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fake vs real
Topic Started: Jun 10 2013, 08:13 PM (1,773 Views)
Joos
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since this interesting sales thread this afternoon (sorry for bringing it up again), i was wondering were I draw the line...

Being no rookie I saw my part of fake and real nastiness. Fake to enjoy and scare. Real stuff just out of curiousity and to see if I still can be shocked by it...
To be honest I get a lil numb after all these years of horror, but I still dislike real footage, and when watching stuff like faces or traces (2 tapes are laying beside me right now :unsure: ) I always try to find the second or third angle just to feel like "okay it's staged"

People who cheer and jolt by the sight of an actual human being being tortured or killed are just unhuman, and should be jailed at least... Unfortunatly we still get to see things like this through the internet...(Anyone saw the "great belgian-Syrian fighters" last week? Truly sick to hear them cheer before a beheading and I definetly skipped the beheading-part itself)

Cinehound is a nice forum where there are very little boundaries. one of those few rules are that big fights or racist/discriminating insults don't belong here...
why? because they hurt people...

and why would we promote or tolerate "real snuff" (if I din't mistake those things taraz was offering where not just found footage but some kind of pro-chechen war-propaganda of the ultra-nasty and objectifying kind...) Were they killed on purpose only for the video, or was the video's of it just a "nice" side-effect of the killings, handy for commercials and propaganda?
I don't know or want to know.
The thing is: people were hurt and killed and I don't tolerate that!

Indeed, you can find this things on the internet, okay, but at least people can't make a profit from it (I hope)... only coroners and morticians are allowed to make profit on people's death, on a serene way...

calling us poor people or paupers just because we want to dissociate our nice community from the profit of other people's dead is just an example of how those people just objectify humans...
and I really ask myself how far that Taraz guy was during the actual filming...

at least he's far away now...

Real stuff crossing my way will always awaken my sick curiosity (like a dead animal on the side of the street, it's nasty but I always want to look) but when people are hurt I definetly draw the line... when they sell it, they promote it and agree with actual real pain and murder...
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What's the question Joos?

Deffo not my kind of thing, I actually like the cheesy fakeness of 60s and 70s euro trash!
Not into real stuff or even newer stuff like Bunny Game...
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I guess it's a fine line that one has to decide for oneself. But it's definitely a no-no on Cinehound if you ask me. I decided to remove that sales post without consulting Miltos because that's how I feel about that stuff. It doesn't belong here. Just like pornos with little children don't belong here.

Do old Mondo movies like FACES OF DEATH belong here? I guess they're considered exploitation documentaries and not on the same level as the war videos. But personally I don't even want to watch the Mondo films.

Can you still find all that nasty stuff online and/or via providers in (not least) countries in the old former Soviet Union? Yes, absolutely. But like I said in that thread, just because it's out there doesn't mean you have to bring it into your own home.
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I still think the guy actually got more attention than he deserved...
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I agree with Mike on this issue. I actually thought the ones getting the Japanese Guine Pig series were a bit wacko. Too real for my taste and with no plot. It were like the SOV porn without a plot but with gore instead. I like plot and acting in both porn and horror movies. To me the gore movies up to mid 80's are ok but after that the films that focus on gore are quite uninteressting really.
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gialloboy
Jun 10 2013, 09:59 PM
I still think the guy actually got more attention than he deserved...

We haven't had people get up from their chairs and participate in a debate like this for a long time. :lol:
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Jun 10 2013, 08:49 PM
Do old Mondo movies like FACES OF DEATH belong here?

Are Faces of Death considered Mondo?

I think mondo movies can be very interesting. Those who focus on strange pracises aroung the globe. Mondos Cane, Mondo Magic, etc. Not Faces or Traces of death. The frist Faces of Death is a classic and quite entertaining though. Who can forget Dr. Francis B. Gröss?
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Jun 10 2013, 09:59 PM
I agree with Mike on this issue. I actually thought the ones getting the Japanese Guine Pig series were a bit wacko. Too real for my taste and with no plot. It were like the SOV porn without a plot but with gore instead. I like plot and acting in both porn and horror movies. To me the gore movies up to mid 80's are ok but after that the films that focus on gore are quite uninteressting really.


But you're talking about ordinary (i.e. fake gore) horror/gore films here. I have no problem with the extremest fictional gore films from a ethical standpoint.
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Jun 10 2013, 10:05 PM
Are Faces of Death considered Mondo?


I don't know. I thought they were (I haven't watched them). :rolleyes:
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Jun 10 2013, 09:07 PM
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Jun 10 2013, 09:59 PM
I agree with Mike on this issue. I actually thought the ones getting the Japanese Guine Pig series were a bit wacko. Too real for my taste and with no plot. It were like the SOV porn without a plot but with gore instead. I like plot and acting in both porn and horror movies. To me the gore movies up to mid 80's are ok but after that the films that focus on gore are quite uninteressting really.


But you're talking about ordinary (i.e. fake gore) horror/gore films here. I have no problem with the extremest fictional gore films from a ethical standpoint.

Yes. I only express my opinion. I still think it's kind of uncanny when people watch the Guinea Pig series like it were some sort of porn. I know it's fake so I do not moralise about it but I imagine that the step is not far off when you watch those kind of movies to actually watch the war attrocity films and stuff like that. I guess it has to do with pressing ones own boundaries and dare one self to see if one dares to look.

There were one guy at pre-cert who explained why he looked at all those clips on those real gore sites. Interesting that he considered himself quite normal despite this.
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