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| Topic Started: Jul 30 2008, 12:24 AM (2,894 Views) | |
| benno | Apr 15 2009, 12:04 AM Post #91 |
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How about this concept for a futuristic science fiction take on a descendant phantom? |
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| Paul Andreas | Apr 15 2009, 02:24 AM Post #92 |
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Nice job Pugg. You managed to make dog poop look a lot more appealing. I bet the reason they removed your post is because it makes them embarassed that they didn't do it this way.
Well... If the 1st Phantom wears a costume with any similarity to the one they designed, I swear I'll turn off the TV and never bother to watch the show again. Benno, I'd too prefer something like the Phantom 2040 costume, or the one from the Marvel miniseries. Edited by Paul Andreas, Apr 15 2009, 02:26 AM.
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| puggdogg | Apr 15 2009, 10:53 AM Post #93 |
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Well they took it down again. |
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| peas_and_corn | Apr 17 2009, 06:08 PM Post #94 |
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...I cannot begin to express just how awful it looks. Also- female Guran? |
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| Karl MAN | Apr 18 2009, 01:12 AM Post #95 |
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I am annoyed about that too; last time, Guran was a weedy Asian boy, now it is a "weedy" girl! I have heard about feminism, but why did they remove the "fat" (I do not know any better descriptive word, sorry Guran if you read this) chief of the Bandars, who does not care a thing of present day body ideals? A short fat Guran would sort of show up other peoples in the show who are kind of the opposite of the Phantom by means of body building. |
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| Andreas | Apr 18 2009, 04:47 AM Post #96 |
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I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be a version of "our" Guran, as it is set somewhat in the future and does not focus on the 21st Phantom. Most likely, the SyFy people think that Guran is the name of all Bandar leaders (kind of like how the Phantom's mentor in Phantom2040 also was named Guran - but he was not a pygmy, but a giant!)
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| Paul Andreas | Apr 18 2009, 06:17 PM Post #97 |
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I'd prefer if they just named her Turan or something, similiar to the way Egmont always changes the first letter in the name of the Bandar chief: Suran, Buran, Duran Duran (not really), etc. It might be kind of corny but it works. But Guran's "sex change" doesn't really bother me after seeing THAT costume, which stole most of my irritation by its sheer awfulness. |
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| Karl MAN | Apr 20 2009, 11:11 PM Post #98 |
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Falk himself have done such things; there was a Bandar named Turan in "The First Phantom", and I think that he also called the Bandar who brought the news of the dying 2nd Phantom to the 3rd Phantom for Duran (I do not think that it is a Egmont creation), there might be other cases also. However, Guran, and all the other -uran-names, are male names, as far as I get it. It does not seem like we are going to have pygmy Bandars either. |
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| Paul Andreas | May 2 2009, 11:26 PM Post #99 |
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Thanks for posting this, I had forgotten all about that (Falk wrote too few historical adventures and it's been ages since I read any of them). I certainly don't expect pygmies in the show. We might not even get natives for all we know. They might have updated the Bandars to a bunch of Mawitaan "gangstas", nothing would surprise me at this point. |
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| JD | May 3 2009, 08:17 AM Post #100 |
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Why not call her "Susan"? At least it kind of sounds similar... 
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| Paul Andreas | May 3 2009, 04:50 PM Post #101 |
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That does sound a little too normal in my eyes. 
