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Are these DVDs cut?; DEVIL'S KISS and BLOOD ON SATAN'S CLAW
Topic Started: Oct 13 2008, 04:29 AM (2,908 Views)
Jack J
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Oct 14 2008, 01:13 AM
Bill Knight
Oct 13 2008, 10:48 PM
Just to clear this up about 'Blood on Satan's Claw'....I own this title on film and transferred it to VHS and DVD and it is fully uncut and in the proper screen ratio with all of the nudity and picture info clearly viewable unlike the UK DVD which crops it off. It's also way brighter than the UK DVD. So if the actual film contains this picture information then that is the way it was shown in the theaters.

Hi Bill, anyway of getting a copy of your 'BLOOD ON SATANS CLAW' on DVD-R??? Thanks, Eddie

I was gonna ask the same. :ph43r:
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Yes....it will be available again soon on my site.

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I mostly agree with what has been said about alternate/director's cut versions. They can be quite fickle, and I am a stickler for most complete 99% of the time.

But there are some exceptions for me:

-I think the Japanese DEEP RED version is better than the full two-hour PROFONDO ROSSO original. The "Italian" stuff in ROSSO just drags on and on (the humor, the sexual tension between Hemmings and Nicolodi) and lightens the tone of the film too much. The Japanese release is just like their VHS cover art: brutal and to the point!
-DAWN OF THE DEAD (1978). For years I preferred the "Director's cut" which contained more gore and other footage, but now I admire the theatrical version more for its punchy pace and leanness.

**Bill! Shee-it, it's me! And I'm in Texas now (loooong story but looking to move back to Boston or to Seattle once I get my RN nursing degree). Anyways, just looked at your SATAN'S CLAW print last night and indeed it is bright and sharp. Is this the same print you will be putting on DVD-R?

Also, will you be releasing any new titles to DVD-R or is that chapter of your life now closed?

Hope all is well :D
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There is some truth to be gleaned from both sides of the 'director's cut' debate. As I said before, I'll usually prefer an 'unmatted' version over a matted lettrbox (especially if nudity is featured). I'm not much for inserts per se, but neither do I like directors messing around with their films afterwards (David Lynch blurring out Laura Harring's frontal bits for the home video release of Mulholland Dr, for instance... :angry: ), unless the original 'untampered with' version is also included.

Speaking of which, check out the American '25th anniversary' dvd release of Private Lessons: nudity is digitally blurred, an opening scene is removed, and picture quality is lousy fullscreen. And I wanted so much to get the uncut version (adolescent memories...sigh).

So basically, yeah, I'd like to see the full-frame Linda Hayden in a bright, clear and UNCUT version of Satan's Claw. :rolleyes:
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Stephen Gladwin
Oct 14 2008, 02:39 AM
**Bill!  Shee-it, it's me!  And I'm in Texas now (loooong story but looking to move back to Boston or to Seattle once I get my RN nursing degree).  Anyways, just looked at your SATAN'S CLAW print last night and indeed it is bright and sharp.  Is this the same print you will be putting on DVD-R?

Also, will you be releasing any new titles to DVD-R or is that chapter of your life now closed?

Hope all is well :D

Hi Stephen,
Good to hear you are doing well!

Yes that is the version which will be on DVD-R.

Also, yes I will see what I can do to get some more titles on DVD when I restore most of the older catalog DVDs.

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Oct 14 2008, 04:14 PM


As for the $20 price....give me a break!! Seriously.
For example: go buy the Japan version of 'Hunchback of the Morgue' (if you can find it) and see what you pay for it.
Why people bitch about price always puzzles me. I guess it's peoples nature to gripe.

he's not gonna find it :lol: , infact , he won't even find a cover scan or pic of the front cover...ect...

and Bill u r quite right ,people love to gripe and what's even more amazing is these same people have no interest in said merchandise of which prices they r complaining about....
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In another thread Pete Tombs explained why Mondo Macabro wouldn't be putting out Pengabdi Setan (Satan's Slave) and Primitif (Primitives) simply because Brentwood and Videoasia have put out bootlegs of them (using prints from video tapes). Now there's someone you should be going after! Those are the crooks!! It means now we wont be getting great looking dvd releases of those film in foreseeable future (maybe never). :angry:

Some little guy like making dvd-r's available for collectors isn't gonna threaten a legit dvd company's release plan. The threat comes from bootleggers like Brentwood. About the price: if it's too expensive then just don't buy 'em. Simple as that.


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Oct 14 2008, 04:46 PM
In another thread Pete Tombs explained why Mondo Macabro wouldn't be putting out Pengabdi Setan (Satan's Slave) and Primitif (Primitives) simply because Brentwood and Videoasia have put out bootlegs of them (using prints from video tapes). Now there's someone you should be going after! Those are the crooks!! It means now we wont be getting great looking dvd releases of those film in foreseeable future (maybe never). :angry:

Some little guy like making dvd-r's available for collectors isn't gonna threaten a legit dvd company's release plan. The threat comes from bootleggers like Brentwood. About the price: if it's too expensive then just don't buy 'em. Simple as that.


