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KRAI THONG 1 & 2; Thai croc horror (the original versions)
Topic Started: Jan 8 2008, 08:46 PM (6,391 Views)
Jack J
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I know there's a fairly recent Thai horror movie called KRAI THONG and there's also a sequel. I haven't watched either but every damn review I've read so far totally disses them :lol:

HOWEVER, as I was checking out the various DVD versions I discovered that there are also two OLD Krai Thong movies. They're out on Thai VCD and apparently at least the first one has English subtitles!

Check out my links to them (scroll down, there's scans from the films). Has any of you seen these old versions? Are the new ones remakes or different takes on the Croc story? They're only around 6 bucks so obviously I ordered them.

Krai Thong (Classic)
http://www.ethaicd.com/show.php?pid=12909

Krai Thong 2 (Classic)
http://www.ethaicd.com/show.php?pid=17524

Btw, the postage is included in the price at eThaiCD. You can also get them from Thai CD express.

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There are other versions of the Krai Thong legend. One is a recent porn adaptation, without any interest. But before the two movies which starred Sorapong Chatree, there was one that you can eventually find on VCD as "The Crocodile Men".
It was probably made in the late 1970s, the exact country is difficult to establish, perhaps a copro between Thailand and Hong Kong. It was directed by Hui Keung (but the name has different spellings, like "Kam Yung" in Cantonese, "Jin Weng" in Mandarin, or "Chin Weng" in Taiwanese Mandarin) and the star is the Cambodian actress Dy Saveth, who was the "Snake Girl" in a series of films (a girl with a Medusa-type hair, full of snakes). Hui Keung, the director, also stars. Others in the cast are Huoy Dina and Hsien Hu Ting.
Actors are difficult to identify as my VCD is Chinese and all the names are of course Chinese transcriptions. Apparently Dy Saveth is renamed "Li Sa Yue" (or "Li Sha Yue", or "Li Sha Yueh").
Dy Saveth was (and still is) a beautiful Cambodian star. By miracle she escaped the Red Khmer terror as she was shooting a movie in Hong Kong, if I remember well. She take refuge in France where she lived during at least twenty years, and in recent years returned to Cambodia.
"The Crocodile Men" is the classic story of Krai Thong and his arch enemy Charavann. The title is sometimes mentioned in Khmer forums as "Kritong Kraper Charavann", or "Krai Thorng Krawper Charavan". The Chinese title is "Tin Gor" (Cantonese), "Tian E" (Mandarin), "Tien E" (Taiwanese Mandarin).
The VCD is subtitled in Chinese and English.
I'm almost sure that other versions of "Krai Thong" were made.
Incidentally, the "Krai Thong 2" mentioned in your post was the movie later "cannibalized" to become "Cocodile Fury", after adjonction of sequences of Chinese hopping vampires or zombies !!! the problem being than the quality of the "Krai Thong 2" segments were superb in the patchwork film (in Scope), when the VCD release of the original movie is really awful (and the same goes for the other movie, "Krai Thong 1")... Sad.

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Hey Jean-Claude,
We spoke briefly about Indo flicks over at Dvdmaniacs a little while ago, remember?

Thanks for your info on the Krai Thong films. That's very useful.

I already have DVD releases of both THE CROCODILE MEN (with great picture, I think it's taken from a laserdisc) and also SNAKE GIRL (also great picture). They are both dubbed in Mandarin and comes with English subtitles.

I also just got SNAKE GIRL DROPS IN (aka La vipère du karaté) on French DVD. In our brief PM exchange you mentioned that she plays a mute due to her not being able to speak Chinese. I don't think this is the case. All Hong Kong movies prior to the mid 1980s were filmed without sound and were later dubbed in the studios. All actors were dubbed later (either by themselves or somebody else). So it wouldn't have been a problem that she didn't speak either Cantonese or Mandarin. Cynthia Rothrock sure as hell didn't speak a word or Chinese when she did YES, MADAM! I believe it was just a natural part of the role Dy Saveth played.

