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Episode 6.12 pushed to Feb 4 2011
Topic Started: Jan 28 2011, 01:52 AM (267 Views)
Scifidiva
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... So the CW so encore the TVD/Nikita winter premieres because TVD is not only up against AI it's being pre-empted by a Mayoral debate in Chicago (#3 tv market) and a basketball game (I think) in Baltimore (#26). So instead of moving the TV/Nikita premieres to next Thursday, The CW Suits decided postpone the highly publicized premieres of SV/SPN to next Friday. But we got a bone - insteading of reairing the premiere encores Nikita/TVD next Wedneday, they will re-rerun SV10.11 (Icarus) and SPN 6.11 (AIS) - yup, against AI on Wedneday,
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I'm almost ready to toss in the towel. I'm so pissed about this.
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tammitam,Jan 28 2011
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I'm almost ready to toss in the towel.  I'm so pissed about this.

Please don't throw in the towel because that could be what the CW suits want SPN fans to do. And the tragedy of this whole UGLY, poorly handled situation is that it was totally unnecessary because even with TVD being preempted in Chicago and Baltimore the CW affiliates just aired TVD sometime after Nikita so the results still counted in the Finals. Nikita did much better than it has been doing for the the last few episodes of the Fall and TVD did very well (~3.3ish M viewers, A 18-49 1.6/4, W18-34 2.3/7) against AI. TVD has nothing to be worried about - it was the suits at the CW who panicked unnecessarily. (I even think the "Chicago" preemption helped TVD a little because it aired after AI).

I'm really very pissed but there's little constructive to do atm except make sure we keep all the the very positive buzz generated by the media attention going. I sent feedback to the CW yesterday expressing my extreme displeasure on how the situation was very poorly handled but I don't expect any reactions from the CW. I DVR'd TVD & Nikita today - ff'd through them both and at least they showed promos and added "all new next week".

An early renewal be a nice reward but as I was telling Fandrea on the General Spoiler thread now that Fringe has 2 new episodes under their belt and Fringe fans are chortling with glee at our predicament, those Nielson viewers who were following both shows (watching one "live" and DVRing the other) who were on the fence about what show to continue watching live may continue to watch Fringe live and DVR SPN, with no guarantee ('coz it's Friday night) of watching SPN by 3 am so SPN's DVR figures are counted in the "Finals".

In other words, the delay of the premiere may have "screwed" SPN and allowed Fringe to gain a larger foothold in the ratings. SPN can't afford to drop too low in viewers but especially in the adult demo to be renewed for S7.
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My main problem is with this is the timing. Seriously bad timing. I could deal with the delay, that ain't the point.

What is, is the way they handled the whole thing. I mean that they might have known about this way before they announced it. And they chose to announced it a day before it was supposed to air after all the weeks of waiting and the media attention and buzz, screeners going out to bloggers etc... That had all the fans excited.

And all for two shows that they were concerned about going against American Idol. Mind you both Nikita and TVD did well as I heard. (3,46 million and 2,65 million were the finals for both premiers)

I can understand them wanting to support newer shows, but this way? Is not a good way to do it. Had they announced it beforehand no harm would have been done. But now all the promotion and the money spent on it is wasted and basically for nothing. And them not saying anything about reasons or giving explanation just makes them look like morons.

And as Donna pointed out this might hurt us more then just the media buzz dying down.

Just look at the casual viewers or fans not part of the online fandom. If someone isn't on the internet and visiting websites they wouldn't have even known of the change since apparently DVR's and cables were not updated until the last minute.

And what is this causing? Distrust. People are more likely not tune into the channel live again, just DVR-ing or just find another show to watch in that timeslot period and watch SN later streamed on the CW website, if they do go online. And after this who can trust their promos and advertising when they decide to change airing in the last minute? And this also gives Fringe a solid ratings ground in the timeslot since people from now on will be more likely to watch that live instead and it had no competition for 2 weeks now.

Now I tried Fringe in S1 and it's just not my thing. I would rather rewatch X Files. Yes, I am in the minority I know. :-/

Basically the CW did this stunt for nothing and ended up hurting their two leading shows and their fandoms by that. I can fully understand if fans of SPN/SV feel disrespected, angry and hurt by this and my sympathy goes to both shows.

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I too am seriously pissed over this. And you couldn't even get a straight answer from the CW on why they did. Preemptions, AI, legal issues, etc. I call bull to their crap about the shows being preempted in Chicago and Baltimore. I live outside Phildalephia which is a much larger market than Baltimore. The Philly CW has been preempted tons of times for Flyers hockey games and not once did the CW ever push back shows to make room for shows that were preempted due to a hockey game.
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Irishgirl,Jan 29 2011
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I too am seriously pissed over this. And you couldn't even get a straight answer from the CW on why they did.  Preemptions, AI, legal issues, etc.  I call bull to their crap about the shows being preempted in Chicago and Baltimore. I live outside Phildalephia which is a much larger market than Baltimore.  The Philly CW has been preempted tons of times for Flyers hockey games and not once did the CW ever push back shows to make room for shows that were preempted due to a hockey game.