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| puggdogg | May 4 2009, 01:35 AM Post #102 |
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Suran? |
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| JD | May 4 2009, 05:51 PM Post #103 |
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You eye's can hear things, Paul? |
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| Paul Andreas | May 4 2009, 08:30 PM Post #104 |
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Yes, it's a strange power I was born with. Don't tell anyone, or the government might use me for awful secret experiments. |
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| Karl MAN | May 5 2009, 04:04 AM Post #105 |
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Concerning the update that was posted, I found this in the article:Well, at least they have gotten something of the Phantom character, unlike their original talk about "he kills people"-thing. I don't have much hope anyway (nor any ordinary access to a TV), so I probably won't see it. |
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| Paul Andreas | May 5 2009, 05:32 AM Post #106 |
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Yeah, as long as it doesn't resemble the Phantom in anyway, I might avoid it too. I never thought I would, but I have absolutely no desire to watch this series right now. Seeing that picture of Ryan Carnes on the CC front page also hammers down the fact that he is laughably miscast, despite what I might have said earlier when I still tried to remain optimistic. He might be a talented actor for all I know, but I don't think he could scare me even if his name was Leatherface Krueger Vorhees and he ran after me with a chainsaw. The Phantom needs to be able to make villains wet themselves in fright. I agree it is good they ditched the "killing machine" aspect, but the bad things outweigh the good so far. I think I'd rather have him accidentally shoot a guy or something rather than having him wandering around in that hideous high tech suit. Edited by Paul Andreas, May 5 2009, 05:50 AM.
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| Fabio_Walker | May 5 2009, 11:16 AM Post #107 |
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I`m worried with this new adaptation of THE PHANTOM. I also didn`t approve his new suit and I expect for him to use another one, more like in the one used in the comics. RYAN CARNES might be a great actor, but I just don`t see him as KIT WALKER (He`s too short, looks pretty young and has blonde hair). Perhaps, in the future, I may change my mind... If I could choose the cast, I`d choose VICTOR WEBSTER because he looks like BILLY ZANE. Actually, they could act together like father and son! TOM WELLING, JUSTIN HARTLEY and WES BROWN also could be great as THE PHANTOM. |
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| JD | May 5 2009, 07:41 PM Post #108 |
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Welcome to the forums, Fabio. |
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| Karl MAN | May 5 2009, 11:56 PM Post #109 |
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Of the things that you mention, only the hight is the really worrying thing for me, as he is supposed to be the 22nd Phantom or something, there has definitely been blond Phantoms before (the 1st for one) and many of them has at least in Team Fantomen lore (but I think that it is implied in many of the Falk stories), been in their teens when they took over. The poor guy seems to be around as tall as I, while I have always imagined myself the Phantom as at least 10 cm taller. Lee Falk has explicitly stated that the Phantom is quite tall, he even made a story, "The Fourth Son" in which this was explicitly stated by saying that every Phantom has been tall with the exception of the 9th. 1.75 is in my country slightly below the average height of men. |
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| Fabio_Walker | May 6 2009, 02:47 AM Post #110 |
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Thanks, JD! I hope to discuss a lot about this amazing character with the other members. KARL, as I`ve said before, I just don`t see RYAN as THE PHANTOM, but I`ll give him a chance. |
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| Paul Andreas | May 6 2009, 02:54 AM Post #111 |
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Welcome to the forum!  I Googled all the choices you mention, Tom Welling aside (he's the only one I knew from before, and he has the looks of the Phantom). They would all look good for the role, much better than Carnes. Like you mention, he's too short as well, but that would not be a big deal for me if his face somewhat resembled the character's, which it doesn't. He'd be more suited to play Rex or Kit Jr. Another choice would be Alexander Skarsgård, from the series Generation Kill. He's Swedish, so he might even know the character. He'd probably be a good choice for Legacy. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002907/
Billy Zane is not that tall, but he looked perfect for the part, and was muscular enough. So could Sam Worthington, who is shorter than Zane (thanks again, IMDb). Carnes is buff, judging from the pictures I've seen of him (he seems awfully fond of taking his shirt of in front of photographers ), but he still looks too, I don't know, skinny, slight, tiny, for the role. Then again, he has an "awesome" high tech suit that can probably do the entire job of crimefighting for him.
