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Caber McJock
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Nov 29 2006, 09:52 AM
Caber McJock
Nov 29 2006, 04:47 PM
That's cause you're a grip fag. A torn bicep or two will cure you of that notion.

This is why i mentioned the hook grip as a valid option, Jeff. Assuming you are used to it, there is no reason why you couldn't hook close to your max silver dollar deadlift. Videos of Brad Gillingham hook gripping 900+ echo this point. There is even a vid going somewhere of Becca Swnason hook gripping a 300kg full deadlift.

That's Brad Gillingham, and Becca Swanson though- not exactly 'everyman'.
Sure the hook is an option, but for some people it just won't make the difference.

The fact is straps are a traditional part of the SDDL. Another fact is that grip will be the limiting factor in this event.
It is not powerlifting, it's strongman. There is already a specific grip event. It's redundant.

I have no stake in this competition at all, being on another continent, but if I was coming to watch this show I'd want to see huge DL's. Period.
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Welshdragon
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Nov 29 2006, 11:13 AM
I understand and respect what your saying Welshdragon but the events are set and so are the rules.

The Refs for the competition are Dave Brooks and Chaz Bruce and they have set the rules, both are former national and international powerlifters aswell as competitive strongmen under Mr Capes so they have the experience and knowledge and there judgment and decisions should be respected.
This is a national level competition so the standard is very high, anyone competing should be prepared in all aspects of strength, grip included.
These guys also reffed the UKSC Southern qualifier at gunwharf quays Portsmouth where one of the events was deadlift reps, they did not allow straps there either. Apolagies to those with a weaker grip but this is strongman after all!!
The rules stand so please respect them.

Gemma.

Im not going to be disrespectfull towards you in any way Gem - but the fact is the 18" deadlift is to test back strength not grip strength! The uks southern qualifier was from the floor so rightly so straps were not used but the event is 18"!

Now the no straps ruling has only just been posted - 2 weeks notice is bullshit! - the standered on 18" is to allow use of straps!


I personally will say that not allowing the use of straps will allow certain athletes in the know a advantage over others!

And please dont go down the national level comp bullshit because at international competitions and national competions straps are allowed!

This bullshit has really got me pissed!
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Welshdragon
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And please sam dont get me started on you - you are one of very few people in the world of strongman that your grip is stronger than your back when it comes to 18"! - im future I hope your back comes upto par then you wont be on everyone else`s back about it!
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cougarman

I'm with Dale 100% in fact i will go further and say this is a fucking lame arsed atempt to swing the events in favour some of the local boys that would have had a knowleage of this information weeks or even months ago. I was also lead to beleave that Mr Anderson was to run the event list not the Pompay lads to stop exactly this from happening.

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Welshdragon
Nov 29 2006, 05:57 PM
And please sam dont get me started on you - you are one of very few people in the world of strongman that your grip is stronger than your back when it comes to 18"! - im future I hope your back comes upto par then you wont be on everyone else`s back about it!

Dale i am just stating my opinion. A lot of the boys at the gym i train also have better grips than back strength and don't need straps for even deads from above the knee. That being said i hope my weak back gets stronger too ;) !

:peace
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Ok - I'll try and throw some light on the situation, becase I think I'm partly to blame in all this.

Origionally I arranged with Gemma from PSMA to sort this comp out and make it happen. To avoid a conflict of interests as Colin was going to compete, I said I'd set the events and sort out the athletes. I planned to referee on the day as well, being as I'm pretty well experienced, and everyone knows me and knows I try to be 100% fair.

When we found out my mother had cancer, I think the PSMA were a bit dubious about whether I was going to make it down, and so they asked the guys who refereed the contests they organised in the summer to referee.

As it turns out this was probably a wise move, as Mum is really unwell, she is currently in hospital, and right now I can't plan what I'm going to be doing from one minute to the next. I can't be relied upon. If the PSMA had not arranged for the other guys to referee I would have moved heaven and earth to come down, but I have to be honest and say I'm glad I don't have to do that because right now my place is here.

