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| Indrajal Comics #6 - Free Download | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 4 2009, 06:43 PM (234 Views) | |
| JD | Nov 4 2009, 06:43 PM Post #1 |
Evil Genius
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Apparently, it's the best scan of the comic available for download.
Edited by JD, Nov 4 2009, 06:46 PM.
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| Xander | Nov 10 2009, 11:43 AM Post #2 |
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I haven't gone over to have a look at the site for myself but seeing this article on CC main page got me wondering whether this was legal or not ?
Edited by Xander, Nov 10 2009, 11:43 AM.
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| JD | Nov 10 2009, 07:28 PM Post #3 |
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It depends. There is a lot involved in the legalities of such things, and really I wasn't about to find much out. However, it's something that many fans would not have the opportunity to see otherwise, so that is why I posted it. |
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| Xander | Nov 10 2009, 07:33 PM Post #4 |
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Fair enough it just got me thinking is all. and your right about fans not being able to see it anywhere else seeing as Indrajal's phantom comics have long gone out of print. |
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| JD | Nov 10 2009, 08:02 PM Post #5 |
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It's a balance thing for me. I've posted about my feeling regarding bootlegged comic on the forums before, but if it's the only way fans can see the thing, then it has to be done. |
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| Xander | Nov 10 2009, 10:00 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah I think I've mentioned I'm against them in the past but i do understand how a fan may be interested in being able to few something they might otherwise not be able to. |
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| Andreas | Nov 11 2009, 06:38 PM Post #7 |
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In my eyes it is definetely illegal. Whether it should be illegal is a different discussion, but the copyright laws have not be changed yet, so they're crystal clear. It can also be discussed what is meant with "if it's the only way fans can see the thing". Yes, the Indrajal issues are hard to find but they contain the same stories published elsewhere. The story in Indrajal #6 is "The Crescent Cult" by Falk & McCoy. Why is this the only way fans can read the story? Couldn't the availabilty of this story for free affect publishers like Frew, Egmont, Comics Revue and Hermes Press who try to publish Phantom comics today? Their publications depend on readers who are willing to pay for stories printed on paper, and reprints of old stories are vital to the production of new stories too. This particular issue may not be so damaging to current Phantom publications but others definetely are - scans of very recent Frew and Moonstone issues are also available on the web. Why will people bother to buy the expensive Moonstones when they know they can be downloaded for free within weeks of the release? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to be a saint in this matter. And Phantom comic scans have been vital in some of the projects I am involved in, like PhantomWiki. But as long as the laws aren't changed, and copyright holders of the Phantom see it as wrong, it IS wrong to share complete stories digitally. Those of us who download comics will have to face the consequences if we're confroted for it (which I find extremely unlikely), but even more imprtantly take into account that the availability of comic scans may damage the current publishers of Phantom comics. Even if all of us on CC still buy Phantom comics, I think there are many more who don't... |
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| benno | Nov 11 2009, 07:25 PM Post #8 |
pɐǝɥ ʎɯ oʇ ƃuıɥsnɹ sı pooןq
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I don't have a black or white opinion on 'downloading' nor do I think there is a black or white solution. A recent study into illegal downloading in the music industry found that most people who downloaded also bought music. That is to say it's the music industries own customers who illegally download. These results--albeit focusing on the music industry--suggests that people will still buy IP even if they may also download it. |
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| JD | Nov 12 2009, 07:35 PM Post #9 |
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Really, as far as the site goes, it is a kind of hard choice. Do we do the "right thing" legally and not post it or do we do the "right thing" by our readers, the Phantom fans, and let them know it's out there and leave the moral decision to them? It was something I struggled with before posting the article. Was I right to post it? I'm not sure. Would fans want to have the ability to see something they never have before? Of course? It is a very grey matter and not something I take lightly. But it's the ONLY way many phans will see that book, so I posted it, for right or wrong. I guess the Phan in me won out there. |
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| benno | Nov 12 2009, 10:06 PM Post #10 |
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pɐǝɥ ʎɯ oʇ ƃuıɥsnɹ sı pooןq
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Well you're not redistributing it yourself. All the copyright holder's could do is ask you to take the post down. Me thinks they wont do that. |
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| Andreas | Nov 13 2009, 03:32 AM Post #11 |
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IMO it's the site that hosts the scans that should be held accountable (should KFS ever take action). But, in Sweden there was recently a big trial where Pirate Bay, a site that links to BitTorrent files (and does not host them), was found guitly of assistance to copyright infringement and fined 3,620,000 USD. In this particular case, my biggest question is why the scan of Indrajal #6 would warrant attention? Literally hundreds of Indrajal issues are scanned and available for download on various sites, and arguably they're all pretty hard to find, even for people in India. Should we link to scans of #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 etc...? Fans in India also claim that Moonstone's Phantom comics are hard to find (or at least too expensive to import). Does that justify scans of these stories too? Would CC post about them? It's all a matter of perspective. Edited by Andreas, Nov 13 2009, 03:33 AM.
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| Bill F. | Nov 13 2009, 10:56 AM Post #12 |
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My personal experience with downloading music has led me to be interested in buying music from artists that I would never of heard of, had their music not been available on the various peer to peer downloaders that I have used, now I realise that there are people out there who want something for nothing all the time, but I feel that the opportunity to be able to sample something for free, be it music or comics, should be regarded as a form of advertising rather than a form of theft of intelectual property. |
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| Geaghs | Nov 13 2009, 01:24 PM Post #13 |
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I think it comes down to where you draw the line in the sand. Do you want the site to be only for Licensed Phantom news or do you want it to be for all Phantom information out there. Not long ago you had a news bit on the Phantom Statues produced by PhantomBr in Brazil. Now they look brilliant, but I doubt very much that KFS has licensed them. Should this story have been put on the website as it is promoting illegal merchandise?? The only way around it that I can think of, is to do the article & provide the link but don’t mention in the article that the comic can be downloaded. Same with the statues, mention that you have discovered a statue by PhantomBr, post an image and advise if anybody wants more info they can contact PhantomBr. Now as Andreas has stated this does not necessarily protect you from prosecution (ahh Pirate Bay, where would I be without you  , it's still up and running by the way) but at least you are not promoting illegal activity (which I know you don’t like  ) |
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| JD | Nov 15 2009, 05:33 PM Post #14 |
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Ok, so there is another of these available for download. I won't post it on the main site, so let me know if you want me to continue posting these. |
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| Paw Broon | Nov 18 2009, 03:18 AM Post #15 |
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Certainly continue to post these download links. They are illegal and I really don't care, as far as old comics go. Downloading old Indrajal comics (something I do regularly as I can't find those stories or they are in a different format than the ones in my collection) is part of my appreciation of the hobby and it hasn't stopped me ordering the Hermes book or popping into A1 Comics in Glasgow to buy the new Moonstone issues. Nor does it stop me buying back issues from comic dealers at markets or on line. I also download lots of stuff from Nedor-a-Day, goldenagecomics.co.uk and a number of other sites because I either can't afford the originals or can't find them. Most of these titles are public domain and I don't download new comics, mainly cos I don't particularly enjoy modern comics very much but also because it might damage the industry. Not only do many of these Indian blogs have Phantom titles but also host Indian versions of Rip Kirby, Garth, Mandrake and lots more. I've downloaded lots and, again, it hasn't stopped me buying Rip Kirby collections (albeit in Spanish cos I can't find English language versions) and the Garth strips aren't even on ebay. Don't download pirated new comics or movies or music, that's not nice. Other, older stuff you want that you don't have or want in other formats, go ahead. |
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