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ANDY OX
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Tom i've been doing them on a thick bar ,only pulled 280kg on it but my grip felt good,go back to a regular oly bar and it feel soooooooo much easier.
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ANDY OX
Nov 28 2006, 02:31 PM
Tom i've been doing them on a thick bar ,only pulled 280kg on it but my grip felt good,go back to a regular oly bar and it feel soooooooo much easier.

Andy i am so used to thick bar that i can no longer lift as much on Oly bar as i can on thick bar (i guess this is the extreme though mate). I actually don't like anything with handles/diameter less than 2''.
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Tom Jones
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Andy it's not the grip it's the position of the arm, When I try to pull anything heavy it feels like my bicep is tearing
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Caber McJock
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I did not realize this was a Masters competition.
What bunch of old farts.
Does a colostomy bag count as support gear?

J/K all. You're all stronger, and mostly younger than me. This should be an entertaining comp.
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ANDY OX
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Sorry Tom ,did'nt read your post properly,back to that age thing again :P


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Wishful thinking Andy! I'm a mere 42 Andy, won't hit the big four - three for a few more weeks.


I stand corrected Steve,mind you thats a sign of age,quibbling over 2 weeks til their next birthday ;)




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I did not realize this was a Masters competition.
What bunch of old farts.
Does a colostomy bag count as support gear?


Yeah we are allowed a zimmer frame to hold onto during the squat.

I want the deadlift to be replaced with the Stanner stair lift. :P
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Tom Jones
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Steve is getting old if he's got a stair lift named after him, Makes me feel positivly juvenile
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jukebox
Nov 27 2006, 11:53 PM
Cheers Viking Power.Wasn't sure if there was reserves or not.


Llamapower
Oct 8 2006, 11:18 AM
Competitors:

Scotland:
Frank Connolly (Not got through to him on phone so not 100%)
Alan Sneddon
Michael Daly
Mark Morley

Wales:
Martin Jones
Anthony Griffiths

England:
Colin Lewis
Andy Lidbury
Tom Jones
Steve Stanislaus
Mick Morrit
Stuart Hayes
Nick McKinless
Jon Hobson
Will Newland
Mike Betty

Reserves / Testers:
Jack Ondo
Shawn Kenny



Hi Ian( Jukebox),

I had already contacted Colin Anderson with your name as a possible reserve and also told you lads at Markinch that the list of competitors and reserves was in place. That's Kirkcaldy selective hearing for you. LOL :P :blink:

See you on Sunday.


Yours in strength

"BIG AL"
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Gem Lewis

Hi all, Im Gemma and Im the promoter for the P.S.M.A and therefor the u105 b.s.m.
Here are the rules for the fourthcoming competition, they are pretty much self explanatory for the Conans, Log, Farmers hold, Stones!
But the rules you should all take special notice of are those of the Silverdollor deadlift and the Squat as these rules will be vigorously enforced.

Silverdollor deadlift - Straps are NOT premitted for this event! The athlete must also be fully locked out to achieve a succesful lift, the Refs word is final.

Squat - All athletes must squat to a minimum depth of parallel.

Lifting aids/equipment PERMITTED - Tacky(stones only)
Belt
Neoprenes
Knee/wrist wraps
Chalk

Lifting aids/equipment NOT PERMITTED - Lifting straps
Power suits

All athletes to arrive at venue for 10am weigh in please

Competitors entry 'only' - FREE
Adults £3/ children - FREE

Look foward to seeing you all.

Gemma. P.S.M.A
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Tom Jones
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Thanks for clearing that up Gem and welcome to the board

Gemma on the log for reps can you take your hands off the log between reps? and can elbow sleeves be worn on the log?
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Gem Lewis

Yes Tom elbow slips/ neoprenes are fine and you are allowed to take your hands off between reps.
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Tom Jones
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Thankyou Gem see you and colin on the day. I'll be bringing the deadlift boxes with me on the Sunday
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cougarman

No straps on the 18" dead lift is not a standard rule for that event, it makes it more grip than back and there is a dead lift hold event in the comp very strange i wonder why it was mentioned so late.
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I agree with Mike on this one! - there is already a grip event in the competition and 18" deadlift is a measure of back strength not grip strength!

The use of straps will show who has the strongest back not the strongest hands!

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Gem Lewis

I understand and respect what your saying Welshdragon but the events are set and so are the rules.