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| Paul Andreas | May 20 2009, 02:34 AM Post #112 |
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http://muse.ca/4105/fiche.asp?id=177 First look at Carnes (or a stuntman) in costume, though it's a very poor, unclear image. My initial reaction is that he looks much too slight to be a convincing Phantom, but we already knew that I guess. Gotta love the synopsis: "Law student and parkour runner ('traceur') Chris Moore is shocked to learn that he was adopted and that he is actually the son of The Phantom, a caped crime-fighter. He joins the Phantom team in the jungles of Bengalla to be expertly trained in martial arts and combat, and emerges as the next Phantom to battle the assassins of the evil Singh Brotherhood." Using the name Moore is possibly the best thing they've done on this show so far. |
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| peas_and_corn | May 20 2009, 11:42 AM Post #113 |
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| Paul Andreas | May 20 2009, 06:10 PM Post #114 |
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The writers thinks the Phantom lives on a place called Skull Island, what did you expect? Sigh. (I'd not be surprised if they actually added a cape to the costume, just to steal even more from The Dark Knight) |
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| JD | May 20 2009, 10:34 PM Post #115 |
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The more I read about this the worse is sounds. 
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| Karl MAN | May 22 2009, 01:23 AM Post #116 |
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I certainly agree on the Moore thing. I did not know what was meant with parkour running so I checked wikipedia, a short glimpse at the article has at least given the project one plus point; the guy have some useful skill already before his training begins! Though that will probably not save the project. |
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| Paul Andreas | May 22 2009, 04:38 AM Post #117 |
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Parkour was also used in Casino Royale, at the early scenes at Madagascar, where 007 chases an enemy for about ten minutes. It could be cool to see something like that with the Phantom, in the Bengallan jungle, but it's not exactly original these days, many films seems to have copied it after CR. And yes, it's cool Chris has some skills before he becomes the Phantom. However, I suspect we can look forward to several cool or boring training sequences in the Skull Cave and jungle, where the female Guran teaches him "Phantom stuff". It's a shame really. If the costume looked more like the real Phantom and another actor was cast in the title role, I would have breathlessly anticipated this project, regardless of the plot. |
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| Xander | May 22 2009, 02:32 PM Post #118 |
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I am still going to withhold judgment on the project until i at least see on episode of TV film or whatever. Although the costume and numerous error in story line is making that hard to do. As for a blond phantom i don't have a problem with that seeing as it isn't a representation of the current (21st phantom) but rather a future one. Because realistically its impossible for all 22 or 23 generations of Phantom to look the same (as they do in many Egmont comics) Anyway it still could be a great action/adventure tv show but its looking less and less like its going to be a good phantom show. |
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| Karl MAN | May 23 2009, 02:09 AM Post #119 |
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Agreed, and then it is as official as it can be that the 1st Phantom was blond, so why not some of his descents? |
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| Paul Andreas | May 24 2009, 05:51 PM Post #120 |
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And off course, Kit Jr. is blond too in Egmont and Falk stories.
Sure, but that still doesn't excuse casting such a wimp in the lead role, in my eyes. He looks like he came straight out of grade school. I can honestly say I look fifty times more like the Phantom than Ryan Carnes. I don't have a problem with the screen Phantoms not looking much like each other, like you say it's almost impossible, but they could at least have made an effort to give the role to a guy who looks like he could actually take on a bad guy or two. I have an interview with Lee Falk where he says that the actor who should play the Phantom (this was before the Zane film) needs to be big, needs to look like he could take on six guys at once. I agree with this, and Carnes looks like he could barely beat up a cat. Edited by Paul Andreas, May 24 2009, 05:53 PM.
