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How would you rate “Two and a Half Men”?
Awesome! 2 (28.6%)
Pretty good 1 (14.3%)
It was okay 2 (28.6%)
Meh 0 (0%)
Parts were okay, but it could have better 1 (14.3%)
Didn’t like it 1 (14.3%)
Hated it… this episode should be salted and burned! 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 7
Episode 6.02 “Two and a Half Men”; Episode discussion and rating poll
Topic Started: Oct 1 2010, 12:23 PM (276 Views)
Scifidiva
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Official CW Desciption:
“Two and a Half Men”

SAMUEL CREATES CONFLICT BETWEEN DEAN AND SAM — Sam (Jared Padalecki) investigates a case about missing babies whose parents are being murdered. At one of the crime scenes, he discovers a baby that was left behind and calls Dean (Jensen Ackles) for help. Reluctant to leave Lisa (guest star Cindy Sampson) and Ben (guest star Nicholas Elia), Dean finally agrees to meet Sam and surprises his brother with how parental he has become.... The brothers take the baby to Samuel (Mitch Pileggi), who decides to raise it as a hunter, which infuriates Dean. However, before they can decide the baby’s future, a shape-shifter breaks in and attempts to kidnap the baby. John Showalter directed the episode written by Adam Glass (##602).

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:waves: Enjoy the episode and please rate and discuss!
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Here we go again. Two episodes in and we're already back to Dean not trusting Sam. Don't think I can stand much more of that. I know we can't go back to Season 1 Dean and Sam, but is it too much to ask for the boys to be close again.
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I voted it was okay because it had it's moments -- ones I will comment on later because I have to think and gather my thoughts.

However, I'm not sure if Dean's distrust is fully of Sam. I think it might be more the Campbell's he doesn't trust. And from what I saw in the last few minutes where it looks like Samuel was selling monsters to some unknown, I agree.

I'm not sure Sam trusts them fully, not like he does Dean. After all, as pointed out by Donna, Samuel is just that ... never grandpa.

I did like this far better than last week, but again, I'll post my full thoughts later.
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For me the episode was incomplete: what was de the resolution for the baby? Or he will be back?
There was cute and funny moments ^_^
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:279 Welcome new CWESS member Fabi!

Fabi, you're right that the baby issue is unresolved - perhaps we'll see the Alpha Shifter again. I found it very interesting that the show canon now suggests that there's two ways "shifters" are born - but a natural mutation that results in monstrous appearing babies and by procreation between the Alpha Shifter and normal female. And possibly by the Alpha's normal appearing progeny and other normal parents of each sex. So who knows how many shapeshifter hybrids are out there.

The baby's "first shift" must occur at about 6 months. At that time the Alpha shifter would kill the parents and take the baby, likely to be raised by other "shifter parents until it was ready to reproduce also. If the hybrid babies are sterile then it's somewhat pointless because one of the main biological imperatives of a species is to reproduce itself.

When facing the Campbell Clan, note that the alpha shifter's primary concern was for retrieving it's child which it held tenderly. It responded when attacked, killed Mark and nearly Gwen but didn't substantially harm Sam, Dean or the other Campbells when it could easily (unless they shot it full of silver bullets rather than tranks) killed them all. It could change its shape without getting any of the original's DNA.

Several mysteries are solved; the Campbells' objective was to "bag and tag" and not necessarily to kill (Samuel said "get the silver net"). Samuel is taking orders from someone or something, but I don't know how much Sam is involved. When they took the Djinn female he made certain that both Sam and Dean were out of sight, but this time Sam just went with Dean to their panic room.

I'm not 100% positive yet that the Campbell's are evil themselves or work for someone/thing that's "Higher Up" and EVIL. I think (and hope) that "The Campbell's are EVIL" is too cliché and obvious to be shown twice now in the first two episodes that they have an hidden agenda.