As Fandrea said I could live with the postponement had The CW announced it at least a week before - all we might have lost was "our TV Guide" top pick, that I understand thank goodness Matt M is in our corner and ensures us "we" will get the Top pick spot again. (Still infuriates me that in most places in the country tv stations still had Supernatural as "on" at whatever time SPN airs in each time zone - so the casual viewers who expected to see SPN - maybe for the first time- got a steaming dose of Nikita instead). It's the loss of TV Critics and well known SPN Bloggers who received advanced screenings of the winter premiere and were all raving about how good LAV is that is really crushing because we're hard pressed to carry those good vibes forward.

There are two more things that really bother me and one is exactly what you pointed out - the CW has never given a crap about SPN and preemptions, heck the S4 premiere was preempted in Chicago (#3 market) and the CW didn't resched the premiere or have an encore of the S4 premiere. SPN was up against CSI, GA, TO back when the shows were pulling in a combined 30-40 M Nielson viewers in the Thursday night "Timeslot of Doom" and our show was expected to hold its own against these TV ratings giants. I realize that now Nikita shares our pain but SPN never got a second chance.

The other thing that really bothers me is that some fans were saying that we all should watch Fringe "in protest" to show The CW that "we were pissed at them". That's terrible advice! It's one matter to say "Watch Fringe Instead!" if you are a fan of both shows and would watch one and record the other one anyway, but if you rarely or never watch Fringe, and DVR it - this counts in Fringe's ratings and will only hurt SPN's ratings when we do get our premiere.

I read in the more recent Zap2it article that fans shouldn't worry overly much and Supernatural should get renewed (and I think it should) but that's now an overly optimistic attitude because Fringe performed shockingly well in it's first Friday (1/21/11) - enough so on TVBTN it went from "more likely to be canceled than renewed" (based on its Fall performance) to "likely to to be renewed" in just one week. And now Fringe has had two unopposed weeks to convert viewers of both shows into firm viewers of Fringe and casual-DVR-the-show and I'll watch whenever- viewers of SPN. Fringe likely did very well last night (I'm afraid to check) - maybe even better than it's winter premiere given the negative publicity of SPN's premiere being pushed back and "SPN Fans" urging "everyone" to watch Fringe instead. SPN's renewal is on much shakier ground, IMO.

I feel like The CW may have royally screwed SPN with this stunt. A renewal announcement soon would be very nice, preferably before our winter premiere so it sends a signal that the CW is confident of SPN's performance against Fringe, the reverse of the "lack of confidence" the CW showed for TVD.




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I believe Fringe had about 4 Million viewers. :( Don't know if that's really good or just average for them.
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This is a cool idea. Reposted from Supernatural.tv with permission of the original poster.

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"Hey guys, I was wondering what you think about showing The CW that we're a fan base with substance and can actually do some real things to affect ratings. I don't mean dump on Vampire Diaries or Nikita, since those shows weren't responsible for The CW's stupid decision to postpone our premier, but something the network will understand - and that's Wednesday night ratings.

VD and NK had really weak Wed night ratings for reruns, which is what sparked this whole debacle. Do you think we can get the word out to all the SMV and SPN fandom to tune in and watch our reruns on Wednesday night? If we can mount a campaign to get the word out for everyone to WATCH THE DOUBLE "S" ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, it will definitely create some buzz for Friday (buzz that was lost this past week when The CW stupidly moved our premier) and help our ratings against Fringe. While I'm not into helping The CW, I am into helping SPN get another season or two!

We would have to act fast, get Bardicvoice, Alice, LJ sites, facebooks, twitter, maybe Jim, Misha, Cliff contacted and making twitter announcements asking fans to tune in on Wed, all SMV and SPN sties contacted and on board, making announcements to tune in. All SPN people will be encouraged to tune in for SMV, and all SMV fans will be urged to stay and watch SPN. Both fanbases will be urged to DVR or TiVo AI this Wednesday. Then on Thursday everyone would email The CW and say that, while VD may be the #1 show on The CW right now, our fan bases are not insubstantial. We got them the cover of TV Guide, and we would like to be treated with the same respect VD fans get. The email should be polite and not screeching or threatening."
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Spoilerwolf,Jan 29 2011
08:22 PM
I believe Fringe had about 4 Million viewers. :( Don't know if that's really good or just average for them.

Fringe had 4.57 M viewers with very good A18-49 1.9/6 demo - per the Fast Nationals, the Finals won't be avail for a few days. Last week Fringe had 4.87 M viewers, same 1.9/6 demo (so Fringe lost 300,000 viewers but held the more important demo) but I think ABC aired originals. This Friday CBS, ABC and The CW :banghead all aired reruns though so Fringe's viewers and demo may drop some more but the show is doing much better (lmaybe unfortunately for SPN) than anyone thought it would do on Fridays.

