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How would you rate “Appointment in Samarra”?
Awesome! 4 (66.7%)
Pretty good 1 (16.7%)
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Parts were okay, but it could have better 0 (0%)
Didn’t like it 1 (16.7%)
Hated it… this episode should be salted and burned! 0 (0%)
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Episode 6.11 “Appointment in Samarra”; Episode discussion and rating poll
Topic Started: Dec 10 2010, 02:15 PM (376 Views)
Scifidiva
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Episode 6.11 "Appointment in Samarra"

DEATH RETURNS FOR A MEETING WITH DEAN - Dean (Jensen Ackles) seeks out Death (guest star Julian Richings) to help get Sam's (Jared Padalecki) soul back. Death tells Dean he will help Sam if Dean will agree to act as Death for 24 hours. Meanwhile, Sam decides he doesn't want his soul back and asks Balthazar (guest star Sebastian Roché) for a protective spell to keep his soul out of his body. Balthazar tells Sam he needs the blood of his father for the spell to work and since John Winchester is dead, Sam decides Bobby (Jim Beaver) is the next best thing.

Mike Rohl directed the episode written by Sera Gamble & Robert Singer (#611).

:waves: Enjoy the episode and please rate and discuss
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Scifidiva
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I'll be back tomorrow/this weekend with a longer post and a rating, because if I rated it after one viewing AIS would probably get no higher - and this would be pushing it - "Okay" or maybe as high as "Pretty Good" mostly for Sam and Bobby's nerve racking cat and mouse game.

"Death" was awesome of course but com'on Dean "sucked" as Death and not because that was obviously part of the lesson(how hard it is to "kill people" on the List :zzzz ) and he flunked - and acknowledged it but also because I felt I was watching a really, unemotional early episode of "Dead like Me". At least several episodes of the black dramedy/comedy "Dead like Me", particularly several of the early ones and then interspersed here and there had me blubbering like a baby. With Dean and the 12 year old terminal heart patient I felt no such pull on my heartstrings and even once Dean had "killed her" she said semi - sarcastically ""Natural Order is stupid!" - I was moved - not :rolleyes: .

Dean did finally grasp the most important part of Death's "lesson" - how "not taking" one "soul" at his/her's "time" could cause of cascade of other unfortunate events and the Winchesters were naturally the "Poster Boys" of the "unnatural" - as Dean put it in DTAH "All we do is ditch death" and each have "died" and been brough back multiple times. So small wonder the "Natural Order" is in "Disorder" and "Monsters are acting wacky".

Dean and Tessa had very little of their natural chemistry in their earlier scenes together (IMTOD and DTAH) - maybe because Tessa didn't want to be interrupted or babysit a newbie "Death/Boss". And since when on the show does "Death" (the Angel of) "kill people on the list" and the Tessa (or another Reaper) "shleps their souls"? Previously (IMTOD and DTAH) "Reapers" were the only intermediary between a living soul and death and The Horsemen/Angel of Death was "chained in a box" but was the Reapers "Boss".

Tomorrow or later this weekend I'll post more about Sam/Bobby/Balty and "the last act of the episode" from where Sam was about to skewer Bobby and Dean put Sam down in a very anticlimatic scene.
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Mikiya
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The only reason I don't vote "should be salted and burned" is the fact that I still love Death as a character and him once again telling Dean about how much a hybris he has had me giggling.

Most of all I hate this episode because it has finally driven me off, I'm no longer waiting every Friday night for the next episode. I will follow the episode threads on the forums I'm on to keep an eye on where the story is going, but after tonight I'm turning my back on this season and, ironically, I don't even feel bad about it. I won't leave fandom as such and I'm still a big fan of the earlier seasons (so yeah, I still love Supernatural), I'm just ignoring a few seasons, they are not part of my personal timeline... ;)

The reason? Well, I can't do this anymore, I can't watch anymore how the show treats Sam as a plot-device, as a thing who is forced into situations he never has any control over (Mary's deal, Dean bringing him back from the dead, forcing his soul back into his body) but still has to live with the consequences. I've had enough of this, I can't imagine watching the next episode with the boys back together again after watching this. The show/writers decided to go down this road, I finally (!!!) realized it's not the road I'm comfortable with and so be it.

I really, really hope you guys had a lot of fun watching it, though, and I really hope you can enjoy the rest of the season! :)
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I guess I'm in the minority (which is okay! LOL!) because I really liked the episode. I had expected hardly any Sam, and was pleasantly surprised that there was more of him than expected. I LOVED his and Bobby's scenes, and REALLY loved that Bobby knew something was up long before Sam tried to whack him!

Bobby Singer, you're my hero!!!

Dean's scenes were okay -- typical, but okay.

Death was ... FRAWESOME!!!! I just adore him.

And the last scene -- Sam was terrified. Even unfeeling, he knew what happened in the cage because even though his body got out quick, it still experienced some.

