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GREEK EXPLOITATION COVERS & POSTERS
Topic Started: Oct 3 2007, 08:29 AM (127,969 Views)
skatschko
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Hi, A.N.

On the basis of your deep knowledge and expertise on the subject, are you aware if this film had a hard version, that was only destined in foreign markets?

As Miltos had -rightfully- pointed out in some other discussion, Ajita Wilson played a relatively minor role in this film, and one could only explain her presence by the alleged existence of hardcore scenes.
I strongly doubt, however, that any other of the girls had performed in hard scenes.
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Thanks to both Andrea and Miltos for the precious info.

1. Re "The Eromeni", I think you are probably right. If some hard scenes were shot, these would have been with Ajita Wilson and eventually some unknown guys (minor protagonists), maybe the ones in the cut scene you mentionned.

2. Re "Erotiko Pathos", you are also right. As I have also pointed out in my presentation of this title in EGAFD, the scene involving Stallone and Wilson would have absolutely no sense, if there hadn't been any hard sequences to complete their night club encounter. I can't tell for sure about Ajita's scenes with Tsaftaridis (Lados). Monica Nickel's scenes seemed soft in any case (btw, did this girl ever get involved in b/g scenes?).

3. Re "Erotiki Ekstassi", could you kindly tell us who is involved in the hard scenes? Just Wilson or also Mireille Damien, and with whom?

4. Last but not least, thanks to Andrea for his corrections about my presentation of "Lust Injektion". I will most certainly make amends about the fact that this title had actually received a VHS circulation in Greece. I think, however, having mentionned being sure of the theatrical one, as one can spot the original poster of such a release in some other Greek hard film of the 1980s "Flogeres Ellinides". Essentially, my point was to prove that this title was no original Greek production and that the "Greek" title "Enessis Pathus" constituted only the translation of the original German one.
If it is true that this was Laura Levi's first appearance in a porn film, then we could be able to date its release at 1979. Do you agree?

And a last question, if you allow me. Do you have any clue about the "original" title of its twin film "European Sex Vacation"? And are you aware if both titles were shot at the same time ? Apart from Gambier & Levi, the female cast was different in both these titles (I am practically convinced that the other girls were German ones that Katsimitsoulias brought with him in Greece, but one couldn' t exclude that maybe some unknown Greek girl has also taken part). Have you, btw, recognised any of the other actresses?

Many thanks, yet again.

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Thanks very much for your excellent and detailed reply.

I recall you have mentionned in some other forum thread that Katerina Spathi (credited as Giovanna Katerina Spathe in the Italian version: [La Libidine e il Piacere]) made her hardcore debut in "Lust-Injektion". Are you sure of it? I am not sure having spotted her. And, in general, do you happen to know if the onscreen credits of the Italian version have any credibility?

Two more questions, if you allow me:
1. "Who-is-who" between Micheli and Sadurny in"Erotiki Ekstassi"? I recall that one (but who?) was playing Wilson's lover (Alexis, a painter) and the other was playing some kind of secretary/private eye hired by Wilson's husband.

2. Do you know if the film "To gliko Kormi tis Bianka" (Sweet Body of Bianca) was released in a hard version, as well?
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I am very grateful for your remarks, A.N.

1. This would also surprise you, but I rank myself among the guys (very few, indeed...) who think highly of the Italian credits of foreign porn movies. Moreover, for the ones concnerning Greek films, as it seems that Greek producers (especially in the 1980s) sold their films abroad on the basis of contracts, and that's how some "real" credits have probably been included and recognised (I am referring once again to Markidis's "Diakopes stin Idra", where the credits of the Italian & German releases were quite identical, yet completely different from the fake ones of the original Greek version).

In general, you must be extremely cautious with all the credits of the Olympus Films- Th. Mikhailidis (Markidis) productions of the 1980s. For their most part, they are inaccurate and often reproduce older ones from other films (the same applies also with their dates of release). Sometimes even ("O Kirios Kathigitis"), there were different casts given in the onscreen credits and in the original VHSs boxcovers!

This explains also the problem with Katerina Spathi/Joanna. This is actually the same girl having used occasionally one or the other name, which has sometimes led to the paranoia of including both names in the onscreen credits, confusing so many people (and websites) about the existence of 2 different actresses. I recall that in some other of your previous e-mails here, you confused Joanna with Monica (or Maria) Dimitriou, whereas in EGAFD the confusion about the identity of the well known blonde girl (who is still -but not for very long- credited as Joanna [3]) comes also from some film where she appeared alongside Katerina Spathi. [Btw, thanks a lot for your precisions on Kat. Spathi's eventual appearance in "Lust-Injektion" ; I will certainly give my copy a closer look during the weekend....]