Here's my two DVDs of the films:

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Hello Jack... now I remember this brief exchange in DVD Maniacs.
I just took the "explanation" of Dy's mutism in this HK movie in a Khmer forum, but you are probably right. What is curious is that she plays a mute character in this one when the same character was speaking in the first films in the series...
Can you tell me who distributes the DVDs reproduced in your post ? or where I can find them, and under what titles ?
Recently in YouTube someone posted one of the snake girl Cambodian movies, I got it but the print was awful, incomplete and makes no sense. However I kept it as reference. The title was "Pous Kerng Kong". I wonder if this one survived in HK or elsewhere.
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Feb 6 2008, 10:21 PM
Can you tell me who distributes the DVDs reproduced in your post ? or where I can find them, and under what titles ?

Uhh, buddy, I'm afraid you just missed the train! Those DVDs are very well made bootlegs and were put out by a company in the UK. The reason nobody noticed them is that it was a bootlegger that sold mainly kung-fu films. He had tons of very rare films that his dad (who became a kung-fu fanatic already in the 1970s) would go to Asia and buy already in the early 1980s. I discovered them by chance.

And unfortunately he closed down shop on the first of January (of this year) and moved with his dad to Dubai. No kidding.

The site is still there and they'll keep it alive as a reference site, but you can't buy anything. The titles are the English ones I used in the above.


http://www.flashlegsrare.com/default.asp



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Too bad... Just let's hope that somebody will follow this example! I never get enough of these rare movies. :lol:
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Both "Krai Thong" and "Krai Thong 2" (the old versions, not the recent remakes) were released in Thailand on VCD. These movies, produced around the early 1980's, starred Sorapong Chatree and both were directed by Meramit for the Chai-yo company.
Unfortunately, as it's too often the case with Thai VCDs, the transfers are very poor and the movies themselves are cropped.

The paradox is that a really beautiful print of "Krai Thong 2" was apparently available somewhere, but unfortunately was bought (or stolen ?) by the unfamous Tomas Tang, the so-called "producer" of innumerable "two-in-one" movies. One of his "yes-men", hiding himself behind the pseudonym of "Ted Kingsbrook", was in charge to direct incoherent sequences involving a Chinese witch, a flying human skull, and an dozen of hopping vampire/zombies. The actors were recruited in Hong Kong, among them was a young athletic man named Kent Wills who became "Nick Reece" for the screen. The others, including the Chinese ones, being hidden under American names.

The resulting sequences were pasted-up around lenghty passages of "Krai Thong 2", the actors from this movie never encountering the others, of course. The result ? as you probably guessed: an incomprehensible mess, called CROCODILE FURY, and apparently totally unreleased anywhere excepted in... France.

The dubbed VHS (the dubbing itself being a monument of hilarity) is of good quality, and the wide-screen is respected. This being, of course, a suplementary motive of exasperation, as if Tomas Tang had simply chosen to release "Krai Thong 2" without these idiotic "new sequences", it would have been the best source for this rare movie.

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Thanks for your info and the cover scan. Great pity they didn't just release the film (or both of them) on a proper DVD! The subs on the first VCD are barely readable and of course the second VCD doesn't have any subs at all. They really deserve a proper release.


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Who knows ? perhaps we'll have a good DVD some day from an unexpected source. It's a chance that most of these Thai, Cambodian, etc. movies were also released in Hong Kong, or even Japan - these "foreign" prints could be the last ones existing. It's the same thing for some Philipino movies, the ones that survived, and in very good condition, are the co-productions with the USA !
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This is the Thai poster for the version of KRAI THONG starring Dy Saveth and Hui Keung (who was also the director and, incidentally, Dy's husband). The Thai dealer who was selling this poster on eBay transcribed Dy Saveth's name as "Deesavate" !!!

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