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2010 Season; Combined Competition
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disco stu
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Sep 10 2010, 06:15 PM
What they have always done in the past.



And the help would be, make the points system not so savage.
More later.
Well what they done in the past is get players from Camden,The Oaks,Picton, Campbelltown etc.

Reformatting the points system will only cause favouritism here.

Let Oakdale work around the rules not the rules work around Oakdale.
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Sep 10 2010, 05:17 PM
Why should two perfectly okay first grade clubs have to merge????
What for? Because the group have come up with a point system that favors the big clubs in the comp?
All these two clubs want is to be left alone, and don't make life hard for them by making them squeeze under some ridiculous cap number that doesn't suit their area or population.
You would think the management would be trying to HELP them along, or even be praising them for outstanding work over the years.
Just because Oakdale are winning the comp this year doesn't mean they are perennial competition winners. To my knowledge, in their 40 or 50 year existence, they've only ever won the comp once.
The Oaks are in a similar pozzy, having only lifted one cup in the last forty odd years.
No clubs should have to merge just because someone higher-up says so, and if anything, the other clubs in the group should back them up more when they come under unnecessary fire.

let mossvale and bowral merge.
Why Would Moss vale and Bowral merge??? Mossy are doing more than fine on there own and to be honest what do we have that Mossy need!!! ZIP

The only merger down here that would have merit is Robbo Bowral if done right But it aint going to happen. (failed last time)

We will be back one day :correct: we have a loyal committe and there learning each year just need some time
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East Campbelltown Eagles Group 6 Country Rugby League Club Champions!
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Sep 10 2010, 08:13 PM
East Campbelltown Eagles Group 6 Country Rugby League Club Champions!
Well done :cheers: Not bad for 2nd year in comp.

Any other results from last nights awards ??
Edited by disco stu, Sep 11 2010, 08:57 AM.
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Coach of the Year Brendan Reeves from Oakdale, Player of the year Ben Baker Narellan.
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Sep 10 2010, 04:33 PM
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I do like your way of thinking TC, your club would have at lot of money, but the way i understand the points system by 2012 your player points would be 200, this would give Oakdale only 20 players ( at 10 points). So i hope Oakdale come up with another system to survive.
Merge with The Oaks :correct: if they wish to compete in Group 6 .

I mean this with sincerity and no disrespect as this would be beneficial for rugby league in the burragorang shire. 3 grade sides plus an u/18 side plus and importantly juniors coming thru. More than a sustainable option, but tradition and pride are hard obstacles to overcome for both teams to be a reality.

Once the nucleus of Oakdales team one day retires (lowes,pes,mcbeths etc) then what next ??? What is their plan for the future ??

On a different note i was having a conversation recently in the pub and it came up how Picton actually had another team called the Picton Knights but they didnt play in group 6 down but down in wollongong?? Does anyone remember this ??
Yeah, the likes of Crockett, Bowers, Eckler, and Sheppherd played down there.
They all came back asa better footballers.
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Sep 10 2010, 06:46 AM
You spot on about Player of the Year having some strange winners, My pick this year is David Lowe from Oakdale who has had a great season with the added pressure of being the treasurer at Oakdale. In regards to Picton hosting 2 games Blue-Devil you are right Picton were promised the Grand Final this year, and it is the only promise Management have stood by. I also remember that Oakdale are to host it in 2011.
David Lowe has had an awesome season, it just goes to show how poor the judges are of this award because he is not in the running.
Here's an example of why,
Oakdale flogged Narellan back in round 13, 54-6.
On the day the standout player was probably David Lowe, but i think the 3 points went to Todd Pes. Now the 2 points didn't even go to an Oakdale player, they went to Ben Baker, how and why i have no idea. If the referees have a token gesture of giving a losing player 2 points, i would have given it to either Daniel Young, or Gavin Wilson, however no Narellan player deserved points on that day, they seemed to not try.
David was awarded 1 point, which is not an indication of his dominance.
Unfortunately our points system is poor, the referee has a tough enough job as it is, let alone remembering how good someone was, and invariably i've found, if you are a captain, or goal kicker, the referee remembers you at the end of the game, and points may go your way.
What's that about Oakdale to host in 2011?
54-6, and Baker gets 2 points.
Final Tally
Ben Baker 21
Todd Pes 19

This idiotic allocation of points cost Todd Pes player of the year. Very Poor.
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I do like your way of thinking TC, your club would have at lot of money, but the way i understand the points system by 2012 your player points would be 200, this would give Oakdale only 20 players ( at 10 points). So i hope Oakdale come up with another system to survive.
Merge with The Oaks :correct: if they wish to compete in Group 6 .

I mean this with sincerity and no disrespect as this would be beneficial for rugby league in the burragorang shire. 3 grade sides plus an u/18 side plus and importantly juniors coming thru. More than a sustainable option, but tradition and pride are hard obstacles to overcome for both teams to be a reality.

Once the nucleus of Oakdales team one day retires (lowes,pes,mcbeths etc) then what next ??? What is their plan for the future ??