More this weekend along with the rating. I haven't posted much any thoughts on Sam or Dean yet, but I'll end with this:

Dean Winchester is Back in Black! :car :toast

I liked this episode a little better than the premiere because everything moved at a more logical but faster pace but the premiere WAS more mysterious. I wasn't clock watching for any of it as I was for portions of the premiere.
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I liked the episode. I loved the scenes with just Sam, Dean and the baby. I love that we got twice the Sam and Dean in this episode. Two Jareds and two Jensens make me happy.

I hate how a lot of fans are assuming based on a look that Sam told the Campbells about Dean's time in hell. First off, we all know how much Sam loves Dean. Secondly, we know how much Dean's death affected Sam b/c he went to hell so that Sam could live. I cannot believe that he would blab about what Dean did in hell, knowing how it affected Dean.

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what was de the resolution for the baby?

I guess he's gonna be raised by his shapeshifter father.
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I just watched the episode a few hours ago (yeah I know, late to the game) and I really wasn't sure if Sam did or not. The look could be taken as 'guilty' as in, he told them - or *internal cringe* 'can't believe he brought THAT up' - they could have heard it from anywhere.

For me, even IF Sam did, I have NO doubt that he didn't do it out of any malicious intent - Sam seems very driven by facts and figures so far, so perhaps he gave a run down on what happened with the Apocalypse?

But we'll (probably) never know. I doubt it'll be brought up again.

I rated this episode 'it was okay' because while I loved the scenes with the baby/Sam/Dean, the final scene with Dean accusing Sam of using the kid as bait and a few interactions with the Campbell's earlier left a nasty taste in my mouth. (and for the record, I believe Sam told the truth when he said that he didn't use the kid as bait/had no knowledge of the Alpha shifter coming after them).
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Oct 3 2010, 01:38 AM, Spoilerwolf wrote:
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I rated this episode 'it was okay' because while I loved the scenes with the baby/Sam/Dean, the final scene with Dean accusing Sam of using the kid as bait and a few interactions with the Campbell's earlier left a nasty taste in my mouth. (and for the record, I believe Sam told the truth when he said that he didn't use the kid as bait/had no knowledge of the Alpha shifter coming after them).


I agree. I don't think Sam used the baby as bait to get the shifter. I was really ticked that Dean even suggested it. That's one of the things I hated about the episode. I'm starting to think to that by the time we get to Sam's reveal of what happened in the cage, it will be too late to repair the boys' relationship. We're only two episodes in and not only does Dean not trust Sam but he thinks his little brother is capable of using a baby as bait.
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maxandkiz,Oct 3 2010
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Oct 3 2010, 01:38 AM, Spoilerwolf wrote:
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I rated this episode 'it was okay' because while I loved the scenes with the baby/Sam/Dean, the final scene with Dean accusing Sam of using the kid as bait and a few interactions with the Campbell's earlier left a nasty taste in my mouth. (and for the record, I believe Sam told the truth when he said that he didn't use the kid as bait/had no knowledge of the Alpha shifter coming after them).


I agree. I don't think Sam used the baby as bait to get the shifter. I was really ticked that Dean even suggested it. That's one of the things I hated about the episode. I'm starting to think to that by the time we get to Sam's reveal of what happened in the cage, it will be too late to repair the boys' relationship. We're only two episodes in and not only does Dean not trust Sam but he thinks his little brother is capable of using a baby as bait.

I gave the episode a "Pretty Good" because I only gave the premiere an "Okay" and I live this episode better.

I agree mazandkiz and Jess - Sam's "Not Guilty" of using the shifter baby as bait. Unfortunately the show seems to only recognize that Sam wanted to use their 19 year half brother "Adam" as bait and completely overlooked the fact that Dean used a non relative juvenile, 12 year old Michael as bait. I guess the show calls that "character growth" for Dean but "character devolution" for Sam.

