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ONAR FILMS VOMIT... EXPLANATIONS
Topic Started: Feb 6 2009, 04:51 PM (1,480 Views)
ONARFILMS
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Since this ridiculous issue has taken monstrous proportions let me try to sort things out.

There are 3 cases here:
MILTOS CASE- JACK CASE- AYMAN CASE.

MILTOS CASE

First of all people who would like to follow this must first check the other-closed- "vomit" threads.
Just let me add the link to my blog onarfilms.blogspot.com.
Please follow the DECEMBER SALES IN DOUBT.. thread and you can draw your own conclusions.

1) There, you will see the whole context, the whole "environment".
You will see me in a desperate situation.

I had just experienced a family fuckup that cost me 4,000 euro. It hasn't finished yet and it's going to cost me much more.

I was just watching my dvd sales drop to hell and all wholesalers abandoning me.

A greek guy had just given me his 100th false promise he would give me back the 2,000 ++ euro he owes me.

Ayman had just let me down due to some ebay shit.

Jack had just agreed with a guy who didn't think I had really dropped my dvd prices.

Miltos had just told me I'm a jinx.

And now, Miltos announced our 13 years old friendship is caput... for what?
BECAUSE I WAS IN A PATHETIC, DESPERATE CONDITION THAT NIGHT.
AND I CONFESSED I RESPECTED HIS SUPERSTITION BY ABSTAINING FROM THIS FORUM.
AND BECAUSE I WAS FEELING SAD AND PUZZLED THAT HE KEPT KEEPING FORGETTING OUR GOOD TIMES AND STUCK TO SOME "JINXY" MOMENTS.

2) Well, guys, don't I have the right to feel sad and desperate too now and then?
Miltos is sending me to hell because he THINKS I hate him.
He thinks that I think he is an ungrateful person.
WRONG! I just think he is a superstitious guy to an absurd extent.
HE IS NOT UNGRATEFUL... HE IS NOT BAD.... HE JUST SEES ONLY THE DARK SIDE OF THINGS EVEN WHEN THERE IS NO SUCH SIDE.

3) Some examples:
We had just returned from a huge strike (a gypsie guy) together and the next day I listed a cheap title he had just listed too. I just didn't notice. And he sent me a hysterical email telling me I was so wrong and he had bought all the films for nothing and he would rather throw them off a cliff etc.
He was NOT ungrateful. He was just PESSIMISTIC.
I told him I was sorry and he would better stick to the bright side... the tons of tapes we had bought... but he was INCONSOLABLE.

At Xmas time he became hopeless again when he saw that one of his buyers (who used to buy from him ONLY) started buying from me too.
Again, he was certain it was the end of the world for him.
He said he should just quit ebay. I told him to relax and stick to the fact that the following day we were going for a big video strike again. NOTHING.
He said it was useless because anyway I would just get 8 times the money he would get from that batch!
Ungrateful?? No,,, JUST PESSIMISTIC!

4) And now Miltos is certain that I "INCREDIBLY DETEST" him and is also wondering WHY I was so good to him all these weeks (after the post) and why did we go for so many strikes the past 50 days etc.

Well, he's got the equation the wrong way.
It's as if I give him the equation: 2x ?=6 and he just puts 100 for ? and just wonders why 2x100=6.
He insists that 2x100 is not 6 and that something's wrong with 6.
But the equation is what it is, the result is granted, so the correct thing is 2x3=6.
But Miltos ignores that 3 and insists that 6 is wrong.

Similarly: Bill+?=Friendship.
BUT he insists that ? stands for "bad feelings" and crosses Friendship out!
But the equation solution is, again, simple:
Bill+GOOD feelings= Friendship.

5) He also believes a maniac's words who told him I slander him etc.
I had spoken with that maniac on the phone 1 or 2 times and I hated him, so why would I slander Miltos?
I guess we may have done some innocent, funny "collectors" gossip with lines like:
"I got more vidz than him!"
"He got that one from ME"
Now, is that slandering or ill-talking?

6) I had already forgotten about that post so where are the hard feeling etc?

7) I HATE UNGRATEFUL PEOPLE! If I'm convinced someone is ungrateful to me I just cross him out.
So, if that was the case I would have crossed Miltos out years ago.

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JACK CASE
Jack, you keep talking about attacks, dark places, "not man enough" and other unflattering stuff.

Buddy, so my blog is a dark place?
I THOUGHT you had hurt me in public so I expressed my grief in public too.
Now, I have realised I was just wrong!

You foreigners are not like us. You're just frank and sincere with everybody, every time.
That guy thought my prices had not changed.
You just said he might be right... why?
Because you just didn't remember my old ones.
You were not supposed to.
You just buy from me on ebay.
When you found out about it you just said my prices had dropped INDEED.

Well, buddy, I was just a hysterical person.
I've been through so much the past months.

I don't forgive you because there's nothing to forgive.
You did nothing wrong.
I was the wrong one.
Like you said, I'm too sensitive and sometimes think everybody is out to get me!

Miltos tends to think like that too now.

I had already forgotten about that post, by the way.
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AYMAN CASE

When he tried to beat me on an ebay auction by offering the same film I just THOUGHT he did it on purpose, in order to tempt my bidders to dump me and buy HIS tape.

He knew this could happen and that's why he did it.

He even declared here that "it's a free enterprise" and "I list what I want whenever I want".

Later he told me he thought my auction had ended BEFORE he listed his.

I'm ready to forget everything if he just says some honest words like "Bill sorry!
Something came over me. I needed some big cash, I had some urgencies... I just defended myself in an awkward way here. It was just a weak moment"

Everyone has his weak moments.
But our weakest moment comes when we don't apologise for those weak moments.