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| Karl MAN | May 26 2009, 02:54 AM Post #121 |
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Considering the age, in the Team Fantomen lore, some of the Phantoms were only 16 years old when then swore the oath, so if he looks young, it is not so bad in my opinion, but he ought to be reasonably big so that he could scare the the bad guys though, just as Falk said. There are no direct contradiction with being scary at the age of 16, if it is in the middle of the night and he is big and reasonably tough-looking. |
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| Paul Andreas | May 26 2009, 06:31 AM Post #122 |
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Agreed. The 6th Phantom was as far as I remember the one who took over when he was 16, but Barry still drew him as a big, menacing guy. I've always been tall myself, and when I was 16 I think I was around 194 cm. I could probably defeat the SyFy Phantom by simply sitting on him (kidding, off course, but you get the point). I can certainly not imagine anybody being very scared of a man that small in build, particularly not the "trained assassins" that the Knaufs mention. |
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| Fabio_Walker | May 31 2009, 08:15 AM Post #123 |
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Thanks for posting the link with the image of the new PHANTOM in action, PAUL. I`m a little concerned with the new movie, because the producers choose to keep this new costume and plot, but I`m gonna see it anyway. Although, as I`ve said before, I would prefer to see something closer to the comics... |
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| Paul Andreas | Jun 2 2009, 02:41 AM Post #124 |
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You're welcome, mate, I hope they release a better photo soon. I have a tiny hope the final costume might look different than the ones we saw in the designs a few months ago. I will surely end up watching the miniseries (I love the character too much to not give it a shot), but if I don't like it, I might not bother checking out the potential regular series (though I'll quickly change my mind if it gets good response from fellow fans). I don't think we'll see anything closer to the comic before another TV channel buys the rights (this is SCI FI channel after all, and the Phantom is hardly a very Sci Fi-ish hero). Though it would be nice if they had a flashback to an earlier Phantom fans could actually recognize as a nod to the people who have made the character last so long. Edited by Paul Andreas, Jun 2 2009, 02:42 AM.
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| puggdogg | Jun 2 2009, 10:44 PM Post #125 |
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Wait what link? I must be blind 'cos I don't see one. There's a photo? |
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| Paul Andreas | Jun 2 2009, 11:57 PM Post #126 |
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Here it is (again  ):http://muse.ca/4105/fiche.asp?id=177 |
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| puggdogg | Jun 3 2009, 12:35 AM Post #127 |
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 Thanks for the link. So Odette Gadoury is to blame for the costume design. At least they added something that resembles the Phantom again. They either had this design already locked in or they took all the negative feedback seriously. Length: 2 x 2 hours Location: Filmed in Montreal, NYC & Costa Rica Starring: Ryan Carnes Sandrine Holt Jean Marchand Cameron Goodman Isabella Rossillini Director(s): Paolo Barzman Executive Producer: Michael Prupas Robert Halmi Sr. Robert Halmi Jr. Producer(s): Irene Litinsky Cinematographer: Pierre Jodoin Casting: Lucie Robitaille Production Designer: Zoe Sakellaropoulo Writers: Dan Knauf Charles Knauf Editor: Arthur Tarnowski Costume Designer: Odette Gadoury Production Companies: Muse Entertainment Shooting Dates: Spring 2009 International Distributor: RHI Costa Rica hey? Probably for the bengalla scenes maybe. If Bengalla is actually in it.
