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| GRAVE OF THE VAMPIRE Japan VHS; A DVD-R transfer? | |
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| Stephen Gladwin | Sep 10 2009, 01:49 AM Post #11 |
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FELLAS! Sheesh, I go and take a nap and look what happens! I've purposely been avoiding jumping in on the "Joe Vs. Eddie" show, but now that you guys seem to have made peace and this thread does somewhat involve me, I'll put in my thoughts. A large part of why I love cinehound so much is we all have something different to bring to the forum. The most obvious is all the nationalities and the different foreign perspectives. But another is not just our varying levels of experience in the field of rare cinema, but our different disciplines or angles we come at the subject. For example, some of us are hardcore collectors of original pieces. I think Joe and Miltos nicely characterize this angle. They are also, of course, great fans of the films. I don't say "Fan" lightly by the way. It's astonishing how easily that word is thrown around. Too many people like these films for the WRONG reasons and just watch them to be trendy or to satiate some passing, superficial curiosity. To really go the distance and to collect and to research the films and all their variants (as Joe does, for example) shows obvious passion and dedication. Most people aren't passionate about anything, by the way. And another discipline is the film critic/historians/commentators on the board. I'd like to include myself in that group, as well as Jared. I like writing about these films and sharing my perspective and my research on rare films like, say, BOXER'S OMEN, to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to read ANYTHING on these rare, mysterious films. And finally there are the trailblazing vendors of rare films like Bill Knight and the newest generation, Pete Tombs. We all know how important they are. *As fun as all of the above disciplines/roles are, there is definitely danger therein. For as long as I've been into these films (or anything passionately, for that matter) I've been careful to avoid letting it DEFINE ME and control my self-esteem too much. That way you get some much-needed perspective on yourself and your passions and don't take it so personally when someone you don't even know attacks you on a message board. Trust me. I've seen many a flame war on many a message board over similar stuff ("You don't know SHIT about Argento!" "I know you're just a bootlegger and taking money from real DVD companies!" "Don't even SAY that that is UNCUT you FUCKING LIAR!") and even participated when I first started. But the bottom line is time will weed out the "posers" from the real fans, not flame wars. I mean, is it any surprise Bill Knight is one of the only last rare video dealers left 20 years later? It's because he offered (and still does offer) something unique and he is a peerless businessman, so customers keep coming back. And I'd like to think the long-time collectors/fans/authors like myself and other cinehounds are still around, watching/writing about/collecting these films because WE have something special to offer, Eddie and Joe included. I admire Eddie's transparency. I like how he admitted he wasn't perfect and that he was learning about rare films every day and that's why he joined the forum. Most punks would just keep an asshole pose and let the flame war continue until the moderator stepped in and deleted the thread. I'm also glad Joe accepted his truce, which shows he is the stand-up guy I knew he was. And let's not forget that none other than Bill Knight himself keeps learning about these rare films and finding better versions too! If you look at his old catalog entries, he'll state a certain version (like the Japanese BLOOD AND LACE) was UNCUT, but then later (sometimes years later) have to revise his knowledge when he finds a MORE COMPLETE print, like the one he offers now. Even Bill has things to learn. And isn't that great? I think the thrill would end once we knew everything about any subject. That's what I like so much about rare film -- the challenge. *And now it's time for me to put my money where my mouth is and admit I DIDN'T KNOW THE JAPANESE GRAVE OF THE VAMPIRE WAS CUT! Does anyone know what is the most complete version available? Thanks. |
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| sleazeman2001 | Sep 10 2009, 09:26 PM Post #12 |
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Hi Stephen, thanks for really putting it ALL in perspective, Yeah, I def. am a stubborn ole irishman for sure, and truthfully can say Joe and I have had our moment's here, but I think we made peace last night and that's enough for me. I really thought the japan release was uncut as well, so like I said last night, I'm learning EVERY day about diff., titles, label's, print's of film's,etc. Again, glad you added your insight on this and I'm sure Joe will agree as well, anyway, let's find a uncut print of Grave of the Vampire, I would love to see it!:) |
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| Cteve | Sep 24 2009, 11:46 PM Post #13 |
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Seems like (according to IMDB) the German VHS was uncut... But then again, this is from IMDB, so. |
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