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| Topic Started: Sep 29 2009, 11:19 PM (583 Views) | |
| Paul Andreas | Sep 29 2009, 11:19 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X74WvxfvyM4 The trailer is here. The costume looks better than expected, but still not "Phantom-y" enough. The hood should've been better. I'm sure it will work for me in the end, though. Carnes looks terrific in this series, I'm sure he's the right choice. Great trailer overally. 2010 can't come fast enough now! They have obviously spent some real money on this thing, which is obviously great. EDIT: Hope somebody else can post the video on the main site. I would have posted a link, but since I remember people posting entire videos there before (which I don't know how to do), I hope this can be done again! Edited by Paul Andreas, Sep 29 2009, 11:20 PM.
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| Vivek | Sep 29 2009, 11:38 PM Post #2 |
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Paul.. not sure how to embed videos on the front page, guess for now go ahead and post the link to the video on the main page. I wasn't very impressed with the trailer.. but it does look good.. let's hope his costume eventually gets a revamp. Liked his line at the end  . |
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| Paul Andreas | Sep 29 2009, 11:43 PM Post #3 |
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I could give it a try, but it looks better when people can watch the thing on the site... I know Pugg knows how to do this stuff. (You hear me, Mick?) I'm fine with the overall costume, it's just the hood that should be better. Still, it looks much better than the concept art we saw online. At least he has some kind fo mask (glasses?) now! |
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| Vivek | Sep 30 2009, 01:26 PM Post #4 |
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Just like Superman's costume colors are foreshadowed with Clark Kent's regular clothes in Smallville, it was a nice nod to the Phantom's costume color with Chris wearing the purple beanie/skull cap. Seen the trailer few dozen times now.. it's growing on me. The training parts will be fun to watch. The last 30 secs with the fast music and action shows promise. EDIT: http://latestphantomnews.blogspot.com/2009/09/syfys-phantom-trailer.html Updated the front page with the embedded video. Paul.. all youtube videos have the embed code on the right side of the video page, which can be copy/pasted on blogger and it will stream the video. |
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| Andreas | Sep 30 2009, 04:40 PM Post #5 |
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Interestingly, the "dummy" with the original costume may be the closest thing we've ever seen to the original Phantom costume on the screen... The new costume may look cool and hip now but it will be dated in just a few years, like any series who tries to be "futuristic". The original costume has by now proven that it works throughout the decades... it's just never been done properly on the screen. |
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| Paw Broon | Sep 30 2009, 06:48 PM Post #6 |
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Not sure about this. I was becoming interested despite initial reservations but this seems like so many other action shows. What the hell was wrong with the costume on the dummy? The actor playing The Phantom seems competent enough for this sort of violent stuff but he looks dafter in the new costume than I think he would in something like the original. Why can't these smart alec, concept guys in t.v. leave a great concept alone? |
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| JD | Sep 30 2009, 11:54 PM Post #7 |
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Thanks for adding the video, Vivek, I just tidied it up a little. At first I was kind of into the trailer. Having the hero not know about the legacy is a good way of introducing viewers who also don't know about it to the world of the Phantom. I also don't mind the violence at all. The guy fights crime, it's a violent business. Even Spider-Man is violent, I'm truly tired of the Phantom's world being shown in such a soft light. (And don't start with the "violence and grit = Batman and/or Punisher" because that's crap and I'll ignore you.) It does look as if the creators have paid attention to what the character is about and it sounded like they where giving the source material due respect. Even the action, although more aerobatic than I guess we are used to from our Ghost, if completely fine with me. Honestly, it's how I'd expect a jungle hero to move anyway. But that costume. It just looks soooooo bad. That visor or whatever? Jeez, man, what's wrong with a domino mask? Honestly, I think the costume will be the downfall of the series because you can't take it seriously. They should have used the one from the Marvel mini if they wanted something more modern. That looks like it should be in a bad R&B video.  
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| Paw Broon | Oct 1 2009, 04:40 AM Post #8 |
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I don't have a problem with some violence and I enjoy lots of action in comics and t.v.shows. With many modern films it's the gore and graphic violence I dislike. Though, in some cases, it's preferable to the crappy talking heads spouting their "meaningful" thoughts and "sincere" garbage that I see in many American shows. And in the knowledge that someone or a lot of you will correct me if I'm wrong, I would suggest that The Phantom and Batman, for that matter, are not known for deliberately killing bad guys. It's not part of their history. Doesn't stop them getting heavy. As for the very athletic moves of our hero in the trailer, I've been watching a lot of the old Green Hornet t.v.episodes and I was conscious of a, albeit faint, resemblance to the odd Kato (Bruce Lee) action scene. Forgive my possible ignorance, or perhaps I wasn't paying attention, but, I thought virtually no-one knew about the handing down of the costume etc. Isn't that the whole point of The Phantom? O.K. I'll go back and watch the trailer again. It occurred to me while writing this tome that comic book superheroes costumes hardly ever look good on screen if it's just the skin tight thing off the page. So nowadays film and t.v. have to change it or bulk it up, a la Batman cossy. Or the Flash one. I think i've just made a big hole in one of my earlier comments. Help, I'm getting confused. |
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| JD | Oct 1 2009, 12:25 PM Post #9 |