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| puggdogg | Jun 4 2009, 10:09 PM Post #128 |
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Purple suite, real stunts, some possible jungle locations and a return of the basic mask and cowl. SyFy have definitely displayed some improvements after the release of the concept art. |
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| Paul Andreas | Jun 4 2009, 11:54 PM Post #129 |
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Agreed, but they've still got a guy who looks like he belongs in The Goonies in the title role. It's hard to see if they really have changed the hood that much. To me it doesn't look that much like the one in the comic. |
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| Paul Andreas | Jun 17 2009, 03:53 AM Post #130 |
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http://muse.ca/4105/fiche.asp?id=177 First real pick of Carnes as Chris Walker/Moore/Whatever. He actually looks pretty "Phantom-y", maybe he can pull this off after all. |
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| puggdogg | Jun 17 2009, 10:18 AM Post #131 |
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Hmm. The pic hasn't really convinced me of anything yet. But at least he's using a gun. |
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| germ | Jun 17 2009, 10:35 AM Post #132 |
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>>he is actually the son of The Phantom, a caped crime-fighter. caped crime fighter?? |
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| puggdogg | Jun 17 2009, 11:46 AM Post #133 |
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That's what I thought too. Maybe they're just saying that as in terms of being a super-hero and not technically wearing a cape. |
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| Vivek | Jun 17 2009, 01:39 PM Post #134 |
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So far have they mentioned any details as to which Phantom is he supposed to play? Do you guys think he could be the 23rd Phantom, Kit and Diana's grandson? One way I wouldn't really mind accepting the character (Chris Moore) as Phantom is if he is indeed supposed to be a very distant future version of Phantom. (Though I understand it is set in current time) |
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| puggdogg | Jun 17 2009, 02:52 PM Post #135 |
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Didn't they say he was the 22nd? Because that would be stupid. It'd be far more acceptable if he was the 23rd. |
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| Paul Andreas | Jun 17 2009, 06:15 PM Post #136 |
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They've said he was the 22nd, but hopefully they'll change that to 23rd or something. As for "caped crime fighter", it just shows how desperate SyFy seems for a Dark Knight-clone. I'll be happy to be proven wrong on this too, but the ridicilous costume designs makes it look like they've seen the recent Batman film way too many times. |
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| Paul Andreas | Jul 10 2009, 06:55 PM Post #137 |
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After watching a particularly brilliant episode of Battlestar Galactica yesterday (I sadly only have eight episodes left now), it struck me why nobody ever asked Mark Verheiden to be a part of the SyFy Phantom show. He has written some of the best Phantom stories ever (in my humble opinion), and produced BSG for Sci Fi Channel, so you'd think he'd be a logical choice to write for this series as well. Mike Bullock and Ben Raab should also apply to become regular writers for the regular TV-series that will be made if the miniseries is a success. Then the birds would sing, the sun would shine, and everybody would be peaceful and happy in this world. |
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| Paul Andreas | Jul 30 2009, 12:30 AM Post #138 |
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I just updated the site with a Skull Cave photo. It sadly looks even less awe-inspiring than the one from the old Tom Tyler serial. Then again, the budget is probably not very high, and it's not like I am prepared to be blown away by anything in this series after so many dissapointments this far. I tried to add a "Discuss here" link to the post, but I was unable to link to this thread due to the fact that the thread adress is on my computer simply "www.chroniclechamber.com". Sorry. |
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| Vivek | Jul 30 2009, 09:43 AM Post #139 |
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Chances are there will be little CG background added to make it more mystical and appealing. Still can't really say whether that would make any real difference. |
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| puggdogg | Jul 30 2009, 10:40 AM Post #140 |
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What the hell? How are people going to take the Phantom seriously. It looks like a monkey going WHOOP WHOOP WHOOOOOOOOOOP!
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| JD | Aug 3 2009, 05:26 PM Post #141 |
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Whow, that is HORRID! I'm really not looking forward ot this thing... |
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| Paul Andreas | Aug 4 2009, 05:25 AM Post #142 |
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That would cost money, which I can't help suspecting is something SyFy is not that keen on spending on anything that is not strictly necessary (in their eyes at least). Still, they're responsible for the greatest TV-show of all time (BSG), so how bad can this really be? I will have to check it out on DVD of curiosity and loyalty for the character, but I don't have anything resembling excitement left for this project. |
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| Paul Andreas | Aug 8 2009, 04:55 PM Post #143 |
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New photo, easily the most interesting so far: http://muse.ca/4105/fiche.asp?id=177 It looks like it was taken straight out of the Zane movie, which is kind of ironic given how SyFy are obviously desperate to distance themselves from that version. Carnes looks much better as Chris Walker than I expected, and you've got to love the "What the hell am I doing here?!" look on his face in this one. Though I hate stereotyping, these natives certainly doesn't look very African to me. Maybe Chris somehow finds himself washed ashore the same beach as the first Phantom did centuries ago. That would be kind of cool, and very similiar to the brilliant Hans Lindahl story "The 22nd Phantom". |
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| Paw Broon | Aug 10 2009, 07:14 AM Post #144 |
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I've managed to navigate my way to the costume photos. Am I missing something? 'cos that doesn't look like The Phantom. In fact it all seems a bit silly and while I'll watch anything purporting to be The Phantom (for a while, at least) I can't see where adherence to the legend and tradition is apparent here. Are KFS happy about this? Anyway, all you folk who thought the serial was bad might have to reconsider in light of this. The Phantom costume looks so good as is. It's typical of films and t.v. to play about and waste tried and proven subjects. It's as if executives have to justify their money by changing things and invoking the dreaded updating to make stuff relevant. |
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| puggdogg | Aug 10 2009, 02:56 PM Post #145 |
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Current SyFy Phantom photos. 