That's why the only "reliable" way to proceed with Greek films is the one of EGAFD, even if unfortunately this would lead to too many XNKs, which is something not very practical for reviewers or other serious researchers, like you.

2. Thanks for identifying the males of "Erotiki Ekstassi". Possessing the hard version of "Nathalie" and sharing totally your assumptions on Milonakos titles, I also agree about "To gliko Kormi tis Bianka" having a hard version. Question for you: Who is the guy involved in the big majority of the sex scenes in this title? Is he the one credited as Bruno Alias ? And assuming he is Italian, is he the one appearing in many Italian productions of the mid 1980s as Bruno Arias? If this is the case, the older guy playing Orestes would be Panos Fitos and Mario Cutini would be the actor playing the novelist Robert. Was Cutini ever involved in hard scenes, btw?

3. Re your question about "Erotiko Pathos", I don't have any clue who the actor Odysseas Georgiadis might be. This was a very difficult title regarding the recognition of male performers. Apart from Tsaftaridis (Lados), Stallone & Stratos Zamidis (the father of Kleon, actually the older guy, who plays the husband [?] of Femi Benoussi and is shot dead by Ajita Wilson), I can't identify the others. We do have the names Yiorgos Statiras (probably, the well known producer), Yiorgos Krallis and Odisseas Georgiadis (let alone minor ones) for at least 4 males appearing in it: The very old guy (Della's uncle or grand-parent) at the beginning of the film, the doctor (and lover of both Benussi & Nickel), the butler (lover of Benussi) & the police detective who investigates Tsaftaridis in the cottage about his past. But, who is who....???

4. Re "To Haremi tou Passa", having prepared for EGAFD this film's "draft" page (in the sense that captures of all the girls have not been taken), I can confirm that neither Angela Yiannou (the second one, the post-op transsexual) nor Peghi Simou (who shouldn't, btw, be called that way but probably as Jenny Massoura or something else) have any appearance in this one, at least in the (awful) DVD edition of this film by GR Films. I must confess that I have prepared the page after having watched just this recent DVD and that I should probably watch again my original VHS, if only to confirm that no scene is missing from the DVD reedition and that no other girls appear.
You shouldn't give, though, that much credit to this film's onscreen "credits", as for ex. Stallone, Karanikolas & Dimitriou appear in practically every film of the 1980s. If you notice carefully the review in EGAFD, you will also spot that there are question-marks alongside Dorothy Evans (if she appears, she is one of the girls in the harem, but she doesn't have any sex) and some other girls (XNKs), meaning that there is always room for a mistake.
Guya Lauri Filzi is also in it, but her brief scene was probably shot on the occasion of her stay in Athens for her participation in other films (probably of "Ke apo bros ke apo pisso"), which allows us to conclude that this film was most certainly shot sooner than 1986, its official date of release.
As for Lokatzis, I can't be sure to whim this name correspond. The guy to which this name could be "attributed" here is one of the regular guys that appear in 1980s Greek porn films, but I have yet to arrive to any serious conclusion about his identity. The name Spiros Lokatzis appears, of course, occasionally in other titles of the 1980s, but if I recall well also in titles where this guy didn't take part...
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Ooops :o ...............I totally agree with your P.S., Andrea.

Miltos, many apologies for getting way of subject in my last e-mails. I wish you could eventually "transfer" these last e-mails in some new thread. Anticipating that, I won't reply to A.N. (temporarily!). Andrea, pardon me.....

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I think our last e-mails could be transferred to the "Greek hardcore of 70s & 80s" section.
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Thanks to Miltos for kindly allowing us to continue our discussion here.