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That is a brilliant statement, and oh-so-ture and one many "phans" should pay attention to (not on this forum, but you all know who I mean). I agree that violence for violence sake can sometimes be torrid (unless it's the point of the movie, like Shoot 'Em Up, which is awesome). However it can also be a tool used to make points, show just how bad or evil a situation/character is. I mean, imagine LOTR without the hardcore battles, there'd be next to no weight to Frodo's quest. It's the same here. The Phantom goes up against some pretty evil and nasty characters and the violence can help show this. It is interesting what you say about costumes appearing on-screen. In Spider-Man and Batman the costumes are extremely close to their comic counterparts. Look at Iron Man, it's one hell of a costume to pull off and it was done superbly. Hell, the Spawn movie made that costume work and it's completelly outlandish. Then there are films like X-Men that change it completely but they still work. I think the main "problem", if indeed it can be called that, with the Phantom's costume is that it is so plain. It's basically three colours and no insignia. While that works wonderfully in a printed medium, for screen it needs to be more visual, which is why in 1996 film they added the tattoo (which I personally think are great). While I wouldn't have minded a kind of X-Men movie version of the costume, something like the Marvel mini meets Batman Begins, functional in a real word etc, I think this TV series has taken things waaay too far. It hardly resembled the original costume at all and just looks stupid. As for people knowing about the legacy, I'd say those people in the trailer are somehow connected to the Bandar or maybe the children of some like like Heloise or perhaps even connected to President Luaga - it's not beyond reason that the Presidents of Bengalla had an "in" with the Phantom in case they needed him. Either way, I'm sure it will all be explained. |
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| Vivek | Oct 1 2009, 01:04 PM Post #10 |
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Exactly.. that is my whole beef with the idea of changing the costume, rather than the changes to the costume itself. True.. but even if we are led to believe that there are some selected trust worthy people of Bengalla who know about the legacy, by changing the costume and Kit proclaiming himself as the Phantom he is shattering the singular image and illusion of the Ghost Who Walks to the general public. But I guess it could work since the city crowd are probably not aware of the Phantom legend and hence won't bear any comparisons between the original and modern costume. |
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| Bill F. | Oct 1 2009, 01:48 PM Post #11 |
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If there is any real need to change the costume, why not keep at a colour change, like from the horrid chartruse colour used in the '96 movie to black ala The Dark Knight???? |
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| McBrewster | Oct 1 2009, 03:06 PM Post #12 |
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My initial reaction is: How is this the Phantom? Okay, they kept the passing down of hero status from generation to generation, the name "Kit", and the skull insignia. But other than that.... I don't see it. And WHY is this the Phantom? Why not just create a new super hero? There's no jungle! You can do Phantom in the City but there at least needs to be a jungle origin. (Sorry, a flashback doesn't cut it for me) He works for some secret government agency? (Yawn!) After making fun of the original Phantom costume the one he uses looks like an ugly swat team uniform. (And worse: not cool!) So why bother? It's not like the Phantom is so well known anymore that it will bring that many people to the show. Bring back Billy Zane! (I never thought I'd be saying that!) Okay, I know I'm passing a lot of judgement over just a trailer but that's what we're doing here, right? On the plus side Ryan Carnes is quite easy to look at. And in spite of all my negative comments: of COURSE I'll be watching!! |
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| Xander | Oct 2 2009, 11:49 AM Post #13 |
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When i saw the trailer I was like this should be cool and then i saw the costume but still if the miniseries is a success they can always change the costume later or improve it i mean its not going to be indestructible even the current phantom has gone through a few costumes. Also since this is about the 22nd phantom you can expect it to be more violent than the 21st since they are different people and in his other depiction (the Marvel series) he was more violent. The Singh Brotherhood also look very interesting decapitating one of their own for what i assume is failure just like in the comics. so all in all i think as long as we take it as a new series that has small nods at the original mythology (aka the original Phantom Suit) like other shows do ie smallville then we should all be able to enjoy it. Also i think like smallville they think they need to build up there viewing base to begin with with something "new" then slowly bring more and more mythology into it as the years go by who knows maybe kit will eventually come to appreciate the original costume maybe not. All i know that is most shows take time to develop and grow as the seasons pass so providing it doesn't get canceled staight after the miniseries it has IMO a good chance to develop into a decent show. |
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| Paul Andreas | Oct 2 2009, 07:24 PM Post #14 |
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I believe the agency, "Bha Thap", is actually the Jungle Patrol, if I remember correctly. Off course, they don't know about the handing down of the costume either in the comic.
You're probably right, but this great man proves a notable exception to this rule:  Proves that less if very often more. McBrewster:
First, welcome to the forum! I heard they're doing a flashback to the origin of the 1st Phantom, which is what excites me the most about the project. I'm fine with flashbacks, and hopefully they will be better done than the brief ones seen in the Zane movie. As for the violence, I certainly don't mind (like Xander says it is reminicent of the 22nd Phantom in the Marvel mini, a series I loved), but I don't want to see the comics "gored up". Anybody can do violence, but it's often much more interesting to me when edgy things are merely implied/hinted at, such as in Lee Falk's Phantom novels and his earliest daily strip stories. Re-watching the trailer, I will say this: Now that the initial geek-orgasm of seeing the Phantom on screen again for the first time since 1996 has vanished, the sole reason I am not breathlessly awaiting this show, as opposed to being merely "interested" in seeing it, is that bloody costume. If they changed the hood back to the old one, it would make all the difference in the world. Still, I prefer it to the intial concept art, without doubt. |
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| JD | Oct 2 2009, 09:36 PM Post #15 |
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It's interesting it's the 22nd Phantom because it throws continuity RIGHT out the window. As we know the 22nd knows all about the Oath. For the 22nd to not know a thing he'd have to have been taken from "Diana" (or whomever the series will depict) basically from birth, or his father never was the Phantom, making the 21st his grandfather...or something. It'll be interesting to see how they swing that. But then it worked in 2040. |
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