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WSM Finals; events and athletes
Topic Started: Sep 17 2006, 06:02 PM (3,570 Views)
Qiman

"In the heats they did a random draw to decide order of each event - they may be doing that in the final?"

Yes, good point, in the prelims that was the case, but I doubt that is the case here, kinda doubt Pudz just happened to win the draw to go last. They tend to give the overall leader some kind of reward. Just popped in a tape of the Malaysia WSM, Karlsen had just won the squat handily. And yet he didn't go last in the next event, the Truck Pull, he went according to his overall position at that time as did all the competitors. And Pudz was the current overall leader, and indeed went last, trying to beat overall 2nd place Zydrunas' time, which he just missed. So even when Pudz won his first title, at that time in WSM the leader went last, probably the same this year.
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MaxPower
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They have been using that format for a number of years now.
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Qiman
Sep 22 2006, 06:43 PM
I think Phil wants it intensely enough, and he certainly has momentum! But any who have competed in various sports know that sometimes desire puts you over the top, and sometimes it isn't quite enough. Pudz also has a way of consistently coming through when his back is to the wall.

Regarding Pudz being a better yoker: In the prelims Pudz was one of the few who finished the very difficult Car Walk, uphill on slippery grass. And though he dropped the vehicle once according to Marunde, he still had a great time, twenty something seconds, maybe 25, something in that neighborhood. Pfister came in dead last in his group in the Car Walk, getting beat by 231 lb Darren Sadler. So key here is how much did he learn from that yoke walk? Also, I would imagine Pudz gets to go last as the present leader, and will know what times he has to beat.

Over on Marunde's site, someone mentioned Hollands had a great Car Walk time, and if he finishes first that will open things up. With the current point spread, it may not be the case. To me, the most important thing in this event is the point spread between Pudz and Pfister, regardless of whether Hollands or someone else captures first place. Like I said earlier in this thread, the Car Walk could be the ultimate separator between these two for the title. If Pudz does very well as expected and beats Pfister, how many men are between him and Pfister? This is what gave Pfister such a boost in the Fingals when 5 points were made up in one event due to Pudz getting 6th.

In the last event, who else besides Pudz, Pfister, and Felix has had great stone times this year, does anyone know? I would imagine Pope is pretty good, Wenta was 2nd behind Pudz in Atlas in the Polish championship, but may have only gotten 4 stones, not sure. Toczek and Dymek are not so good at Atlas. Who else could play an important role in this event?

pope could be a factor in the stones. He is very good at them. Really I think it just comes down to how well Pfister does on the car walk. If he can somehow beat Pudz on that event then his chances are very good for the win. If he cannot beat Pudz on the car walk or at least place right behind him then he has little chance to win barring an unusual mishap by Pudz.
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Qiman

I had a hunch to review the table over at http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/de/wsm/wsm_2006.html

If you look at the schedule for the finals at the bottom, it appears possible that in the finals there will be 2 competitors at a time for Car Walk, unlike in the prelims? The number in front of the venue location possibly is the number of competitors at once, like in the prelim tables above. IF that is the case, the table is a bit unclear, then it would be Pfister and Pudz head to head as the last pair in the Car Walk! Anyone know for sure?
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I may be wrong but I believe that in the overhead stone press Phil beat the old stone press world record of 137.5kg (held by Schoonie and MVM) with the final 140kg stone. Does anyone know if this is correct?
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I think you're right, Paul.

Phil is really proving to be a challenger this year. Good stuff. I am very surprised to see Mariusz that far down the field in the fingers. I assumed third place minimum.
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Peter
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For what it's worth, Adam Darasz also did 140 kg. on a rectangular shaped stone a year or two ago.
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From the old ifsa site, before the split.
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A ROUND MILLSTONE , 15 cm thick and 65 cm diameter ,with a weight of 140 KG is done by
ADAM DARASZ from Hungary in 2004.
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Peter
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The translation from Pudzianowski's site is "It happened as I expected, the events were not my best and my lead shrunk from 7 to 1.5 pt. Pfister is very strong and he'll challenge me for first. I must do well tomorrow and I'll battle for the win."
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Bus Pull

1. Pfister
2. Pudzianowski
3. Hollands
4. Felix
5. Pope
6. Dymek
7. Mitt
8. Toczek
9. Vidzis
10. Wenta
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Qiman

