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Topic Started: Sep 24 2007, 02:27 PM (10,155 Views)
Dennis Ruygrok
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What did Zydrunas weigh in at this year?
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MaxPower
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His gut looks smaller.



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StuChristensen
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I read through this thread today, and although I have posted on Marunde Muscle a few times about how I think Derek is the real deal, I was really surprised to see so many people here count him out and not even have a chance at top 4 or 5.

Just wanted to post that up.
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Caber McJock
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Great performance by Poundstone.

Big Z, as said earlier, might be the greatest feats of strength ever performed in one contest.
How cool is that.
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MaxPower
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Z deadlift

Benni DL

Z yoke

Benni dumbell

Benni timber carry

Derek frame carry

Derek dumbell

Benni DL another angle
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Stefan Solvi
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Awesome!

But someone´s gotta put up Savickas 238kg stone for 3reps.
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Stefan Solvi
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Z with the dumbell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhM80ah12QY
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Thrand
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Thanks for that link. Impressive. He would have done more reps if he had more time.

I think that the suspections of Z, Vasil', Mikhail and Andrus are correct: the dumbell was lighter than the announced 92.

Suggestions for next year:

-get rid of the timing thing or establish a fairly higher time limit, such that it is the strength (or lack of it) of a competitor that only allows for X number of reps, and not the clock.
- 80 kg or 90kg is too light already. Let's see 105 or 110.
- no reps done = no points awarded.

Since I am at it, some more suggestions and comments:

- Don't choose certain competitors mainly because of their nationality.

- Ditch the yoke and put up a squat contest; it's time the Arnold Strongman had one. No machines, no car or barrel squat, nothing of that crap; barbell squat, no suits or wraps allowed, only belt, IPF criteria. Same format as with the Hummer Deadlift.
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WILL SAN
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Thrand
Mar 4 2008, 03:02 PM
- Ditch the yoke and put up a squat contest; it's time the Arnold Strongman had one. No machines, no car or barrel squat, nothing of that crap; barbell squat, no suits or wraps allowed, only belt, IPF criteria. Same format as with the Hummer Deadlift.

Disagree with that. If people want to see that they can go and watch the powerlifting. yoke is a classic SM event and should be in there IMO.
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GrantB
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I agree with Will. Powerlifting is already a great event at the Arnolds -- watch that for some good squats. Strongman is about getting AWAY from traditional lifts with traditional equipment.
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MaxPower
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Misha DL

Siders yoke

Siders dumbell

Z frame carry
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Tom Jones
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Z's deadlift looked very easy. He as a lot more in him yet thats for sure!
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Jamie
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Big congratulations goes out to Zydrunas and Derek!
I'm happy for Derek. That's a big accomplishment for him, and he's proving just how much of a force he could be in the WSMC this year (still).
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Paul_Amor
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Derek destroyed that dumbell, unlucky not to get 10 reps.

His performance was phenominal, simple phenominal.

As for Benny on the deadlift, VIKING POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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k2karakoram
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Don't choose certain competitors mainly because of their nationality.
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agree.


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- Ditch the yoke and put up a squat contest; it's time the Arnold Strongman had one. No machines, no car or barrel squat, nothing of that crap; barbell squat, no suits or wraps allowed, only belt, IPF criteria. Same format as with the Hummer
Deadlift


I agree and disagree. I say keep the heavy yoke because that
seems to be a very good strongman event but without a doubt have
a raw squat with no equipment at all including a belt. I say replace
the dumbell with the squat. BTW I have emailed Terry Todd about
this and the main problem is time and judging depth. Todd does
prefer max events though. I suggested that maybe in the future they
split the arnold strongman into 3 days instead of 2 to accommodate
more time. Terry seem to imply that might be a possibility in the
future because the Arnold Strongman is the big guy at the arnold.


I say first and foremost the Arnold Strongman should be a
competition to judge brute strength and should not be limited by
ANY events. Therefore I think it should consider traditional strongman
events as well as more traditional tests of strength such as a squat.
BTW, Raw squat competitions at this elite level are quite uncommon
so that in and of itself would be a plus having a raw squat.
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MaxPower
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Benni yoke

Vasyl dumbell

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Thrand
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WILL SAN and GrantB, I see what you mean. k2karakoram also makes very good points.
The way I see it, we have two options:

a. No more than 6 events at the Arnold. The frame carry, axle, stones and hummer deadlift are keepers, in my opinion, so it leaves us with 2 events that can be modified.
I think that a heavy raw squat is an excellent strongman event (not only a powerlifting one) and that it must have a place in a brute strength contest like the Arnold.
So I choose the squat over either the yoke or the dumbell. My reasoning for ditching the yoke: both the yoke and the frame carry belong to the same family of events, in that they consist of carrying a weight over a distance, being that the frame carry has the added requirement of a very strong grip, which is an essential quality to every strongman. So, I would keep the frame carry instead of the yoke.
I would also choose a throw over the dumbell lift, but not that strange ball thing they had previously. The problem here is finding a suitable throw, as the contest venue dimensions are a limitation.

b. As k2karakoram suggested, the best thing would be to have the Arnold spread over 3 days; then, by all means keep the present 6 events, but definitely add a squat contest and, maybe, some kind of throw.