On a different note i was having a conversation recently in the pub and it came up how Picton actually had another team called the Picton Knights but they didnt play in group 6 down but down in wollongong?? Does anyone remember this ??
Yeah, the likes of Crockett, Bowers, Eckler, and Sheppherd played down there.
They all came back asa better footballers.
There is no way you could do that these days as group 6 wouldnt let any club head down south. As if they did a fair few clubs would go!!
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Sep 11 2010, 02:58 PM
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I do like your way of thinking TC, your club would have at lot of money, but the way i understand the points system by 2012 your player points would be 200, this would give Oakdale only 20 players ( at 10 points). So i hope Oakdale come up with another system to survive.
Merge with The Oaks :correct: if they wish to compete in Group 6 .

I mean this with sincerity and no disrespect as this would be beneficial for rugby league in the burragorang shire. 3 grade sides plus an u/18 side plus and importantly juniors coming thru. More than a sustainable option, but tradition and pride are hard obstacles to overcome for both teams to be a reality.

Once the nucleus of Oakdales team one day retires (lowes,pes,mcbeths etc) then what next ??? What is their plan for the future ??

On a different note i was having a conversation recently in the pub and it came up how Picton actually had another team called the Picton Knights but they didnt play in group 6 down but down in wollongong?? Does anyone remember this ??
Yeah, the likes of Crockett, Bowers, Eckler, and Sheppherd played down there.
They all came back asa better footballers.
There is no way you could do that these days as group 6 wouldnt let any club head down south. As if they did a fair few clubs would go!!
Im talking late 90s , Picton Knights wore Penrith jumpers similar to this,

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Disco, why is it that clubs in the group 6 comp that are located south of the Razorback seem to have an advantage over other clubs in the the comp when it comes to decision making?
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Sep 11 2010, 03:47 PM
Disco, why is it that clubs in the group 6 comp that are located south of the Razorback seem to have an advantage over other clubs in the the comp when it comes to decision making?
I don't know what you mean?? :dunno:

Whats this in reference too?
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The Picton knights was just a pub team based out of The Imperial Hotel. They played third grade or similar in the W'gong comp. Nothing to do with G6. Dave Green and Danny Payne played with them from memory. The players TC is referring to went down to Collies down the coast nothing to
do with the Picton Knights
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What do u mean Camden-nite?
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any scores from tonite games?
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Sep 11 2010, 08:02 PM
any scores from tonite games?
City def Moss Vale 24-10

Easts def Minto in 3rd grade unsure of the score

Robertson def ESA 32-0

The ground was pretty ordinary there tonight
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Disco if one looks at who is represented on the boards most of the members seem to come from south and as a result the decisions that are made seem to benefit those clubs south of the divide more than those situated north of the border.
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Eagles 3rd Grade team def Minto 42-34
Collies under 18's def Eagles 30-12 and game before that Ingleburn RSL def Minto, not sure of the score
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Sep 11 2010, 09:13 PM
Disco if one looks at who is represented on the boards most of the members seem to come from south and as a result the decisions that are made seem to benefit those clubs south of the divide more than those situated north of the border.
LOL I wish
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Disco your statement re the merge of Oakedale and the Oaks is an example of the bias shown, the two clubs north of the devide have as much right to exist as your clubs, whose idea is it to drop the points allocation to Two Hundred?
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Sep 11 2010, 09:22 PM
Disco your statement re the merge of Oakedale and the Oaks is an example of the bias shown, the two clubs north of the devide have as much right to exist as your clubs, whose idea is it to drop the points allocation to Two Hundred?
Well for starters most of the people on the group management actually come from the wollondilly and camden shire, i hardly believe they all think as one. If management feel the same way about a merger then its news to me as its a personal opinion of mine.

Oakdale RLFC along with all the other teams in the group knew about the points system when it was implemented and that it would on a sliding scale over the years, yet Oakdale seems to have done nothing about it. It may probably explain why the last committee bailed and left the running of the club to the snr players to deal with the issue this year. You cant really blame this years committee as such as this is their first year as club administrators, but should have been warned by the previous committee.If Oakdale had a retention committee they would have identified at the time of the points announcement 2 years ago to try and retain players at the club in order for them to be classed as 2 point local players now or of even less value now than they were then. This should have been a priority at the get go ,yet they failed to plan and it has planned to fail and now the gate is shut and the horse has bolted.
They wanted concessions this year and were granted them but due to their own mismanagement they have got themselves in this mess due to poor planning. All other clubs have had to plan around this as well, take Thirlmere for example ,and the amount of players they have had to shed in order to stay under the points system. Its easy to point the finger at management when the club itself could have been proactive about its recruitment and retention also. The agendas against teams in the south are just nonsense, both Mittagong, Bowral & Moss Vale have worked hard to get where they are today, it wasnt that long ago the northern clubs were dominant, its just a cycle rugby league goes thru and maybe its the tall poppy syndrome rearing its ugly head again.

I asked the question about their elder players who are local when they eventually retire who will replace them?? The Oaks & Oakdale have a right to exist on their own but what sustainability does the workers have when they have no juniors ? Oakdale may need to just field a first grade side if they cant fit under the points system next year.

I do however think they should re introduce a concession of one free player - void of any points penalty (applicable to sides fielding first grade). Most clubs usually nominated an ex NRL or someone of higher value. I think this is more about the group at rep level than the club ,as this group has suffered at rep level for far too long due to the restraints of attracting big names or class players to this competition.
Edited by disco stu, Sep 11 2010, 10:08 PM.
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