Thats a very good translation Peter, better than I could do. I've not studied enough Polish in many years. The one thing I will add is the word he uses at the end means totally broke, insolvent, bankrupt, used up or completely spent. " I will battle until I am completely spent!" Pretty high drama.
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neil campbell

very close for 1st-good for Phil,I always thought he was the best American-but Mariusz will still win by 6 or 7 points.His fourth title will be sweet.Super impressive showing by Phil Pfister.He is very entertaining to watch,a great speaker.Mariusz will win last 2 events.The yoke will be super fast-there is no athlete more determined then he.This is a guy who dropped the frame carry on his heel at the arnold 2 years agopicked it up and kept walking.
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Well, if Mariusz is the champion many feel him to be, this will be his best test yet.
I can't see how he will win by 6+ points though, even if he wins the last 2 events. Tough to see Ph-Pf-Fister collapsing totally at this point.
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MaxPower
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Pfister won the car walk, now a 1/2 point behund marius.
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neil campbell

pfister wins yoke.half point down.
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So Phister keeps his promise and ends a what? 23yr drought?

Good on Phil. Whatever he's been doing lately, it took him up a notch and got him the title.

Huge congrats to the 2006 World's Strongest Man winner!

- Sean
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Shit, I had said all along that Pfister could very much give Mariusz a run for his money.

A few things have happened though.

Pfister learnt to pull and press and get strong all over by training with Siders.

Mariusz is declining, he lacks the competition from the IFSA athletes and he's doing too much promotion, which is why he's not as sharp and lean as he normally is.

I'm happy for Pfister though, he kept his promise.
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Qiman

Congratulations to Phil Pfister, easily one of the most valiant performances in all of Strongman history! You won't hear any excuses from this or most Pudzianowski fans, Pfister was incredibly consistent winning event after event, and fulfilled his promise.

Obviously Phil learned a great deal from his initial Car Walk failure, and beat Pudzian by some fraction of a second, though not sure why Phil went last here, the format seemed inconsistent. Few could've envisioned Phil winning the Car Walk, but Champions keep finding a way to improve their weaknesses.

In the Stones, which were in a pouring rain, Mariusz was in the lead the whole way, until the last stone, where with the slippery final ball he momentarily had a slip, which was enough for Pfister to just slip by him to the finish, a 1/2 point victory. With his stones ability Pope had things fairly well locked up for 3rd before the event. I have heard that Wenta achieved a 5th place finish, if that is correct thats very good for his first ever WSM! The middle of the pack was extremely tight.

In an interview a few hours afterwards, Pudzian was very gracious in defeat. And he clearly stated that he will not leave the sport until he wins 5 WSM titles, he is only 29 and has many years ahead of him, he will battle until he falls on his knees.
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ou won't hear any excuses from this or most Pudzianowski fans

You're kidding right?

All you're going to hear until WSM 2007 is excuses, from both Pudz and his nutswinging fans.
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strongwoman

Yes Jesse and I got it right when we posted that Phil would be the top American :woohoo (I did not quite think he would win though). Well done to him and all the other's. Looking forward to watching it on TV.

Hanne
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Qiman

"You're kidding right?

All you're going to hear until WSM 2007 is excuses, from both Pudz and his nutswinging fans."

You didn't hear any excuses from me. There are plenty of fans of Pudz who appreciate his accomplishments and abilities without becoming obnoxious. Any sports hero eventually accumulates a percentage of obnoxious fans, that is simply the way it goes when some people attach their egos to another's accomplishments instead of living their own life to the fullest.

I don't have time to translate the long Pudzian interview which is up on his site, perhaps Peter can do this at some point, and he would do a better job anyways. But I didn't see any excuses there, he had a great attitude and admitted he underestimated the challenge of Pfister, and is determined to come back and do whatever it takes to win 5 WSM titles. He has always shown the ability to learn from his experiences, and can admit where he needs improvement, unlike some people.
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Big congrats to Phil, and to Don Pope as well. Hell of a job. I never thought that Phil would be able to deliver on his promise -- it's good to be wrong.

I'm sure Mariusz will be back with a vengeance next year -- but so will Hugo. Should be interesting.

Hopefully a few changes will be made to allow more athletes to compete together this coming year.
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neil campbell

Very interesting WSM final.Yes,next year will be better.I'm sure if you asked many of Pudz fellow competitors,they have a ton of respect for him-from what I've read and heard-he tries to help out other competitors(Jesse M. said this last year on his website).He will be back-1 slip cost him his 4th title,but it lookks like Pfister just took it from him-5 wins in a row-INCREDIBLE.Hugo will be back next year-things will get even more interesting.
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well done to phil. i for 1 didnt see him winning WSM. the man has really improved over the last year. this is good for the sport. strongman keeps moving on.
cant wait 2 see it. welldone 2 terry and mark on there 1st WSM finals. a great achevement in its self just getting to the final. :respect
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