Regarding the squat contest, I don't understand the problem of judging depth. Invite IPF referees and make the rules crystal clear on the athlete briefing.
I think such a contest would be a gift to Savickas, should the rumours of 400*4 raw be true; I don't see any of his opponents, Siders included, even managing 400*1...
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Tom Jones
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I love the idea of a true RAW squat at the Arnolds. Go with a thicker bar and have two huge wheels on the end as per Paul Anderson

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I would drop the yoke for this event for the reasons given by Thrand above
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Garrick Daft
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The Deadlift event is done without suits, they are not allowed.

A squat event would take forever, so it would have to replace the Deadlift due to time contraints more then likely. 3 days would be too much time also...that is a lot of time to ask the athletes to stay in top shape while lifting and carrying massive amounts of weight.

Height toss has been done and bombed...takes way to much time, looks awkward, and the crowd starts leaving..

You could think about a max log attempt also, but that would give too much edge to the Strongmen, while leaving the Powerlifters at a definitive disadvantage....

very interesting discussion though....
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Tom Jones
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I don't know if it would take a lot of time. Do it as a rising bar , last man standing event.
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Paul_Amor
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I’d have an arm over arm hummer pull (up a suitable hill to make it hard), but with a non-return ratchet on the rope so the hummer can’t role backwards. Hell you could even lift the hummer off the floor with a suitable pully set up (like the 2005 muscle power champs held in Canada with Hugo’s beautiful kit).

I’d also like to see a back lift done in the last man standing style but it’d take too long.

Suppose a heavy shield carry would be an option (might increase your chances of getting Pudz there) but I suspect it’d be a bit dull.

I know I’ve voiced the idea of Paul Anderson squats before, but I think they’d be too dull, and would probably have to replace the deadlift if you utilized a squat event (certainly not an option in my book) otherwise your making it too much of a powerlifting contest. Suppose 800lb Anderson Squat for reps might get the crowd going


Just really batting a few ideas around :P
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Tom Jones
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AS you say Paul, An Anderson style squat for reps done raw would be excellent.
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k2karakoram
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I love discussions like this.

About the Paul Anderson Style Squat event, the problem with having two huge wheels like that is that because the diameter is so large, the squat depth would not be uniform for all athletes. The taller the athlete the deeper the athelte has to go and conversely the shorter he is the less deep he has to go. So in other words the style of squat would favor shorter athletes

I don't like weight tosses either because they favor taller athletes (I think events should be height neutral as much as possible). There also is a higher degree of technique involved in comparison to other events and the way I see it, dependence on technique in a strongman event like the Arnold should be minimized as much as possible

Just to add more about the height neutrality. Well I suppose that it would be OK to have events that are not height neutral so long as they are balanced out. So for example if you have one that favors taller athletes, it is balanced out with one that favors shorter athletes. But I personally would prefer no events that favor taller or shorter athletes.

About the Frame Carry or the Yoke. Maybe alternate between the two? Actually the way I would do it would be to make the events more fresh from year to year and to incorporate more events. So for example I would alternate two different types of contests (but both of course ulta heavy).

Say in odd years (or even) you have a heavy contest that emphasizes Dynamic events (events where the athlete moves) and then in even years you emphasizes static brute strength. So for example it might look like this

Odd years

Heavy Frame carry (875 pounds or whatever)
Heavy Yoke (1150 pounds)
heavy power stair (800 pounds)
heavy tire (I don't know maybe something like 1150 pounds)
Heavy Stones Like it is currently done
The Appollon Axle like it is currently done

Even Years (all raw max events)
Basically it comes down to having 2 different types pressing events, 2 different
types of pulling events and 2 different kinds of squatting (one from the
front and the other from the back) events for a total of 6 events

Day 1 (squat day. Friday)
Event #1. Max Raw Front Squat
Event #2. Max Raw Back Squat

Day 2 (pressing day. Saturday)
Event #3. Alternate between a Max Raw Incline Bench and Max Raw Flat Bench
Event #4(overhead press). Alternative between a Max Viking Press, Max Push Press, Max BTN Push Press and a strict overhead press

Day 3 (pulling day. Sunday)
Event #5. Max power stair. Maybe alternate between pulling it to knee level or to
waist level. I think pulling events are so important that an event that is
pulling event but a higher pull than a deadlift is pretty important. A
simple power clean would emphasize too much techique and I think might
favor those with an olympic lifting background too much.

Event #6. A max deadlift of some kind. I suppose the hummer deadlift is whats
popular so stick with that even though I favor a much simple
conventional deadlift with or without straps (or even a trap bar deadlift).


So thats the basic idea. I am sure the powers that be would bprobably would not like the idea or at least the one on even years because either they would deem the events too "boring" or too similar to conventional lifts but I am more or a purist.


One other point about squats and it being too much like a Powerlifting events. Well like I said I believe that an event like the Arnold should not be limited by any
kind of event restriction on events but if its done Raw that would be different than they way its done in most powerlifting competitions. There are ways to make the squat different.

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I feel that one of the key elements for the Arnold is the unique-ness of it's events. With them honouring past great strongmen.

You have the dumbell press honouring the likes of Thomas Inch and Louis Cyr
Apollons Axles.
The deadlift, the simplest guage of total body power, as Jon Pall said "there's no point living if you can't deadlift"
The quintessential and iconic strongman event of Atlas Stone lifting.

I feel that the Paul Anderson squats would be another fitting event, to honour him.

A husafell stone carry would be inkeeping, a great icelandic tradition and would also pay homage to basque stone lifting
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k2karakoram
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Paul

I do love your idea of a Paul Anderson type back-lift. If that could
be incorporated somehow but I doubt it.
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