If I was going to referee, I would have set the rules. But I spoke to the PSMA earlier this week, and I said that rather than me post up rules and the referees on the day tell people something different, have the guys refereeing set rules they are happy with. I thought the events pretty much referee themselves and had no idea this would be so contentious.

Now the referees have set the rules. Personally I'd have allowed straps, as straps on Silver Dollar Deadlift is pretty much accepted as the norm, and it reduces the risk of a bicep tear from an alternate grip on a super heavy lift (people generally lift FAR more on a SD than a regular DL, and so the potential for injury is higher.) I'm not the referee though, and the guys who are refereeing have set the rules they feel comfortable with.

Perhaps the referees will reconsider this decision, and bring the rules of this contest into line with the accepted standard for strongman contests? It is the referee's decision to make though, and whatever they do decide I think people should accept it with good grace, and compete showing the appropriate sportsmanship.




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I personally think that if the desission by the referee's has only been made in that last week, then there choice should stand.

and also if the choice of rules has only just been made then i dont see how this could effect the training of any person entering this comp.

Think this is going to be a good comp!!!!!!!! :lift
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Tom Jones
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Ok my view on this, At the end of the day, first and foremost, the rules in place on the day must and should be respected thats life thats how it is so knuckle down and get on with it.

I for one do not for one minute think this is about trying to favour anyone in any way. What I do believe is this.
I believe, what this as shown is the need for a universal rule book for this sport. Anyone competing should be able to tailor their training to a set of standardised rules on each event, These rules must be readily available and those acting as referee need to show proficiency in the application of these rules. Without this rule book conflict like this will arise again and again and possibly over shadow what should be a great competition.
Lets sort this out ready for next season so everyone knows where they stand with regards events, support gear and health and safety issues.
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cougarman

"I for one do not for one minute think this is about trying to favour anyone in any way."

Thats because you Tom are one of the good guys.

I don't have a problem with the no strap rule just the timing of it.
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ANDY OX
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Got to be honest,i'm just sooooo fucking pleased this comp is finally happening after qualifying for it close to a year and a half ago.
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Welshdragon
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DARKHORSE
Nov 29 2006, 09:49 PM

and also if the choice of rules has only just been made then i dont see how this could effect the training of any person entering this comp.


It would effect because the standered is to allow straps - so then most people would train with the use of straps!



Personally if I was competing I would pull out on principal - it just bullshit :bang
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Welshdragon
Nov 29 2006, 11:19 PM
Personally if I was competing I would pull out on principal - it just bullshit :bang

I wonder why that is Dale?? :lol

Mind you I think everyone has a point I've never known a SD deadlift without straps. I think the whole purpose of a SD is to get huge weights lifted and for grip not to be the limiting factor.

It's only a problem if people didn't know the rules from the same day. At the end of the day it's strongman and you do have to be strong from head to toe so anything that gets thrown at you, you should be able to do, if not then you need to improve .
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if all the lads agree on the day they want straps in the Silver dollar dead lift, then what would be the problem with changing the ref's decision.

don't think the general public will mind ????
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Welshdragon
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shawn
Nov 29 2006, 11:32 PM
if all the lads agree on the day they want straps in the Silver dollar dead lift, then what would be the problem with changing the ref's decision.

don't think the general public will mind ????

First off Terry fuck off :P

And Shawn hit the nail on the head why dont the athletes vote on this ruling on the day - this makes it fair all round!

