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2010 Season; Combined Competition
Topic Started: Jan 4 2010, 06:44 PM (37,342 Views)
oparnz82
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From my understanding of Oakdales points situation the committee openly told the group 6 committe that they would be over the points due to their reserve grade team fielding a few young blokes who were picton juniors worth 25 points each (who the year before were turned away from the picton club due to too many numbers) The groups reply was dont worry about it submit your points and we will allow oakdale the appropriate concessions. The rest is history.....unfortunately all oakdale were guilty of in this case was giving some young blokes a go and trusting the word/promises of the group 6 committee... perhaps their mistake was not getting these notions in writing as it seems a deny, deny, deny policy was group 6's get out of jail card after they handed down the largest stripping of points in country rugby league history... the irony is that their first grade team had a tally much less than their reserve grade team and most other group 6 first grade teams.... all in all a very sad situation.... I have spoken to many a person, supporter and player from all different clubs who along with myself expressed their utter disbelief with the penalty handed down... common sense would say a monetry fine for the club would have been more than sufficient given the circumstances..... on the group 6 awards congratulations to all winners..... once again the coveted player of the year left plenty of people scratching their heads.... I think its time the group got fair dinkum about this as it is a showpiece of the competition, referees points are a joke, they have a massive job to do without having to select a 3,2,1 after every game. Perhaps an independant representative from both clubs, or even opposing coaches select a players/s from opposing teams, just an idea.
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Sep 11 2010, 09:58 PM
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Sep 11 2010, 09:22 PM
Disco your statement re the merge of Oakedale and the Oaks is an example of the bias shown, the two clubs north of the devide have as much right to exist as your clubs, whose idea is it to drop the points allocation to Two Hundred?
Well for starters most of the people on the group management actually come from the wollondilly and camden shire, i hardly believe they all think as one. If management feel the same way about a merger then its news to me as its a personal opinion of mine.

Oakdale RLFC along with all the other teams in the group knew about the points system when it was implemented and that it would on a sliding scale over the years, yet Oakdale seems to have done nothing about it. It may probably explain why the last committee bailed and left the running of the club to the snr players to deal with the issue this year. You cant really blame this years committee as such as this is their first year as club administrators, but should have been warned by the previous committee.If Oakdale had a retention committee they would have identified at the time of the points announcement 2 years ago to try and retain players at the club in order for them to be classed as 2 point local players now or of even less value now than they were then. This should have been a priority at the get go ,yet they failed to plan and it has planned to fail and now the gate is shut and the horse has bolted.
They wanted concessions this year and were granted them but due to their own mismanagement they have got themselves in this mess due to poor planning. All other clubs have had to plan around this as well, take Thirlmere for example ,and the amount of players they have had to shed in order to stay under the points system. Its easy to point the finger at management when the club itself could have been proactive about its recruitment and retention also. The agendas against teams in the south are just nonsense, both Mittagong, Bowral & Moss Vale have worked hard to get where they are today, it wasnt that long ago the northern clubs were dominant, its just a cycle rugby league goes thru and maybe its the tall poppy syndrome rearing its ugly head again.

I asked the question about their elder players who are local when they eventually retire who will replace them?? The Oaks & Oakdale have a right to exist on their own but what sustainability does the workers have when they have no juniors ? Oakdale may need to just field a first grade side if they cant fit under the points system next year.

I do however think they should re introduce a concession of one free player - void of any points penalty (applicable to sides fielding first grade). Most clubs usually nominated an ex NRL or someone of higher value. I think this is more about the group at rep level than the club ,as this group has suffered at rep level for far too long due to the restraints of attracting big names or class players to this competition.

Disco you write like your in the know, but i doubt you have even been part of actually running a club, its not as easy as you say , so let me fill you in on the real events.
In regards to last years committee bailing i think this statement is very harsh. I was present at 3 meetings and 2 forums when the reps from Oakdale were assured time and time again by management that they would be granted concessions of this points system because of their unique situation. And this only changed early this season when the club was advised by email that no concessions would be granted. The past committee of Oakdale have fought this points system
from the time it was introduced.
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I didnt say running a club was easy, :dunno: i said however the committee should have been more proactive in the retention of players when the points system was first introduced as their points worth would be significantly less now than they were then. This should have been done regardless of any concessions that were promised by management.

