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| Gannet1977 | Oct 2 2005, 09:28 PM Post #1 |
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I have torn my left bicep (inside partial tear) my hamstring (which contributed to the bicep tear as I was tyre flipping for an upcoming contest with the hamstring tear) and both my adductors. The adductor tears happened two years after the bicep tear. I just wanted some feedback as to whether other members think that some people are genetically prone to muscle tears, or whether it is just bad luck. It seems that some strongmen eg. Mark Phillipi, Bill Pittuck and Magnus Samuellson seem to have been plagued by muscle tears, whereas the likes of Marius and Jouko Ahola seem to have been able to compete regularly at the highest level without serious injury. I seem to get strong and then immediately suffer a serious setback (note I do warm up thoroughly), which is obviously pretty discouraging, especially when you have to rely on the NHS for treatment. I would also be interested to hear about the muscle tears and rehabilitation undergone by other members. Thanks |
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| MaxPower | Oct 2 2005, 09:54 PM Post #2 |
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Follower of Branigann's Law
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It could be as simple as you're not properly hydrehted. |
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| Jamie | Oct 3 2005, 12:14 AM Post #3 |
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One thing that causes major muscle tears in some strength athletes is steroid use; the muscles build up before the tendons/ligaments are used to the workload, then they snap. Then the athlete freaks out because they don't want to lose ground, keep taking steroids throughout the healing process, and leave themselves open for more muscle tears to come. I should note that I'm not saying you use steroids. I'm merely saying that's why some athletes do get plagued by them. |
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| Caber McJock | Oct 3 2005, 03:18 PM Post #4 |
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I agree
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I'm pretty prone to tears, I think as I get older the muscle tissue just doesn't seem to be able to take the abuse the way it used to, like even 4 years ago. If I put on a lot of weight, even if a hefty percentage is fat, I get quite a bit stronger but seem to be even more fragile. Incidentally I used to use, but have been clean for 7 years. I don't see how that could be causing me problems now re: tears, but I don't rule it out either. |
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| Frozenkilt | Oct 3 2005, 04:09 PM Post #5 |
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I think a lot of it is cumulative damage. Scar tissue in the muscles, microtears, lack of decent flexibility training or being properly warmed up. Some tears are just plain and simple trauma. The muscle was in the wrong place at the wrong time under the wrong load and something had to give. Things to do to help prevent this stuff (IMHO): 1. Stretch. Properly. 2. Warmup. Especially important as you get older or more injured. 3. Deep tissue massage. Start early. That stuff breaks up a lot of adhesions and shit you might not even know about. 4. Listen to your body. Harder for most of us to do than it should be. - Sean |
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| CTD 359 | Oct 4 2005, 11:31 PM Post #6 |
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That is what happened to me. I was telling a Chrome Head named Robbiearmscars on that day how I had real bad cramping in my left forearm. The flex back on the forearm and the angle the tire pushed back is what tore the tendon clean off. First thing the doc asked was if I was hydrated. First thing the wife asked was if I was hydrated. First thing I asked is why the hell did I overlook that! Stretching or lack of is something I could see doing damage and as Sean mentioned...steroid use too. The easy way for the docs to determine if theres excessive steroid use is by an ultrasound of the belly of the muscle. If the muscle is big but the ultrasound passed through it easily, its a very good indicator of this. If the muscle is dense and is difficult to use ultrasound on it, more often then not, the tendon lets go. I tore an achilles by landing on my heel from about 34" off the ground with all my weight...that will do it to most people. I have a partial tear in the patella tendon from an impact that drove the patella up and out. I get that fixed on Oct 18/05 or sooner if they can get me in. Having 300 pounds come down on your patella from about 32" onto a door sill will do that. LOL Never test a product where the vendor tells you a 450 pound man can bounce on their truck steps all day long. The bracket snapped and down I went. SMASH Scotty |
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| Caber McJock | Oct 5 2005, 01:06 PM Post #7 |
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I agree
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That sounds like a potential lawsuit there Scotty. |
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| CTD 359 | Oct 12 2005, 03:20 PM Post #8 |
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Kind of hard to do that as I was testing and evaluating their product. If I had been the retail buyer it might have been a different story. I get the knee procedure this Friday. Then watch out for the FOSSIL! :P Scotty |
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| k2karakoram | Jan 17 2006, 06:54 AM Post #9 |
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OK well seems like I got my first hamstring pull/tear doing good mornings. Seems like as I get older whenever I seem to really start to make some good strength gains themn bam I am hit with some injury. Well anyway I know there are usually 3 different degrees of pulls. I am pretty sure I don't have the 3rd degree so the question I have how do I know I have a 2nd or 1st degree pull? There is no major pain but I definetly have to walk with a limp. I also have not noticed any kind of bruising yet. Also generally how long should I wait to start training again? I think next time I will just do good mornings on a bench inside a power rack to handle heavier weight that way it will take the hamstrings out of it (that or just maybe limit my range of motion). |
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| Articulate Thug | Jan 17 2006, 08:46 AM Post #10 |