If I may anticipate Miltos's reply to Andrea's recent questions :

1. "Stin Ellada simera, ...oles ton pernoun fanera" & "Ellada, i Chora tis Tsontas" are definitively 2 different "films", both compiled by Tolis Trikkis [= Apostolos Tegopoulos (1936-2007), who has quit us earlier this year] for his company Seilinos Films and released in 1984. These were the only "official" examples of Greek compilation films. It's highly probable that some scenes may have appeared in both titles. I haven't watched the second one for some time now, unlikely the first one.
"Stin Ellada..." was a very pleasant title, in that it marked the last (?) onscreen appearance of 1970s legendary actor and producer Harry Brummel (= Haralambos Iossifidis), who incarnated a porn director going here and there along with his cameraman (Antonis Skopelitis), in order to shoot decent fuck scenes for his future film. This was of course just a pretext to "present" other scenes from former Trikkis/Seilinos Film productions. However, at least one scene may have been presented here for the first time (as it was allegedly not included in some other film of Trikkis).

2. "Idonikes Diastrofes" and "Angeli Diastrofis" were two different films. The first one was an early production by Trikkis/Tegopoulos (1983), while the second one was the legendary film also directed by Tegopoulos (1983), which, however, has incorporated many of the rare B/W archive hardcore footage of the 1970s, that originated from Harry Brummel's mid-1970s porn flicks. Undeniably, the most important document on the history of Greek porn in the 1970s.

Many thanks to Andrea for his info on the performers of "To gliko Kormi tis Bianka" (had Bruno Alias performed homosexual sex onscreen in the films you have mentionned or was he just "incarnating" homosexual roles?) & "Erotiko Pathos" (I am certain about Zamidis father & I agree on your assumptions about Statiras ; this means that the name "Odisseas Georgiadis" could only be credited for the police detective or some other minor performer).

As for Guia Lauri Filzi I totally agree with you. Still, her film shot in Skiathos (Diakopes ke Party me Ouza) must have probably been produced on the occasion of another trip in Greece (i.e. not at exactly the same time as the other Lalos/Papadimas productions filmed in Athens). Btw, Diakopes was released (both theatrically and on video) in 1984, and not in 1986 (despite what the Greek reference books on the subject mention), which only strengthens your argument about Filzi's date of retirement.
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Great infos once again, Andrea.

1. What on earth is Herbert (Herbie) Hofer doing in Miami, FL? Is he having a well deserved retirement or is he keeping him busy with his paintings? He was allegedly an amateur painter/actor outside his porn activities in Italy & Greece. Btw, I have only quite recently found out that he was very active in Italian Porn both before and after his Greek experience (1983-1984).

Few questions:
- How did he land in Italy? I am convinced, that his stay in Greece was "facilitated" by his Italian porn experience, and, besides, he returned there once again...
- Under which name did he perform in Italy, or was he systematically uncredited?
- Was he the (allegedly) sodomized by Emperor Caligula "groom" in Bruno Mattei's & Ant. Passalia's "Caligola e Messalina" [1982] ?

2. Many thanks for the info on Bruno Alias. Wasn't there also another bisexual actor that was very active around the mid 1980s in Italy (Giuliano Rosati)?

3. Re Tina Spathi, I don't want to open this quite "delicate" subject of discussion.
However, no one will ever convince me totally and categorically that she never took part in hard scenes (and no matter what she says... : there's no one more keen to rewrite history than a former porn star !). I am aware of your arguments about the differences in colour in "Angeli diastrofis", but who told you that all the Iossifidis productions were shot in B/W? It's certain that the extract with Tina Spathi lasts only for a bit more than one minute, and this constitutes, in my opinion, the main argument in her favour. But aren't you curious that all the archive footage that was inserted in "Angeli diastrofis" (and that was most certainly provided by Brummel himself) consisted of scenes that lasted several minutes, but for the exception of this one with Spathi? As for launching a legal action, I could well understand if Anna Fonsou or Gisela Dali had taken such a decision (in regard to their "films" involving fake hardcore inserts), but why on earth Tina Spathi ? She was an exclusively erotic performer, not a mainstream actress! And speaking of these credits (and their credibility) aren't you intrigued that Tegopoulos and Iossifidis have decided to include her name? I perfectly understand that she was (and still is) a cult figure (and have no doubts, I am a big fan of the lady), but all these names represent the main historical link betwen the 2 periods of Greek Erotica...... Besides, in some recent interviews, I have only noticed her protesting about her (sur)name's usurpation in the 1980s by the local porn business and Katerina Spathi. A week ago, she took part in a documentary on Greek TV, where she insisted that all the sex scenes peformed in the 1970s were fake and that all the performers were ...friends. Such a viewpoint has the same credibility as the sempiternal arguments of Efstratiadis about having ... never shot hardcore stuff (which was allegedly added by European importers of his films !!!!) and by Markidis's guilty silence about his past....