The Refs for the competition are Dave Brooks and Chaz Bruce and they have set the rules, both are former national and international powerlifters aswell as competitive strongmen under Mr Capes so they have the experience and knowledge and there judgment and decisions should be respected.
This is a national level competition so the standard is very high, anyone competing should be prepared in all aspects of strength, grip included.
These guys also reffed the UKSC Southern qualifier at gunwharf quays Portsmouth where one of the events was deadlift reps, they did not allow straps there either. Apolagies to those with a weaker grip but this is strongman after all!!
The rules stand so please respect them.

Gemma.
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cougarman

Don't get me wrong the rules are set but if you are going to do something that will effect the way people train for this event by introduceing a non standard ruleing then telling them two weeks out is wrong when i suspect some people new about the no straps rule a long time ago it is unfair.
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cougarman

I like the way that you can use elbow supports that will help a week press get an extra rep but starps are not allowed that will help a week grip.

WHO DO WE KNOW THAT HAS A WEEK PRESS AND A STRONG GRIP.
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I actually started a thread here a while back saying that i don't agree with straps being used for 18'' deadlifts (and a lot of people disagreed with me). I am glad that these are the rules because the silver dollar dead will now be more of a test of full body strength not just the back. :respect :respect

If anyone has a lagging grip 2 weeks is still enough time to bring it up. Grip improvements can happen very quickly indeed.
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cougarman

you have missed my point sam if you are going to say no strap's then tell people from the start not less than two weeks out. And you think if you are pulling 300kg with straps and 260kg with out 10 days will be enough to bring your grip up by 40kg.


The standard for 18" deadlift is straps allowed and that 10 days notice is not enough to change your build up to a MAJOR comp, that is all i'm saying.
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Caber McJock
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I agree with Mike and Dale, however many comps are unique in terms of rules, equipment and venue (turf, grass, concrete etc).
There are also usually issues with equipment, venues etc the day of the comp.
You have to show up as strong as you can get and adapt to the conditions.

Still, why have 2 grip events. If you are testing grip with the DL why not make it full range instead of silver dollar? The limiting factor will always be grip...
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cougarman
Nov 29 2006, 03:54 PM
you have missed my point sam if you are going to say no strap's then tell people from the start not less than two weeks out. And you think if you are pulling 300kg with straps and 260kg with out 10 days will be enough to bring your grip up by 40kg.


The standard for 18" deadlift is straps allowed and that 10 days notice is not enough to change your build up to a MAJOR comp, that is all i'm saying.

I understand totally your point, Mike. I agree that maybe the no straps rule should have been made clear earlier.

I gained 40kg on my grip on rack lockouts in just under 2 weeks while training them throughout the summer. First try of them i did 360kg, second time i managed just over 400kg + held it for 5 seconds.

If you are using a mixed grip and chalk, grip on 18'' deads shouldn't be a limiting factor. I do realise using a mixed grip may be more awkward than DOH and straps (if you have bicep tendon issues or something along those lines) but this is the only problem i see here. Maybe some competitors may want use hook grip? This could be very useful if you have experience hooking and your thumbs are conditioned for the pain.

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I gained 40kg on my grip on rack lockouts in just under 2 weeks while training them throughout the summer. First try of them i did 360kg, second time i managed just over 400kg + held it for 5 seconds.

Thats all fine and good if you're blessed with good grip genetics out of the box. Unfortunatly not all are.
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If you are using a mixed grip and chalk, grip on 18'' deads shouldn't be a limiting factor.


That's cause you're a grip fag. A torn bicep or two will cure you of that notion.
Besides, what would you rather see- a winning pull of 1100lbs, or 750? Another big factor is whether the SDDL comes before or after the DL hold.
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MaxPower
Nov 29 2006, 04:44 PM
Thats all fine and good if you're blessed with good grip genetics out of the box. Unfortunatly not all are.

I wouldn't say i am, i struggled with a #2 on my first go. I was only saying that grip is one of the easiest things to improve (this because the muscles involved are very small and alos repair very qucikly and can be trained often).
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Caber McJock
Nov 29 2006, 04:47 PM
That's cause you're a grip fag. A torn bicep or two will cure you of that notion.

This is why i mentioned the hook grip as a valid option, Jeff. Assuming you are used to it, there is no reason why you couldn't hook close to your max silver dollar deadlift. Videos of Brad Gillingham hook gripping 900+ echo this point. There is even a vid going somewhere of Becca Swnason hook gripping a 300kg full deadlift.
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Gem Lewis

ORDER OF EVENTS

1. SQUAT
2. LOG
3. DEADLIFT
4. CONANS
5. FARMERS HOLD
6. ATLAS STONES
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