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Sep 12 2010, 12:02 PM
I didnt say running a club was easy, :dunno: i said however the committee should have been more proactive in the retention of players when the points system was first introduced as their points worth would be significantly less now than they were then. This should have been done regardless of any concessions that were promised by management.


Disco may you should hire yourself out to clubs as a consultant, how are you at heating pies, washing jumpers, cleaning toilets, cleaning dressing sheds, mowing, picking up rubbish, printing programs, doing raffles, packing drink fridges, cleaning water bottles.
As for player retention how do you plan for retirement, change of employment, change of living arrangements and injures . May be you will need a crystal ball as well
As for merging with The Oaks the problem will still remain, The Oaks juniors had no under 16s this year and i can not see this changing next year, so all the foresight or planning is not going to fix this problem.
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[/quote]Disco may you should hire yourself out to clubs as a consultant.

I have, ive consulted Moss Vale and they have the best season, winning the first grade minor premiership and coming close to the reserve grade GF. :yeah: :cheers:

So i have a fair idea of how a club runs thanx footy shorts. :correct:
Edited by disco stu, Sep 12 2010, 01:11 PM.
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oparnz82
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Disco its very hard to plan for the future when there are no juniors, even if only a small contingent. Your argument sounds righteous in theory but is ignorant of broader circumstances. Since I have been following the local footy in group 6, Oakdale has always contributed to the strength of this competition. They have always fielded a competitive first, reserve and in some cases under 18's teams for the last 50 years... If you take a look back in recent years the southern highlands teams as well as northern district clubs have been forced to compete in 3rd division, reserve grade, dnc cups etc not in first grade... These teams with a strong junior base cannot retain or keep players in the game?? why? In terms of player retention Oakdale would have one of the best in comparison to other clubs! I cant believe the amount of club swapping we see between clubs such as Picton - Thirlmere.... Mittagong - Moss Vale....! Two examples Nathan Sutton rooster, magpie, rooster, magpie, rooster??? Shane Martin mitta, rooster, dragon?? Why couldnt mittagong retain a player like shane martin? He should have been priority..! Mitta and Mossy have some of the most talented juniors in the group... I guess with their latest success Mossy may have unlocked the key to retaining players!! any thoughts people?
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So in other words you've never been involved in actually running a club, which I knew anyway from your postings.
You still haven't answered why the management promised they would put something in place, then reneged on that promise.
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well said oparn.
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Oakdales problem has been with their reserve grade side, their first grade side has barely changed in the last 5 years. I have an old programme for 2 years ago and that reserve grade side barely resembles the one that played this year...... why is that??

Moss Vale adopted a programme this year that identified alot of their talented juniors playing elsewhere . One example was Josh Champion who has played with Shellharbour for the last couple of years . Instead of chasing imports like they did last year and getting no value in return it was decide to recruit back their own which has proved successfull . Picton has done the same when their players headed down the coast , it was a model Moss Vale adopted.
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Sep 12 2010, 01:20 PM
You still haven't answered why the management promised they would put something in place, then reneged on that promise.
How would i know?? :dunno: ask them. You obviously seem to have connections by the info you present.

