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| Episode 6.04 “Weekend at Bobby’s”; Episode discussion and rating poll | |
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| Scifidiva | Oct 15 2010, 04:18 PM Post #1 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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Official CW Desciption: JENSEN ACKLES' DIRECTORIAL DEBUT - After Bobby (Jim Beaver) discovers Crowley (Mark Sheppard) has no intentions of returning Bobby's soul, the hunter takes matters into his own hands. He calls on Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) for help after he unearths one of Crowley's deepest secrets. Meanwhile, Sam and Dean learn what Bobby does all day when they are not around. Jensen Ackles directed the episode written by Andrew Dabb & Daniel Loflin Enjoy the episode and please rate and discussOne more positive thing about the episode – besides Jensen’s directing it – is the episode follows Smallville’s mega-milestone 200th episode which hopefully will drawn more Nielson viewers who will hang around for SPN. SPN has always had better retention following SV anyway. The promos were great and it's "killing me" what Crowley's deepest secret is. I've read speculations that Crowley is actually an "Angel on the lam" (as is/was Gabriel/The Trickster) and may even be "Balthazar" in another vessel. I don't think Crowley's deepest secret is that his secret identity is the angel Balthazar, and he's unlikely to be an angel unless the Enochian Warding Magic that was keeping Castiel "OUT" in 5.10 didn't include a sigil to keep "Angel Crowley" out, which is an easily explained possibility; in Gaimon/Pratchett's "Good Omen's" "Crowley" was a fallen angel who didn't want the scheduled apocalypse either. Alternatively, I'd prefer if Crowley's deepest secret is that he made a deal with the Horseman Death or has been working in some capacity for Death since Sam dragged Lucifer and Michael/Adam into the HellCage. |
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| Scifidiva | Oct 15 2010, 10:22 PM Post #2 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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Wow! I'm surprised because I rarely post first. I voted "Awesome" because it really, really was. There are two votes for Awesome so far. I have an established rep of being really critical (review -wise) of Supernatural but this episode although Winchester-lite had a perfect blend of fan favorite recurring secondary characters as the main storyline and the harried, father figure, Bobby, as the focal character. The episode was very well written and fantastically paced and directed by Jensen Ackles and every minute was chock full of important scenes - there wasn't a "dead moment" where I was clock watching anywhere in the episode. Great job, Jensen! More detailed review tomorrow. I'll say in advance that Crowley's secret was a little light in loafers, meaning his original body reveal as a simple tailor who sold his soul because he was "underendowed"; . I fully expected Crowley to take Lucifer's place as "King of Hell" so that was no surprise. I guess I wanted there to be more of a connection between Crowley and Death. |
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| Irishgirl | Oct 15 2010, 10:57 PM Post #3 |
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A Big, Steamy Pile of Nothing
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I voted this one awesome too. I thought Jensen did a wonderful job directing. I loved direct by Jensen Ackles in the credits.
I agree. Jim Beaver and Steven Williams have great chemistry. They had this Odd Couple vibe going on. I hope we get more Rufus this season. I love my Winchesters, but I have to admit that I was so engrossed in Bobby's story line that I wasn't bothered by the lack of Sam and Dean in the episode. So Crowely's real name is Fergus McLeod? It makes me giggle.
More like light in the kilt. :lol: Crowley's impression of Bobby was hysterical and spot-on. |
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| maxandkiz | Oct 15 2010, 10:58 PM Post #4 |
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Bring it on, Baldy
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I voted awesome, too. I laughed my way through this one. Poor Bobby couldn't even stop to eat without someone bothering him. And the one hunter who called him and then called right back. I loved every minute of this one. It really was awesome!(just wish I hadn't seen the preview for next week. )
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| tammitam | Oct 16 2010, 08:30 AM Post #5 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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I voted awesome as well. "How are you even still alive?" What's sad? The worst part of the whole episode was the end with Sam and Dean ... that was the five seconds that bored me. They need to do something with their chemistry, because it's rather drab. Crowley was great, and his imitation of Bobby was awesome. Steve Williams was great too, but I've loved him since his 21 Jump Street Days ... bet no one remembered that! Poor Crowley ... is packing a wee little man under his kilt!
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| Irishgirl | Oct 16 2010, 09:49 AM Post #6 |
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A Big, Steamy Pile of Nothing
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I do! He was Captain Fuller. I also remember him from the X-Files. Speaking of 21 Jump Street, they also had Penhall on SN. Peter Deluise was in JIB. |
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| tammitam | Oct 16 2010, 11:15 AM Post #7 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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If they have Johnny Depp, I'll just SQUEE!!!!! |
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| Irishgirl | Oct 16 2010, 09:07 PM Post #8 |
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A Big, Steamy Pile of Nothing
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That would be so awesome! |
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| Spoilerwolf | Oct 17 2010, 11:30 AM Post #9 |
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A Big, Steamy Pile of Nothing
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I also voted 'awesome' - one of the few times in the last three years that an episode has gotten one from me ![]() And what's sad about this is that this IS SamnDean lite - and it's been the best episode this season. What does that say about show? Bobby and Rufus reminded me of S1-S2 SamnDean - all the 'odd couple' stuff and the "don't you do that!" "I'm doing it!" stuff lol. |
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| tammitam | Oct 17 2010, 12:04 PM Post #10 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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Like I had said ... the most boring part was the end with SamNDean ... it was just ... YAWN. I wonder if the writer's forgot what we like about the show? Or maybe they just forgot how to write it. |
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| Scifidiva | Oct 18 2010, 12:16 AM Post #11 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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You're so right, Jess... Bobby and Rufus were very like S1/2 SamnDean!
