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| Episode 6.06 “You can’t handle the truth”; Episode discussion and rating poll | |
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| Scifidiva | Oct 29 2010, 12:49 PM Post #1 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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Official CW Desciption: “SUPERNATURAL” - “You Can’t Handle the Truth” THE TRUTH HURTS — Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) investigate a series of suicides and discover the victims were being told brutal truths that drove them crazy. They find out someone is invoking the Goddess of Truth, Veritas, forcing people to be cruelly honest against their will and Dean is the next victim. Dean is forced to tell Sam the truth about how he feels about his return from Hell. Rod Hardy directed the episode written by Eric Charmelo & Nicole Snyder with story by David Reed, Eric Charmelo and Nicole Snyder Enjoy the episode and please rate and discuss |
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| tammitam | Oct 29 2010, 09:14 PM Post #2 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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I'll come back and say more, but I vote awesome. Mostly that is because this is the best episode besides Weekend at Bobby's (and that wasn't about the boys) this whole season. God ... that is sad. Six episodes in and I'm just now liking the season. |
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| Scifidiva | Oct 29 2010, 11:12 PM Post #3 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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Really, Tammi, because from an episode flow “standpoint” I thought LFOTH worked at lot more smoothly. I thought YCHTT was quite jerky in places. I tried to write a long, long post to follow-up on last week’s episode but I kept writing it and reworking it and deleting chunks and then it got too late and I didn’t post it. But if I did I would have been wrong about a few things. Basically I was going to “argue” that Sam had some kind of dual personality because at some points last week I felt he was telling the truth, especially to Samuel, about not knowing there was a cure, while another part of Sam knew there was and knew that Dean would be strong enough to resist “drinking a human”. But I would have been wrong because Sam lied and lied and lied to Dean because he can’t feel anything and he said he didn’t care about any repercussions. I was a little disturbed by some of Dean's conversations with Bobby, especially at Dean's saying he didn't even want to drive in the same car with Sam - but I understand Dean's fears that Sam was some kind of creature that neither had heard of (which was later sort of confirmed). We got confirmation that Bobby had tested Sam himself. And Dean's second call to Bobby - when he knew that he was cursed with "truth" was hysterical. Fortunately, Bobby convinced Dean that Sam Was Dean's next case. Didn't know what to say about Castiel, because obviously he can't tell Dean what is wrong with Sam except Sam's not Lucifer (but I got a sense that Cas was not telling Dean something he suspected). Don't really care atm what's going on in Heaven until it comes up again. I thought the initial scenes with Veritas were a little lightweight and kind of cheesy at the same time. Significant was that Veritas knew for sure that Sam was lying to her and that means he was lying to Dean. Veritas said Sam "wasn’t human", confirming Dean’s second to worst fear, Dean’s greatest fear being that Sam was Lucifer playing at being a Hunter for some unimaginable jollies . I don’t know at the moment if Sam was “immune” to her “Truth Spell” (as he is or was to the Croatoan Virus and “Demon Ray Guns”) or his sociopathic condition allows him to lie and believe the lies he telling when it suits him to do so, like training oneself to fool “lie detectors”. Sam sort of deserved the beating that Dean gave him for putting Dean’s life and far worse, Lisa, Ben’s and other humans he might have killed when he escaped. Sam knew he deserved it and more because he didn’t fight back. Not that approve of Dean’s punching Sam but that’s “in character” for Dean to do when he beyond pissed at Sam and scared sh*tless of him and for him at the same time. But on the up side Sam asked for help and now (after beating Sam senseless), Dean has a little more information to work with to give Castiel and Bobby. I’m glad the “Chamber of Horrors” belonged to Veritas and not the Campbells as some were speculating when the “long promo” came out. Speaking of promos, I’m disappointed that the scene of Sam leaping over the fence like a gazelle – even though he might have had a surface on the other side of the fence - was just another red herring (or cut scene) – like the scene in one of 6.01’s promos of Sam laughing like Meg!Sam was – to show us definitely that we were supposed to see something “off about Sam” other than what Dean was seeing and hearing. I'll have to watch it again to rate it but I'm leaning between Okay and Pretty Good. When I rate it, I will either edit this post or expand on a few new observations in another post. |