I don't doubt that Sam will 'scratch that itch' and have to face what happened to him in Luci's cage.
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Anna
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I really don't understand how people didn't like this episode, it was one of the best this season!!!! Dean did learn a lot as death and the idea that death takes an interest in what they do was creepy but cool! Sam chasing Bobby around the house was SO well done I was nearly screaming...and that at the end I agree with tammitam-you could see how terrified he was and I was furious when the episode ended like that! It was so unexpected after Dean failing death...plus there's the whole new story of how we know the wall is going to break soon.::and I have to say to Mikiya-Sam has always been a good guy who the world basically cursed...he and Dean are always the victims of some greater power and it's kind of the point...don't give up on supernatural now!!!!
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Spoilerwolf
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Okay, I FINALLY got to watch the episode. LOVED IT!!

1) BADASS!SAM!!! *is all giddy* Seriously, there needs to be a video made of his bad tush

2) While watching certain scenes a few times, I'm thinking that nasty 'cut' on Sam's leg was him partially landing on the axe blade from the fall. The blade itself was detached from the handle and the blade was next to Sam's thigh when he pushed himself up. No wonder he was bleeding bad. Poor baby

3) DEATH!!!! *smishes him* Seriously, he's another BAD. ASS. I love Death!! He just puts people in their place and definitely has an aura about him (besides bringer of death, lol). His speeches for the whole episode were great dialogue. That actor has presence, lol.

4) LIMP!SAM!!! *squee* Yes, fangirlish of me, but that boy gets knocked out twice, bleeding forehead and nasty leg wound, and the guy won't stay down. Almost like the little engine that could

5) SOUL!!!! Now, I could have a LONG discussion about the philsophical and moral/ethical standards and whether or not Sam should have had his soul forced on him, but that would be very long winded. This show, on occasion, can be quite the intellectual brain twister with its ethical dilemmas. Tonight (rather, last night) was just one of those nights.

Also, it was a bit odd that soulless!Sam was very emotional in not wanting his soul back as Death sat down beside him and Sam's soul sat nestled in the case (which btw, I always thought Sam's soul would be a bright glowing little ball of awesome ) I am curious as to why the emotional outburst - when Sam's supposed to be otherwise emotionless, but I think it was Kyelinn (poster on sn.tv) who posted an interesting theory about bleed through from Sam's soul that was affecting soulless!Sam.

6) POTENTIAL - there is SO much potential in the wake for Sam getting his soul back - angst, guilt (little bro/big bro moments hopefully) and possibly the walls coming DOWN. Bad news for Sam, great news for many Sam fans who want to see Jared rock out on breakdown!Sam of which honestly? The poor guy has really needed a good cry or two (and several mini meltdowns of which he's buried and buried for years - time to see it hit the screen!) I do see the walls either slowly falling down, or if the boys get into a real bad situation, I can see someone triggering the mental wall in Sam's head and setting it off. Awesome angst potential, and it would provide some movement in Sam's hell story. Perhaps there is some hidden knowledge that Sam possesses that both sides of the fence want - something in regards to purgatory or it's possible location. The fact that souls keep getting mentioned as powerful and very important (and that the focus of the first half of the season was really about getting SAM'S soul back - I think Sam will be at the least, an important figure in the continued 'soul' mytharc)


7) Bobby - awesome, as usual. I just hope Bobby will forgive Sam in time for what happened. He said it himself - Sam wasn't in his right mind (well, not the emotional/moral part of his mind)

Anywho, 10/10 for me.
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7) Bobby - awesome, as usual. I just hope Bobby will forgive Sam in time for what happened. He said it himself - Sam wasn't in his right mind (well, not the emotional/moral part of his mind)


I think, honestly, Bobby already forgave him, I think he knew, in part, that it wasn't Sam. Anti-Sam even said he wasn't Sam on more than one occasion.

Great points, and ITA'd with them all!!!
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I loved this episode! It was cool to see Tessa return. I think SN has good continuity with recurring character and it made sense that Death would pick a reaper Dean has a history with.

I know that some people had issues with Dean not killing the girl from the get go, but he wouldn't be the Dean we know and love if he didn't take issue with killing a 12 year old.

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I think, honestly, Bobby already forgave him,

I agree. Bobby knew that Sam with a soul would never try to kill him.

I have a feeling that Sam is going to scratch the itch. Maybe a little bit at a time. I know Jared will rock the emotional scenes.
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Which it's understandable Bobby would be skeptical, considering Sam just went all Jack Nicholson in The Shining on him. I wonder how long it will take Bobby to forgive him? I just really don't feel that our Sammy should be held responsible for anything that his skin did while it was topside without him inside of it, quite honestly...

It's not Real!Sam's fault, but I have a feeling Real!Sam is going to sit there and overwhelm himself in the guilt of everything that's happened from the killing innocents collateral to letting Dean get turned into a vampire to not caring about Dean and saying so loudly and openly to going after Bobby. I think it's really going to hurt him that he could do something like that to the people he loves and the only two people he really has left on earth.
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I edited the last post to remove anything spoilery of the upcoming episode.

All spoiler comments should be in the speculation threads and the spoiler threads.

Sorry!! :)
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