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I wrote a presentation to a bunch of surgeons after we had a patient come in with a complete triceps tear. He was a pencil-neck and it had nothing to do with weights. They all cried steroids. Achilles tendons are popping every second across the planet in fat chicks and middle aged people predominantly. No one thinks steroids at all. I did a literature search on androgens and tendon ruptures. You know what i found? NO EVIDENCE that's worth anything more than an opinion. Plenty of evidence for CORTICOsteroids (such as prednisone) and achilles tendon rupture. We all know strength athletes that tear things - my training partner did his pec (was clean), i tore my calf, and have just ripped something in my side under the ribs while side-bending with a weight over my head when i was piss-crook and not well warmed up. The confounding factors with androgens/anabolic steroids are that everyone denies their use and that those that take them do stupid shit like lifting many times their own weight. Sometimes ballistically. It makes teasing out whether it's the gear or the activities we do impossible. Sprinters tear hamstrings all the time - i've seen complete avulsions in sprinting rugby players and if he was on it he only dabbled or was doing it all wrong. The common dogma amongst sports surgeons is that flexibiltity and a good warm up are your best protection. Flexibility needs to be taken seriously and worked on regularly. Never really heard of the hydration thing, but it sounds plausible. We are 60% water. My personal feeling is that they do make you more prone to tearing something but that we'll never prove it. It's probably via the old idea that tendons take a lot longer to accomodate and respond to the higher loads than does muscle, so you get a disparity in their ability to handle load. Hence you tear a tendon. Put on top of that the fact that some are blessed with tendons of steel and others not so and my personal theory that one mechanism for the action of androgens is to diminish the protective inhibitory reflexes inherent in the neuromuscular unit and it becomes impossible to guess who's gonna pop where. The shit we do is the perfect way to rupture something. Regularly stretch and get a sweat on before you start. Sorry for the overly wordy post. I have an interest in this. Bullet points from now on. :soapbox |
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| Caber McJock | Jan 17 2006, 02:57 PM Post #11 |
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I agree
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No worries- that's a great post. If you have more, keep it coming- as a chronically injured guy, I am always interested. |
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| Frozenkilt | Jan 17 2006, 05:56 PM Post #12 |
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This is probably the best advice for any serious strength athlete or trainer. Since I've adapted into a literally 15 minute warmup routine, I've found my body is generally much happier with me. I think this becomes even more important as we spend more time under the bar, as it were. - Sean |
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| Articulate Thug | Jan 17 2006, 07:49 PM Post #13 |
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Yeah, basically everything i've ever read or been taught pretty much agrees with Frozenkilts advice. Wisdom with age eh? Never looked in to deep massage though - probably more of a physios field. Cheers fellas. Now about getting some more time 'under the bar'...
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| k2karakoram | Jan 18 2006, 01:29 AM Post #14 |
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and just one other question. If I experience an electric shock kind of feeling when I pulled/teared my hamstring what does that say exactly? Is that common for most hamstring pulls/tears? |
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| Articulate Thug | Jan 18 2006, 06:03 AM Post #15 |
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Sounds like you may have tweaked a nerve when it happened. As long as it hasn't persisted.
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| k2karakoram | Feb 10 2006, 04:39 AM Post #16 |
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just an update. after 3 weeks of following a rehab program from a physical therapist My hamstring seems almost fully recovered even though he said it take about 6 weeks to get back to normal. My physical therapist also told me never do good mornings again as well as straight leg deadlifts, deadlifts and any kind of deep squats. I kind of expected that kind of response. |
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| kevinpd | Mar 11 2006, 03:04 AM Post #17 |
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Just wanted to add my 2 cents and give a quick background. I am finishing up my independent study/thesis at Florida Gulf Coast University. My topic is Older adults, nutrition, high intensity strength training, and supplements (fucking paper ended up being 122 pgs, could have kept going, got sick of reading studies). Anyways, Max was correct is stating hydration, if you are dehydrated you will not perform at your best. It only takes a decrease of 2% and you can see a significant decrease in performance (think about it). We are made up of mostly water, you drop that, you have problems on the way and quickly. Jamie was correct in stating roids, they do cause an overload in the muscle tissue and the connective tissue is not able to keep up (possible due to the lack of blood supply, not my area so I don’t really know), but makes sense. Caber is correct as well, (don’t know his age) however as we age, there are physiological changes that do occur (sarcopenia). This generally happens later in life. We can not stop this, exercise has been shown to slow the process down, but it will not stop. As we get older, roughly early- mid 30s, physiological changes begin. Not sarcopenia, but other aging processes. Frozen is right as well and this relates to the issue of aging. As we age, we need to warm up, think about it, when we were younger, go in, hit the gym no problems. Now try that, that shit hurts a bit. “listen to your body, harder for most of us to do” I agree and don’t be stupid. If you are you will pay for it later, shoulder, knee, back etc. Articulate said we are 60% water, it’s a little more than that, but that’s close. And we do need to stretch. If you do not stretch, those soft tissues over time will be come shortened and there will be nothing you can do about it. Not only is shortened musculature bothersome, it is damaging. Many of the knee replacements we see are due to faulty arthrokinematics due to shortened hamstrings. Not trying to be a know it all (if that is the right word), just want to help out. You guys have a lot of good info and I would like to contribute what little info that I have to assist others in not making the same mistakes that the older people have. Kevin |
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Cheers fellas. Now about getting some more time 'under the bar'...

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