dialogue but Sam was still there. This is totally on the writers and Kripke. I blame thee, Eric Kripke! *points damning finger* |
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| MalAdjusted | Mar 8 2009, 10:51 PM Post #17 |
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What Would Buffy Do?
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Its like one of those picture games where you have to spot the diference between two pictures that on the surface seem identical. People who dont notice detail (like one brother only having 60 seconds in one ep) don't see the changes or differences. Those paying attention circle: Lack of brotherly bond *circle* Lack of Sams story *circle* Lack of development *circle* Giant silhouette where Sam used to be *CIRCLE* |
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| sammycat | Mar 8 2009, 11:00 PM Post #18 |
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I Full-On Swayze'd That Mother
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You're right. I tried to explain to someone who likes Sam but is bibro why many many Sam fans have become upset with the show and she just couldn't see what I was talking about. No malice intended, but she didn't see what a lot of other people have seen (or not seen, as the case may be) as a problem with how Sam is treated by Show. |
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| tammitam | Mar 9 2009, 04:32 AM Post #19 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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I bet they would notice if Dean was only featured for 60 seconds, driving off with Anna ... and then the rest of the show featured Sam. |
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| MalAdjusted | Mar 9 2009, 10:20 PM Post #20 |
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What Would Buffy Do?
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Exactly. And thats what I say to people who say its not an issue. I dont understand how the 60 second thing can be overlooked- its not like thats our 'opinion', thats a fact. It happened. Sam wasnt featured in the S4 promos, at all, ever. Fact. He wasnt in the Comic Con clip, and he wasnt in the first what? 20 minutes at least of the first episode. But any time we bring that up we get rolled eyes, like we're nit-picking and dramatizing, yet they would fucking FLIP if this happened with Dean... |
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| sammycat | Mar 10 2009, 09:22 PM Post #21 |
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I Full-On Swayze'd That Mother
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That's why I think the ultimate message of this show is so negative. It's like stopping Luke Skywalker's story and making it about someone else, not for story necessity but out of who is more popular. Therefore, Sam is not allowed to be a real hero on this show, because he always loses the popularity polls. Honestly, the message I am getting from Kripke on his own show is: bleep you for watching, have a nice life, like I give a crap, oh look!more Dean! If this is Sam's story, he should damn well be the star of it, and not anybody else. If Kripke thinks that's good for Sam, then it should be good for Dean as well. Sam should be the star of Dean's story. And make it obvious, too. |
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| fandrea | Mar 19 2009, 07:40 AM Post #22 |
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You're Like a Walking Encyclopedia of Weirdness
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I thought I was the only one with these issues. Heck I could rant about this season for hours. The most important thing, as you say, where the f*ck is Sam? I fell in love with a show about two brothers, Sam and Dean. And found their relationship fascinating. Now both the relationship (well strained) and Sam is almost gone. Makes me fear for the season finale and the next season. And the Dean fans (well some of them) are making me mad. We say a word and we get told to shut up, we are bad fans, bashers etc. And the bashers are a different matter, they are just to bash Sam, Jared and their fans. And that 40 seconds in ITB? That hurt. I never watched it, but the fact they did that hurt. Not just the cameo though, but that they left him out of an important episode like that. He didn't get to meet and interact with his family. That was all in all a low blow. I lost faith and trust in Kripke since S2, now I am angry with the guy. Why is he going to sites like TWOP for reactions anyway? He should tell his storry and not listen to fans. Especially the crazy ones, like those over there. Okay, that was long and a rant. Sorry. *blushes* fandrea |
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| sammycat | Mar 23 2009, 07:28 PM Post #23 |
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I Full-On Swayze'd That Mother
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TWOP is a Sam-haters, Dean-lovers paradise. Kripke's getting his fan imput from people who are psychotic about perfect selfless saint Dean and his mean selfish evil brother Sam. And instead of fighting them by making Sam more popular with better material, he fucks over Sam and his fanbase for no reason other than weakness and lack of attention. Oh, and they rewired the entire show because fans want to ship Castiel with Dean (which is rape and necrophilia, is it not?), so we know they are aware of fan wants. It's trashy and cheesy this season all the way. |
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| MalAdjusted | Mar 24 2009, 12:28 AM Post #24 |
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What Would Buffy Do?