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I would suggest anybody who feels like expressing an opinion should step in and do so. They might be helpful.

Sincerely

Bill


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Kenneth M
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I applaud you're stepping in and apologizing. :)

You've been through the shitstorm of a lifetime.

I hope everyone can understand.

Certainly I can. ;)
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ChevyReeves
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I feel kind of hesitant to post especially as Im so new to the forum but would just like to say something....

Sometimes when things are not going so well or as you planned its easy to snap at those around you especially those who are friends and the most smallest of issues can feel huge.

Ive read the Onar blog and am going through similar in my own business and can tell you some (well most!!) days I dont even feel like waking up, im constantly doubting what im doing & I go through mood swings of feeling great to utterly fed up in seconds!!!

Anyway enough of my shit!! Hope you guys sort it out and it takes a good person to admit he is wrong and apologise.

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Jared
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Well, I go away for awhile and everything goes to pot. This is very depressing to read as I'm sure it is for everyone here. I desperately hope that all these things can be put behind and the friendships and working relationships can be repaired. I want to hear about a Bill-Miltos-Jack-Ayman massive group hug before the week is out. You guys are the heart of Cinehound, the axis around which the rest of us revolve, so please bury the hatchet and let's get back to the business of weirdmovieloving.
Oh, and if you were ever wondering, Bill, though I didn't get CELLAT directly from you I did get it through Xploited here in the states. And I thought it was pure genius!
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Jack J
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Dear Bill,

The Internet is a wonderful thing. It's easy to become familiar with people in far-away placed even if we have never met them. And because it's so quick, and because we all speak this international language, English, we often get the idea that the people at the other end are like ourselves.

But of course we don't see different cultures, different traditions, different mentalities. And we obviously don't see their background or what they've just gone thru. And unfortunately in my "case" this is probably partly the cause for all this. I spoke to someone on a forum without any bad intentions but as you said we "foreigners" may be more direct. Or whatever. In any case, I see it's probably both all a big misunderstanding that was caused by differences in how we speak English (due to different cultures/mentalities) and your having been thru some tough family stuff.

Thank you for posting this, Bill. Sorry for making you think I didn't trust you. That was never what I meant and you know that now. Obviously, I can't speak for the other members mentioned here but I think you're a swell guy and I think we should just let all this stuff behind us now. Viva la Onar. Viva mr. Barounis.


All the best
Jack
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Jared
Feb 6 2009, 09:33 PM
Well, I go away for awhile and everything goes to pot. This is very depressing to read as I'm sure it is for everyone here. I desperately hope that all these things can be put behind and the friendships and working relationships can be repaired. I want to hear about a Bill-Miltos-Jack-Ayman massive group hug before the week is out. You guys are the heart of Cinehound, the axis around which the rest of us revolve, so please bury the hatchet and let's get back to the business of weirdmovieloving.
Oh, and if you were ever wondering, Bill, though I didn't get CELLAT directly from you I did get it through Xploited here in the states. And I thought it was pure genius!

THANKS, MATE!! Good to see you again, Jared. Hope whatever kept you away is sorted out. Hope we'll see a bit more of you again. B) I tried to relaunch my blog as "worldweird the fake copy blog" but people looked thru my fake attempt I think! :lol: :lol:
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Jared
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Nah, your blog is way better than mine ever was. But thanks for keeping the flame alive. Any chance, Jack, that I could get you to makes copies of some of the Filipino stuff you have for me? (The ZUMA sequel first and foremost.) It might be just what it takes to get me back into the swing of things again.
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Jack J
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Ahh :D Grazie.

Sure, you'd probably like GHOST OF GUTS EATER as well, eh? B)

But maybe we should keep the rest of this thread on topic.

PM.
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ONARFILMS
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Hey Jack!
It's absolutely fantastic to see you accepting my explanations and apologies!
THANK YOU!

And, Jared, buddy welcome back!
I didn't send you Cellat because you never asked for it and because you had just vanished into thin air.

Ok, now, Jack is back... let's see whatever happens with Miltos and Ayman.
I guess some people here just NEED Ayman's assistance on my dvd's.

Jared said something about a group hug before the end of the weekend...

Well, tomorrow morning I'll take a short trip out of town to relax a bit and Sunday night I want to believe that there will have been some progress.

It sure takes some time to change from "I bury a friendship" back to "Bill, buddy, how's things?"
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Aymanoglu
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I wasn't really interested in replying to all this, but I feel I must make a few comments now:

1) I guess some people here just NEED Ayman's assistance on my dvd's

No, not really. People buy a DVD for the movie. In fact, I'm not even a big fan of my last writings for CELLAT as I was too busy and everything had to be rushed. And it's probably a good idea to find someone else, since you've announced it at your blog. Be a man and stick to your word.

2) I'm ready to forget everything if he just says some honest words like "Bill sorry!
Something came over me. I needed some big cash, I had some urgencies... I just defended myself in an awkward way here. It was just a weak moment"


Now, I'm charged with apologising? But on the 8th January you sent me this e-mail:

Let's put an end to this "clash".
No point in discussing about it anymore.
I also see your listing tends to be a great sell. Congrats!
I'm keeping my fingers crossed my 2 crazy bidders don't find out about
yours as they'll sure cancel their bids on mine.
Anyway, I'll be courtious enough to offer the winner MY personal MINT
print and NOT the so-so ebay copy.


Just when things were sweet again then on the 22nd January, you write that shameful comment on your blog. And now you keep saying something must've come over me - but I think maybe something keeps coming over YOU?






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