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| Mikiya | Oct 29 2010, 11:27 PM Post #4 |
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Oh, Eat Me, No Wait, You Actually Might
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I haven't seen it yet and so maybe I have to contradict myself later, but that just doesn't make sense for me. If Dean was angry about Sam selling him to the vamps, he would have beat Sam after he admitted that that was a mistake and that he sees that now. If at all. Dean beating Sam AFTER Sam tells him something's wrong with him, that he needs help... No. That's just plain wrong. I won't let him let off the hook easily for that and I'm really disappointed that he always resorts to violence toward Sam as soon when he's angry. Sam not fighting back doesn't necessarily mean he accepts it as punishment for what he's done to Dean, Sam NEVER fought back, never raised a hand against Dean before, that doesn't work for me either. |
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| Scifidiva | Oct 30 2010, 01:34 AM Post #5 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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After further consideration, I agree - sort of - with you. But punching Sam has been been Dean's "modus operandi(?)" for years whenever Sam does anything that calls attention to Dean's own emotional shortfalls (Bloodlust) or when Sam has done something to make Dean and the angels "angry"- even when Sam tries to explain himself (Metamorphosis). I do not mean that I think that's right, I only mean that is what Dean's "usual reaction" is. Heck, Dean even punched Sam in BUABS after Meg!Sam shot him, left him for dead, and then beat the stuffing out of him even though he was aware that newly exorcised Sam was completely innocent. Yes, I agree that you Dean started beating on Sam (and kept on beating him senseless) after Sam asked asked Dean for help. (That's why I rarely rate until I've watched an episode at least twice because I don't catch all the important details on only one viewing). But maybe (I'm trying to see Dean's side now), Sam asking for help smacked too much of "shuck and jive" move to beg Dean to let Sam off the hook for his misdeeds. From Sam's POV (and mine) Sam was sincerely begging Dean for help, but Dean was seeing RED because (Dean's OWN MISTAKE) was going to see Lisa (and waking Ben). I think at the same time Dean was beating Sam senseless he was metaphorically beating himself senseless because Dean, not Sam, endangered (and maybe lost forever) Lisa and Ben. True, Sam let Dean get turned knowing there was a cure, but Sam didn't think Dean would "get out" until he was ready to set Dean on the nest. Yes, Sam WAS reckless, but he didn't intend to get anyone hurt. I don't like Dean beating Sam senseless either - it was really overkill. It reminded me of 4.21 - when Bobby told Dean that finding Sam was about "getting him back, not pushing him away". So what does Dean do - try to kill Ruby, reason with an "addict", then call the addict a "monster", and expect the "monster" to not react. Dean should have taken the punch - and walked away - and then followed Ruby and Sam, instead of escalating the fight. Then in 4.22 Dean blamed Sam for it all and never even acknowledged his own role in putting his brother on the path of killing Lilith alone. |
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| markie | Oct 30 2010, 01:57 AM Post #6 |
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Who You Gonna Call?
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Sorry guys but I THINK the show is trying to make Dean look to much of a victim.. Sam is the real tragedy here and yet again we are seeing nothing from his pov.. He reached out the best way he could under the circumstances he is dealing with and asked for help and Dean does that to him .. |
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| tammitam | Oct 30 2010, 08:18 AM Post #7 |
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Out of the Fire and Back in the Frying Pan
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Yes, it was choppy, however ... it was the first show other than Weekend at Bobby's that I didn't ... yawn. It explained things, at least to a point ... and it made a turn in a direction I wanted the show to go -- which is bringing the brothers back to being brothers. As for Dean punching Sam, quite honestly, I would have too. He lied. He lied and asked for help only after he was caught in his lies. I'm not condemning Sam, not in the least, I adore Sam ... however, I try and view the show from an impartial viewpoint. As for Dean ... I don't find him faultless either. It was his vamped out decision to go to Lisa and Ben, just as it was Sam's when he went back to Ruby. I don't see Dean as a saint, nor Sam as a monster ... and I think they both need help. |
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| markie | Oct 30 2010, 12:04 PM Post #8 |
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Who You Gonna Call?