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Ohh, but it would be okay for Dean to sleep with Cas, because according to him, the accountant 'prayed for this'. I know I often pray to be possessed by an angel... :rolleyes: Oh wait, he got stabbed by the demon knife way back, didn't he? So maybe the accountant IS dead. Dunno. Just know its OKAY for St Dean to sleep with him. Bah. I actually like Cas, and hey, I'll admit it now, I like slash pairings too in some things. An Cas is hot. But they've injected him right into SAMS place at Deans side, and that automatically puts him on my shit list, sorry. |
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| tammitam | Mar 24 2009, 06:25 AM Post #25 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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I actually abhor slash, I personally find it repulsive, but that's me. But putting Castiel in Sam's place ... bah, go back to your pedestal Cas and leave the real demon hunting to the experts. Because ... where the f*** was he when Sam was getting stabbed? Where the f*** was he when the devil's gate was opened? |
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| MalAdjusted | Mar 24 2009, 09:54 PM Post #26 |
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Hmmm, it depends on the slash pairing for me. Im honestly a big fan of the Mohinder/Sylar pairing, as long as folk dont write it TOO dark... and its close enough to canon what with Sy's seriously unhealthy fixation with Mo. I dont like any of the slash pairing for Firefly, but I think thats because I love them each with their intended partners. Mal belongs with Inara, dammit! And River and Simon slash...*shudder* :angry: I never understood the desire to pair Fox Mulder with Crychek (sp) either, it seemed so obvious he should be with Scully and I never felt any kind of connection between them anyway. Spock and Kirk however... shocked as I was the first time I heard about it I can still totally SEE that one, lol, if you seriously stretch the parameters of Spocks emotions and ignore all the females littering Kirks bedroom. :lol: Sam and Dean slash? I blame that on Jensen and Jared great chemistry. It just comes through so loudly (at least it used to), so even though I was appalled the first time I came across it, after a while it was easy enough to shrug off. And Show encouraged it with ass-slaps and gay jokes, so meh, they can just deal with the outcome and the zillion fics. My only real complaint against those kind of fics is really the shows reaction- I think they purposely made them stop touching (except for dramatic hugs), made them stop wearing one layer, and made them OBVIOUSLY sleeping with GIRLS just to make sure we all understood the boys are straight. Or...well...according to Dean and Show.... at least DEAN is straight... But I think Sam may be right, and he's just overcompensating!!!
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| sammycat | Mar 31 2009, 09:20 PM Post #27 |
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I Full-On Swayze'd That Mother
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If you go back to season 3, though, all those first few episodes contained at least one joke against Sam for being a woman, or gay, or a princess, or somehow not a man. I didn't like that, not because being gay is wrong, but because using it as an INSULT is. And to use it against a character that is a lead on a hero show? WTF? I thought it was a way to belittle Sam at the time, and now look at this season. Even if Sam were Dean's girlfriend, he would be treated better than he is now. The payoff for crapping all over Sam this season better be so outrageously awesome that REAL angels would weep. Instead, I'm betting we'll end it on a close-up of Dean's emo face, as he heads off alone with Castiel in the Impala. Sam will be alone with Ruby, and totally dissed for his weakness and Being John. I pray for awesomeness though. Maybe Sam can become as big as Dr. Manhattan, and we can see his big, enormous, naked body stalking across the American Heartland, which looks remarkably like Canada! He can squish all the ghosts between his fingers before Dean and Cas even get into town, ha ha. |
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| Mikiya | Jun 17 2009, 11:57 AM Post #28 |
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Oh, Eat Me, No Wait, You Actually Might
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I think this season really quallifies for a new banner for boards like this one or the sftcolars: "We lost our Sam." ![]() Yeah, I know, couldn't help it...
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| Spoilerwolf | Jun 17 2009, 12:28 PM Post #29 |
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A Big, Steamy Pile of Nothing
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HAHA! Definitely need to promote THAT banner, Mikiya. Totally true. |
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| tammitam | Jun 17 2009, 08:04 PM Post #30 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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Along with this banner I made some months ago, and wore proudly for a bit.![]() GMTA!! |
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