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| Paul Andreas | Aug 11 2009, 03:15 AM Post #146 |
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I don't know, but I am sure they are very happy about the money it will earn them. Quote: Anyway, all you folk who thought the serial was bad might have to reconsider in light of this. Hear, hear. Quote: The Phantom costume looks so good as is. It's typical of films and t.v. to play about and waste tried and proven subjects. It's as if executives have to justify their money by changing things and invoking the dreaded updating to make stuff relevant. There are so many ways to update the costume for the screen while still having it look like the Phantom. Hopefully, they managed to do just that (as seen by the photo Puggdogg kindly posted here, the initial designs were apparantly not what they ended up using). But I agree with you completely. |
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| Karl MAN | Aug 12 2009, 05:59 AM Post #147 |
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The exteriour of the Skull Cave is apparently made in a studio, this might not by definition mean that it would look unreal onscreen. The Abba movie "Mamma Mia!", is largely set at an hotel at a Greek island, however, the hotel exteriour was shot in a studio, while most of the scenes who was not at the hotel area were shot on location. Apparently, they also used a model of the hotel to shoot the place. Had it not been that this was stated in behind-the-scenes footage, I would still have thought that the hotel actually existed somewhere in Greece, so it is definitely possible to make such a place look like a real place. However, I must say that the cave look a little bit too small to me (the one in the 1996 movie looked a little bit too large, plus the fact that the floor was not flatat the entrance); int the comics, the entrance appear to be perhaps twice the height of the Phantom, while here it looks as if he will have to bow down to enter -- hardly a magnificent entrance for a visitor. |
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| Paul Andreas | Aug 13 2009, 05:18 AM Post #148 |
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Exactly. The cave should look spectacular and, um, mythic, something that would inspire awe in people who sees it for the first time. |
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| Paul Andreas | Aug 16 2009, 10:35 PM Post #149 |
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According to IMDb, actor Cas Anvar is playing the head of the Singh Brotherhood, Rhatib Singh. Never heard of him personally. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0031679/ One of the positive things SyFy has done so far is to avoid changing the Singh name into Sengh, which both the Paramount movie and the planned-but-scratched Hyde Park Entertainment movie did. |
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| Paul Andreas | Aug 29 2009, 05:57 PM Post #150 |
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After one of my female friends asked me if I knew "the hot gay guy from Desperate Housewives is playing the Phantom!" (I suppose that is like asking a World War II veteran if he has heard the name "Adolf Hitler"), I decided to check out some videos featuring Phantom-to-be Ryan Carnes. While he still is not how I envision a Walker to look, he does seem like a fine actor. Liked this funny video in particular: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwbu7MAr6-M&feature=channel_page It's from a show called Samantha Who?. Interestingly, Billy Zane had a recurring role in that one, playing Christina Applegate's boyfriend (or something like that, never saw it myself). The guy's voice sounds pretty perfect for the Phantom, if you ask me. Check out more videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/carnesfan Edited by Paul Andreas, Aug 29 2009, 05:58 PM.
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