When Sam was lying about Ruby we (the audience) could always tell he was lying and I couldn’t see any of his “lying tells” in this particular scene. When the shifter policeman broke into their motel room to take the baby, told Dean about the “Our Father” deal it was a good 20-30 seconds before Sam shot the shifter; I realize that the show is trying to depict Sam as cool and strategic, but I doubt Sam would wait while shifter was wailing on Dean because he knew this shifter had killed at least 9 other people. I honestly think he didn’t hear the shifter and honestly was confused by Dean’s accusation.

Now backing up timewise to the inflammatory question of whether Sam told the Campbell Clan about Dean’s torturing in Hell: truthfully – I just can’t tell. I’ve looked at the entire exchange – Christian-Dean-Sam – DVR frame by frame about 10 times my and twice on my Amazon download (which is clearer). Sometimes I see Sam looking down then as if in guilt and sometimes it looks as if he’s slightly rolling his eyes. I agree with Jess, though, IF he did, he did in conjunction with explaining both of their roles in starting of apocalypse.

But the Campbells seem to be SuperHunters so maybe they captured a higher level demon who knew how and who broke the first seal (while average hunters as in FTBYAM and DSOTM only seemed to know Sam freed Lucifer [and Hank and Reggie knew about the effect DB had on Sam]) and we know even a grunt level angels like Castiel knew about Dean breaking the first seal. Samuel allegedly was pulled from Heaven and I’m fairly sure that Heaven was buzzing about the broken seals, freeing of Lucifer and maybe Sam’s throwing himself into the Cage after Dean got through to him.

Jess is right, though, it’ll probably never come again and even Past!Dean took Future!Dean to task for resuming torture. It would be hypocritical for him to be super pissed at Christian for bringing up because Dean sort of did jump to the conclusion that they were going to “take the baby apart and see what made it tick” (and there’s a small chance he’s right but he was wrong to leap to that conclusion) . Soooo…. I don’t think “that” knowledge is a big a deal as fans are making it out to be, and note that Dean didn’t call Sam out on being the one to spill the beans.

I did find it … odd… how passive/virtually non-expressive Sam became once he was in Campbell compound. His demeanor reminded me of how his was in the premiere. Yes, he stepped up to defend Dean twice to Christian’s taunts but it was sort of low key, not in “You talk to my brother that way again and I’ll rip your lungs out!” passion.

I do think Adam Glass did a very good job with his episode. He did a much better job at writing “Dean” than Dabb/Lolfin in their first episodes.

I think he did a very good job at writing Nu!Sam; Sam’s initial reaction that if crazy civvies were killing couples and snatching babies it wasn’t “Their” kind of problem and Samuel’s disagreeing and asking what’s up with Sam (even though a very small part of me thinks Samuel’s “What’s Up” with Sam) was spot on and very consistent with his unwillingness to save the 99% likely dead neighbors in the premiere. Nu!Sam must have rethought about it and got his head back into the game and managed to save the baby.

I think it will be a slow process of regaining some of our Sam back.

The babies were adorable and I love how Sam and Dean were both initially flumoxxed at baby care 101 though Dean had the edge and not just because he "raised Sam" - Lisa had a baby niece. We've already seen how young children react favorably to Dean so that was no surprise.

I also liked how Sam rationally compared Dean's situation with raising Ben to how they were raised; if Sam (and Samuel) hadn't been "raised" perhaps Dean could raise Ben "outside the life" but now that they are back all bets are off. Now there's more proof that "monsters" know where Dean is (even though I've already expressed suspicions about Grandpa siccing the Djinn familt first on Sam and then on Dean to bring him back in).

I wonder who Grandpa Samuel was talking to on the phone – the Collector Boss? The entity/or human who brought both Sam’s back? Are they one and the same?

I like the way Glass handled Lisa/Ben for the short term; that’s part one of my ideal scenario – Lisa asks Dean to leave (for now).
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Welcome new CWESS member Fabi!
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thank you!!!

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Scifidiva,Oct 1 2010
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:279 Welcome new CWESS member Fabi!


Thank youuuu!
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