Kevin Reilly (Fox Exec) said the show would likely be renewed if it held 80% of it's avf Fall demo of 1.88 (approx 1.5) and 80% of the show's average Fall viewers (a little over 5 M so 4M) so far it's well on it's way to do that. There's chatter on PIFeedback about whether even 1.9 will be good enough for renewal because Fringe is a very expensive show to produce and Fox doesn't "own it"Warner Bros do.

I don't really care if Fox renews Fringe or not but what I care about is The CW renewing SPN; Fringe was expected to do more poorly on Fridays than it has so far, but as I said this week 3/5 of their competitor networks aired reruns. What really bugs me is the number of so called Supernatural Fans who urged other fans to watch Fringe live to stick it to the CW. :banghead As I said, I'm already worried that "Neilson" fans of both shows who were on the fence about which show to watch and which to record to watch whenever may now be heavily leaning toward watching Fringe live.

One tiny, personal ray of sunshine is that 6.12 LAV will air on my BDAY so instead of getting a possibly mopey, remorse filled Sammy at the possibly skeevy (exciting and maybe appalling things RoboSam did), I'll get "LAV" :angel: Sammy, all shiny and new :wub: and just have worry that I might end up feeling (temporarily) like kicking Bobby's hineyrumpus. :D
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Irishgirl,Jan 29 2011
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This is a cool idea.  Reposted from Supernatural.tv with permission of the original poster.

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"Hey guys, I was wondering what you think about showing The CW that we're a fan base with substance and can actually do some real things to affect ratings. I don't mean dump on Vampire Diaries or Nikita, since those shows weren't responsible for The CW's stupid decision to postpone our premier, but something the network will understand - and that's Wednesday night ratings.

VD and NK had really weak Wed night ratings for reruns, which is what sparked this whole debacle. Do you think we can get the word out to all the SMV and SPN fandom to tune in and watch our reruns on Wednesday night? If we can mount a campaign to get the word out for everyone to WATCH THE DOUBLE "S" ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT, it will definitely create some buzz for Friday (buzz that was lost this past week when The CW stupidly moved our premier) and help our ratings against Fringe. While I'm not into helping The CW, I am into helping SPN get another season or two!

We would have to act fast, get Bardicvoice, Alice, LJ sites, facebooks, twitter, maybe Jim, Misha, Cliff contacted and making twitter announcements asking fans to tune in on Wed, all SMV and SPN sties contacted and on board, making announcements to tune in. All SPN people will be encouraged to tune in for SMV, and all SMV fans will be urged to stay and watch SPN. Both fanbases will be urged to DVR or TiVo AI this Wednesday. Then on Thursday everyone would email The CW and say that, while VD may be the #1 show on The CW right now, our fan bases are not insubstantial. We got them the cover of TV Guide, and we would like to be treated with the same respect VD fans get. The email should be polite and not screeching or threatening."

I would be glad to do that, Terry. I always DVR all episodes of SPN anyway and play them back, because various people have told me "it counts". I will do the same for SV. My Comcast (online) is still saying Nikita/TVD reruns will air though but my TV finally changed (too late) from next Friday's ep being "Unforgven" To "LAV". Hopefully Comcast online and Comcast TV will change soon so TVD and Nikita don't get credit again.

SV is again AI this Wednesday; last Wedneday Nikita repeat got 1.45M viewers, 0.4/1 A18-49 and TVD got <900,000 viewers, 0.4/1 but AI was 2 hours this past Wednesday, 1/26. So 1.45M, 0.4/1 is the numbers for SV to beat. (On a related note Nikita is performing pretty well in repeats).

That's all I can do - I don't use Twitter at all or FB much.
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Scifidiva,Jan 30 2011
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One tiny, personal ray of sunshine is that 6.12 LAV will air on my BDAY so instead of getting a possibly mopey, remorse filled Sammy at the possibly skeevy (exciting and maybe appalling things RoboSam did), I'll get "LAV" :angel: Sammy, all shiny and new :wub: and just have worry that I might end up feeling (temporarily) like kicking Bobby's hineyrumpus. :D

Yours is two days before mine.
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tammitam,Jan 30 2011
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Scifidiva,Jan 30 2011
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One tiny, personal ray of sunshine is that 6.12 LAV will air on my BDAY so instead of getting a possibly mopey, remorse filled Sammy at the possibly skeevy (exciting and maybe appalling things RoboSam did), I'll get "LAV"  :angel: Sammy, all shiny and new  :wub: and just have worry that I might end up feeling (temporarily) like kicking Bobby's hineyrumpus. :D

Yours is two days before mine.

I remember, hon :hug: .
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As for watching SN live this wednesday, sorry, but I can't. I can't watch a repeat of something when another show I watch on wednesdays is current. I just ... don't have enough heart in this show anymore to care that much. Maybe that's wrong of me but I don't. Do I want it to turn around into the show I once loved? Absolutely, but until it does, it's like watching a train wreck. I can't turn away from the gore even if I want to.
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