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Nothing but nothing justified that beating.. Anger is one thing Dean went beyond that.. He could of killed Sam , nothing can excuse how far Dean went.. |
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| Kyshal | Oct 30 2010, 12:46 PM Post #9 |
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You Smell Like a Toilet
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Hurray! FINALLY something about Sam! I actually loved this episode, simply because we we`re finally seeing something come to a head!
Exactly! And I was glad they decided to go with emotionless (as I was thinking and hoping) rather than *creature*. Though of course we don`t really know anything yet, and he was immune to the truth, but there are lots of ways to explain that. The scene where Sam was asking for help was really beautifully done and extremely creepy, at least to me. It was like Sam was trying to fake emotions he should be having. The look on his face was amazing, especially since the only reason he was admiting any of this is because he was caught. I can`t wait to find out what really is wrong with him! As for the beating, well, yes Dean probably went a little too far. But this is Dean, and he`s hurt Sam for way less. Getting him turned into a vampire is pretty serious, and yes, it was Deans decision to go see Lisa and Ben, but I figure he wasn`t completly in his right mind and the time. A lot like Sam when he was hopped up on "Gò" juice. Though I must say it bothers me that all of Sams decisions while in an altered state are placed squarly at his feet and make him a "monster" while Deans decisions in an altered state are placed squarely at Sams feet and are just another reason to make him a "monster." Dean, I love you, but seriously! All in all a good step in the direction I've been dying for this show to go since ep 1! Keep it up guys!! (please!) |
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| maxandkiz | Oct 30 2010, 09:28 PM Post #10 |
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Bring it on, Baldy
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Today at 12:46 PM, Kyshal wrote:
I agree.(and I haven't even seen the episode.) I'm afraid its like most everything on the show. If Sam does something, he's considered selfish or evil(even when under the influence), but when Dean does the same thing, he's always cast in a good light. I can't count the number of times Sam has been labeled a selfish "b" on the show(EDG opinions don't count) for wanting a normal life. Then Dean starts saying he wants out, wants a normal life and its poor Dean. Not one character last season(or this one) called him selfish for wanting out. seems Kripke's world has a double standard. |
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| Scifidiva | Nov 1 2010, 03:25 PM Post #11 |
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You're Invited Too, Grumpy!
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Maxandkiz, I agree with you and Kyshal about the indisputable nature of the double standard the show passes off as “Okey Dokey” in comparing Sam and Dean. I agree with Markie that I’m beyond tired of Dean’s frequently being portrayed as “the injured party” to make Dean the character “we” sympathize with”. Bobby was more right than he knew when he said the “Worst Case Scenario” was “Sam” was “Just Sam”. Which should have – but didn’t – set warning bells off in Dean’s mind and enable him to connect all the dots together differently and cause him to be hit in the face with the fact that being in the Cage with Lucifer, whoever short term it was, damaged Sam’s “psyche” severely. I’m not excusing what Sam did to Dean, which was worth a more constrained beat-down, not a beating beyond Sam’s having lost consciousness. I’m sorry I don’t feel what Sam “did to Dean” is a fraction of why Dean “lost” his “family”, possibly temporarily – and that self rage is part of why Dean kept beating and beating on Sam – and not just because he thought Sam was a monster and that had to be put down hard but not killed so “it” could be interrogated so Dean could find the “Real Sam”. I also agree with Kyshal in saying that this episode was possibly the turning point in the goal to get the boys back on the track and we got more Sam POV than we have this season. So I’m in full agreement with Kyshal’s last statement in her post. Sera Gamble seems to be succeeding so far in S6 in having every episode build organically on the previous though several episodes I still feel are “just okay” versus the “Pretty Good to Awesome” AVERAGE of the first 6 episodes of prior seasons; not one of them – to me – has felt like “filler”. I’m looking forward to the next episode. I ended up rating 6.06 “Pretty Good” and think the “mythology” ("WWWS", the Dean & Lisa “situation”) was a bit better presented this week than last week and last week’s episode I thought was slightly better written and executed (directed). Jared and Jensen were superb in this episode as they have been all season. JP seems to be getting better and better as an actor playing “New Sam”; I give him major acting props for continuing to reinvent major aspects of himself from S3 on. |
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