4. As for Filzi, I was surprised to notice her presence in "To Haremi tou Passa", but this brief blowjob sequence with Stallone was probably a material cut from some Papadimas title (perhaps "Ke apo bross ke apo pisso"?) . Yet, I suspect she might be present in one more title (shot at around the same time, but released in 1985) that I have been trying for ages to dig out (I have only watched it in some porn cinema...). If & when I succeed in locating this one, I will certainly keep you posted about the eventual confirmation of my hunch...
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This is once again extremely interesting info.

Re Hofer, wasn't "Safari porno" a compilation film by Luret ? And when you state he begun his career in France are you referring to some production where he was featured alongside Dominique St-Claire (Dom Pat) & Elisabeth Buret? I have spotted an orgy scene involving all the above in another compilation by Luret "Les Bachelieres en chaleur" (Orgasmi deliranti, in the Italian version), the origin of which I have for quite some time now been trying to establish. It was certainly shot in the early 1980s, though, and if I may add, probably in Italy. Btw, could the name "Peter Olson" met frequently in 1980s Italian productions refer to Hofer? (or, rather, to Brunello Chiodetti?)

Re Bruno Alias, was I right in assuming that he was credited as "Arias" in these mid 1980s productions? And who are the other 2 actors you mentioned? Perhaps Fernando Arcangeli (Mimi Losy) & ......? But did they really get involved in this kind of action?

As for Tina Spathi, I don't disagree with you on this particular scene (actually, from the few moments it lasted, I think that at the beginning it was her, and then probably the body close-ups corresponded to some other performer). But, I would like to keep my general reservations, which are in any case of very relative value, until further "proof".... Besides, I haven't watched all the titles she took part in, and in my opinion her most "intense" scenes (despite, of course, the fake inserts of the hardcore version) were probably the ones with Y. Stratigakis in "To Akroyali tou Erota".

As for Filzi, I had no doubts about your knowledge of the "ghost movie"! ;) But don't worry, it will sooner or later show up...
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1. With Jean Luret, one has to be very careful, as he was the master of "compilations". I can't tell about the other film you mentionned, still it strikes me that Claudine Beccarie would still be active as late as in 1981. I remind you that she quit porn around 1977, and that one of her last appearances on film was in I. Milonakos's "Erotiki iperentassi" aka "To Simadi" (which also explains why this film got a French hardcore release).

2. So, some guy named "Fardelli" was the "man of straw" for Franco lo Cascio (Luca Damiano) and Lucky Faar Delly wasn't a pseudonym for Damiano, if I got it right?

3. Could you kindly name the other actor involved in homosexual scenes in early 1980s apart from Arcangeli?

4. There isn't a "fixed" way of transliterating Greek titles to English or other European languages (Personally I am for the "phonetic" transliteration, i.e. I write the titles or names according to how they are really pronounced in Greek language). So, assuming that "Nathalie" had an original Greek version (according to Koliodimos's dictionary, it did), it could be written in both ways. I am aware that IMDB writes it "Natali". This is in fact closer to how the name is pronounced & written in Greek, but on the other hand, the Greek equivalent is Natalia, which implies that the title was probably referring to a French or other girl, whose name was pronounced in the "original" way: Nathalie. I hope I was quite clear.

Btw, I have questionned in EGAFD the existence of an "original" Greek version of "The Pussycat Syndrome". However, not only IMDB but also Koliodimos make a clear reference that the original Greek title was "Oryia stin Kerkira" and that the date of release was 1980 (despite what is clearly mentionned in the opening onscreen credits of the international version, released in DVD by New Star: 1983). I recall that Miltos has also offered us here a scan of his VHS copy boxcover mentionning "Oryia stin Kerkira". Still, if I might accept the title, I have lots of doubts about the date of release. Do you happen to know if Hofer was in Greece around 1980? Personally, I insist that this film was shot in (or around) 1982.

5. Re "Dipli idoni sta Kaminia", the opening credits were by all means fake, as in the overwhelming majority of 1980s Greek porn films. Need I remind you that, but for the exception of Ajita Wilson and Herbie Hofer (quite surprisingly for the latter), foreign performers' names incl. for ex. Guia Lauri Filzi have remained (and still are) completely unknown in Greece? I don't know the name of the actor you mentionned. :( But then, this applies for, let's say, about 80% of Greek male performers in hardcore productions...
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