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jukebox

Hello Big Al(perthpower).I wasn't sure if there were english reserves.I thought you said there may be a list of reserves.Must be my selective hearing :P .Noticed a couple of guys were thinking of pulling out so got my name down here sharpish as this seems like the official site for the contest.Will see you on sunday Big Man.As for straps in the silver dollar deadlift. It does limit the weight that some guys with a weaker grip can lift when straps are not allowed.Being a vertically challenged lad with smallish hands straps allow me to lift a hell of lot more weight on this lift.So when there is already a grip event in a comp i think straps should be allowed for any type of deadlift.However now that the decision has been made it should stick.Of course if i was competing i probably wouldn't feel that way. :peace
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STAN63

There has been no rule change. I rang PSMA over 3 weeks ago to to check on the events and the rules. I was told the same thing that they are saying now, that -'No straps are allowed'.
The rules can't be set by majority decision of the competitors, that is the job of the officials and the organisers running the comp.
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Welshdragon
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Actually the rules can be changed and decided by the competitors all it takes is a meeting 10minutes before the comp with all the competitors!

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Frozenkilt
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Since fucking when? I gotta say, if I was running a comp I'd be more than willing to give everyone the fucking finger if they were all bitching about something.

As I said before, unless it's a safety concern, athletes shouldn't have opinions. They should sack up and play.

- Sean
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fuck off, LOL. are we in school or something ??? :bang :bang

rather have 20 strongmen all happy than one or two unhappy officials.

As Tom as said there needs to be a basic set of rules for all the strongman events,
that way everyone one knows the score, and know what they need to do. :up

Athletes should have opinions as they are the ones taking part, esp if they are puting themsleves at risk too. :f


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Tom Jones
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It's easy to focus on the negative and I'm not for censorship of any kind so by all means continue to discuss the issues BUT lets not lose track of the good work being done by lots of people to put this comp on.
This comp never happened last year and it may not have happen again this year if it was not for the dedication to the sport of people giving their time free of charge, puting their hands into their own pockets to further the sport we all love.

So yes debate the issues but first and foremost keep in mind the work of people like Big Al in scotland, Colin The PSMA in pulling this all together and lets not let this over shadow what should be a fantastic hard battle for the title BSM u105
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cougarman

Steve has just said he new about this 3 weeks ago how long has mr Lewis know about it. Some people have an advantage over others thats all i'm saying. You can ear your training around different rule i personally did all mt 18" deadlift training useing straps.

On another note is there a charity involved in this years British U105kg comp or our the profits if there are any going to PMSA. Nothing wrong with that if they are i was just wondering.
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fuck off, LOL. are we in school or something ???


Yes. Now fucking listen to teacher.

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rather have 20 strongmen all happy than one or two unhappy officials.


Lesson the first: If you have unhappy officials then the next year, you have unhappy competitors when the officials decide that the athletes are a pile of ungrateful cunts and they don't feel like putting on another competition.

Athletes are easy to find. Sorry to say it. Promoters are not. It's a fucking thankless job.

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As Tom as said there needs to be a basic set of rules for all the strongman events, that way everyone one knows the score, and know what they need to do. 


Yes, yes and fucking yes. A standardized set of rules would solve all this shit. Look at the fucking mess powerlifting is for a good lesson on why this should be a priority for everyone.

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Athletes should have opinions as they are the ones taking part, esp if they are puting themsleves at risk too.


I already said that. IF THEY ARE AT RISK. If they're just bitching cuz they don't like it or don't see it as "fair", then fuck'em. Changing out a tire flip because the ground is a muddy mess and there's a huge chance of slipping and ending a career is one thing. Bitching about straps is another.

I will say my opinion again:

Does it suck that there's no straps on a SDDL? Fuck yes. That's lame as shit. We want our freak weights!

Is the timing of this announcement suspect? I don't know the people involved, but I'm getting the impression that something ain't quite kosher.

Does it rate this much bitching? Strikes me as a little whinier than a bunch of supposedly macho strongmen should be.

Again, that's just my opinions.

- Sean
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cougarman

All good points.
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Nick McKinless
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Just read that the events order has changed slightly as well...log was first followed by the deadlift but now the squat is the first event.

ORDER OF EVENTS

1. SQUAT
2. LOG
3. DEADLIFT
4. CONANS
5. FARMERS HOLD
6. ATLAS STONES

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