Good one! You're absolutely right.
I’m hoping that’s part of the point of the episode … that the boys’ chemistry is messed up because “Sam’s different” and Dean doesn’t know how to react to New!Sam. Sam swears he’s okay and Dean knows he’s not, so he tried to go “chick flicky” with Bobby about Sam until an exasperated, overworked and still under the heavy weaponry of Crowley’s refusal to return Bobby’s soul, phew, Bobby, cut him off and told off both boys. (Now very cleverly, by having Bobby launch into his “tirade” the show avoided having Bobby say anything about how he found out that Sam was “back” and saved that “reveal” until later, possibly the next episode Bobby will be in or the next, next episode. ) I won’t repeat the praise that has already been covered on the electric chemistry between Jim and Mark (Crowley), Jim and Steve (Rufus) and Jim and well, every other cast member, because we all know it was amazing. I never expected to enjoy a Winchester-lite, particularly Sam-XTRa – lite, episode so much even though I love Bobby as a character. I just loved seeing how Bobby juggles his day, between answering “Government Agency” phone calls from sometimes semi-moronic hunters, to helping SamnDean identify their MOTW and tell them how to kill it when Plan A failed, to dealing with his lonely neighbor (and saving her life “Story of my life” ,) to helping out his “grumpy old friend/odd couple friend – while he was busy with Item #1 on his “To Do” list – getting the dirt on Crowley and “field testing” something that was supposed to be a myth. One clear theme emerged from our bird’s eye view of Bobby’s “weekend” – Bobby does not like and is very uncomfortable with asking for help. This is vastly over simplistic but each time (in the episode) that he overcame his extreme discomfort of asking for help (Sheriff Mills) and either asked, or reluctantly accepted it(Rufus tracking down info on Crowley from only the name of Crowley’s favorite brand of Scotch), or completed his possibly well earned rant at the boys - he got help. Sam (quietly): "Bobby, all you have to do is ask." The most prevalent controversy of the episode I’ve seen is that if you find out a demon’s original name and locate their bones and burn them you can kill them as permanently as shooting them with The Colt or mortally wounding them with Ruby’s knife does. Demons are as Bobby put it (after the “test” on the CRD worked) “Twisted Spirits with Egos”. If all demons were once human and if through either deals with demons or because they did Hell Worthy things in their life, these humans went to Hell after they died and were tortured and twisted until they became demons. So it makes sense if you find the demon’s bones and burn them their twisted souls go somewhere else (neither Heaven nor back to Hell), or are obliterated. The first problem is finding the demon’s bones since every demon that had a “name” on the show was a minimum of hundreds of years “dead”. The second problem is burning the demon’s bones causes the current host’s body to also be destroyed and is a particularly pesky moral in the case of CRD’s who seem only to take host bodies when someone summons them and then exit them when the deal is done (Crossroad Blues); so the CRD is a good example of a short term possession that seems to leave the host body unharmed. So when Bobby torched the CRDs bones he very likely killed the possessed girl as well. I can’t even venture to guess how Bobby found the CRDs bones but I tend to give “Special Episodes” a pass when it comes to step by step details. Now, I think Bobby still has both The Colt and Ruby’s knife. I don’t think I saw him give them back to Dean at the end of Swan Song. So, after his Devil’s Trap failed to keep Crowley’s Hellhound from making Alpo out of him if Crowley had given the word to sic'em, why didn’t Bobby just trap him then immediately shoot him dead with The Colt? It was a simple manner to summon him again and trapped demons are supposedly powerless themselves. I think it was a case of what Bobby said when he originally trapped Crowley – stay until you rot or release my soul. Bobby had to have significant leverage over Crowley – and that’s where Rufus, Dean and Sam came in – to threaten Crowley with something far worse than to simply be exorcised out of his current (likely dead host, thanks to Bobby shooting it) – complete obliteration. Crowley had to do to the “hand waving ritual” to release Bobby’s soul. Bobby couldn’t risk just killing Crowley and betting that his soul wouldn’t be pulled to hell anyway by Crowley’s successor. And that’s my novel for today… and I'm ready to dig into Marcy's Ginger Peach Cobbler ,
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. I fully expected Crowley to take Lucifer's place as "King of Hell" so that was no surprise. I guess I wanted there to be more of a connection between Crowley and Death.
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