Jack

spot on jack !
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Oct 14 2008, 04:46 PM
In another thread Pete Tombs explained why Mondo Macabro wouldn't be putting out Pengabdi Setan (Satan's Slave) and Primitif (Primitives) simply because Brentwood and Videoasia have put out bootlegs of them (using prints from video tapes). Now there's someone you should be going after! Those are the crooks!! It means now we wont be getting great looking dvd releases of those film in foreseeable future (maybe never).  :angry:

Some little guy like making dvd-r's available for collectors isn't gonna threaten a legit dvd company's release plan. The threat comes from bootleggers like Brentwood. About the price: if it's too expensive then just don't buy 'em. Simple as that.


Jack

For Real. Its not like Bill is Cold Pressing these, covering up the subs and trying to pass it off as his own release. Its always been quite clear on Midnights site that this is a collector to collector basis and where the films are resourced from. Good luck trying to Find some of the stuff Bill has anyway, you dink! Id gladly pay 20 bucks for a copy of a tape that is absolutely unobtainable!!!! I like to watch the films just as much as collect them, and just like all collecting communities there are those ultra rarities that only a few people have, so, why not settle for a copy that is professionally transferred and just as good looking as the original source material???!!!!
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A great many Spanish films from the 1960s and 1970s were restricted by what they were allowed to show due to the Franco-era censorship of the time. The directors would make their films and also cater to the demands of countries outside of their own by filming alternate footage and sometime whole sequences for export prints only. Sometimes this footage was a relief of sorts to directors as it allowed them the opportunity to add extra sauce (blood OR sexy sauce) and make the film more punchy as they would have prefered. But others were actually not that fussed about such things and prefered a more subtle aproach, only shooting the more explicit footage to cater to export needs and prefering their vision to be their original more subtle approach under Spanish guidelines. It all comes down to the type of film being made and the type of director making it i guess. Jose Larraz was not happy about shooting some of the sexier and more violent moments in some of his films, such as VAMPYRES and has said so. But it was done to cater to the export market.
Same goes for other countries. Norman J. Warren, for instance, shot extra-explicit footage for his films TERROR and SATAN'S SLAVE but his prefered versions were always his original edits of the film. The extra gore was shot at the time for inclusion in export prints but the edits that the director has always stated were his 'directors cut' visions were the less graphic versions. SATAN'S SLAVE had extra graphic gore added for export prints and he felt it pushed things over the edge a little too much. As for TERROR, there were close-up shots of one female victim's feet being stabbed through with a knife that the director felt were unjustly gratuitous as well as (i think) one or two other brief moments of bumped-up grue...

The directors don't always want their gore films to be overly gory as it maybe detracts from their intent in building a scene in their own minds. Same goes for an erotic scene...maybe they want it to be 'erotic' and not so 'titilatingly sexy' and yet are required to add extra nudity or some close-ups that cheapen the scene in their eyes.

I personally don't find the longest version of a film means it is best. I simply find any version of a film interesting in its own way usually, whether the director's original vision, an extra-spiced-up export edit, a watered-down TV version with alternate takes shot for that milder broadcast edit to replace the more explicit stuff...it all holds a fascinating historical value for me!

But, sure...Franco, Naschy, Larraz, Serrador, etc...they have all made films with alternate export footage to appeal to non-Spanish restriction countries of the time.

And then you have films that have had footage added for export prints that has been filmed by someone entirely different of course! Sometimes the producer has stepped in and shot the footage after the fact, sometimes a distributor has added footage from another film in their library, sometimes a rights-owner will have paid someone to shoot some inserts or new footage to add something they feel is necessary to the film's success. It is a strange and difficult world to follow at times...

Jess Franco himself once said in an interview i was privvy to that his original Spanish edit of MALEDICION DE FRANKESTEIN was his original vision at that time and that the EROTIC RITES OF FRANKENSTEIN edit was not one he was familiar with. He mentioned not knowing who shot nudity for the film and said that once the film had been sold outside of Spain at that time he had little to do with it. Strange, i know, considering his reputation for changing his films in the editing room on many occasions, cutting footage and adding new scenes, etc. But he has always been very honest and detailed when recollecting memories about such activities over the decades with his films and so why would he either lie or forget about shooting a saucier edit? The fact is he found it amusing that someone had shot extra footage for that film and released a version called THE EROTIC RITES OF FRANKENSTEIN!
Sometimes we may NEVER know the truth behind an original intended vision of a director unless it is specified and documented in interviews...

On a slightly similar note, Peckinpah's THE WILD BUNCH was released some years ago in a version described as a "restored Director's Cut" by Warner. This was put out on VHS and later on DVD. But this release is simply a cut-and-paste job...a composite. It uses various elements to create a more complete edit than the bastardized edit that the Americans were used to seeing for so long. Yet it still omits various footage that was in the old UK pre-cert video release and also, i believe, footage that is present in a print the British Film Institute have in their library. Some of the violence is toned down too in the so-called 'Directors Cut', with bullet hits/squib effects being omitted and other violence, while even some nudity and other elements are absent also!
I know this has little to do with the discussion of alternate edits of a director's original vision but it is a point i wanted to make that highlights just how blurred the historical facts of an original 'directors cut' vision can become when misinformation becomes accepted as the norm. But we have come to accept this as part of the DVD age now and that is why old VHS releases still have such significance these days to people like the Cinehounds on here...
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