Or if your going to the finals today at Picton the management be sitting on the verandah at Pictons clubhouse, let me know about your conversation with them and you might get your answer. :correct:
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oparnz82
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Disco that seems like a very good initiative chasing former juniors, and something I hope the clubs continue to do... however those options are not viable for a club with 0 juniors. Having spoken to Oakdales president earlier this year, I was informed that as part of the concessions afforded to Oakdale AFTER the stripping of points was that they may claim junior players from The Oaks, Warragamba as their own junior 2 point players.. Hmmmmm yet players from Picton, Thirlmere, etc are off limits... or remain 25 point players even if they were turned away from those clubs previously and geographically they are closer to Oakdale than Warra anyway... That doesnt promote growth in this comp and is unfair for those teams trying to rebuild dont you think. How would you like it if Mitta were given the green light to poach mossy juniors but couldnt touch bowral juniors..just for example or vica versa??? And dont get me started about players from other comps eg, Illawarra - who are worth just 10 points...... Camden made a mockery of the merit of the current points system by using nearly a whole squad of cabramatta players worth 10 points, leaving maybe 2 locals to fly the junior flag for the rams.....very sad..
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Funny how things turn full circle.
Having been around a while, I can easily remember when Moss Vale were the easy-beats of the competition, running around in odd socks odd shorts, even odd jumpers, starting reserve grade games with only 11 or 12 players, having guys like Greg Burke, Pete Mcguiness and Craig Barton playing 2 full games every week, just so Mossy could fulfill their commitments. Did other clubs call for their execution? Did other clubs ask them to pull their socks up or nick off? Did other clubs ask them to file in under some ridiculous set of rules, such as, lets say for instance, "you must field a full reserve grade, with no players doubling up". Failure to comply means you must merge with another club....

No, they didn't.

To my knowledge everybody wished Mossy well, and knew that they would eventually get their house in order, esp. if they weren't knee-capped by stupid new rules.

In actual fact, the only people who kept telling them to merge with others were John Dayball and Graham Andrews. In fact, Andrews made a merged Highlands team his main priority for quite some time. Thankfully for all Moss Vale and Mittagong supporters he wasn't President then, cause if he was, you can be rest assured, their would no longer be a Moss Vale or Mitta team to cheer for as seperate identities.

So now that the dragons have righted their ship, and are still a stand alone club, I find it a little distasteful that their supporters should suggest that other clubs should merge, not because of bad management, but because there are some new rules. Rules to suit the largest clubs in the competition.

Lastly;
There is a section of the Country League constitution that states that the management of a group should be helping ALL clubs in their boundary, not just some.
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Anyone got todays results??
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Sep 12 2010, 02:09 PM
How would you like it if Mitta were given the green light to poach mossy juniors but couldnt touch bowral juniors..just for example or vica versa???
They did ,mittagong got 5 of our u/18 players and robertson got 4, u/18 players. Robo in the gf next week whilst mittagong make it to the gf qualifier...... go figure, So if there was percieved favouritism going on then why did we lose them when we had an u/18 side this year???????????? Local jnrs are meant to progress out of u/18s of their parent club before they play elsewhere, yet it didnt apply to Moss Vale, so the Dragons have had their battles too with management.

Mossy thru to the grand final defeating easts 28-10. Picton were leading Oakdale 8-0 when i left.

Easts defeated Collegians in reserves big score 32-10 i think. Well done Brownie you proved me wrong in my predictions.

ESA def Mittagong 30-28 in the u/18-1

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22-0 choke choke choke up the magpie Tc_11. enjoy mad monday! Up the dragons!!!
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appin beat mac fields 9-8, huge boilover in 3rds. whats the games & tips for the grand finals?
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Easts defeated Collegians in reserves big score 32-10 i think. Well done Brownie you proved me wrong in my predictions.



:clap: :clap: Thanks Disco :cheers: full credit to my boys
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Eagles in 2 Grand Finals next week, well done to all the Eagles teams, 1st grade went down fighting and the injury toll was too great, Res Grade done what the Wests Juniors should of done and that was kicking the Collies out of the competition, 3rd grade will play Appin considering Mac Fields where telling everyone they couldn't lose, our 18's were defeated by a fitter collies outfit, well done Eagles and best of luck next week.
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AN entire junior rugby league team was banned from playing until at least 2016 after three of them abused, threatened and chased a referee.

All 20 members of the under 18s Macarthur Saints, including the head coach and two staffers, last week received bans ranging from five years to life for the incident, which the Western Suburbs Junior Rugby League described as "the worst display of behaviour in this district".

But five of the suspensions - which were imposed without a hearing because of the extraordinary circumstances - have since been overturned on appeal.

The remaining 15 players and officials are not permitted to have any role in the code, nor set foot on a junior rugby league field until their bans expire.

They include a player who approached the referee with menace after being sent off and who was later arrested by police.


The suspensions are among the heaviest on record in NSW junior sport. But they have also attracted a furious response from the majority of the team, who claim their football futures have now been destroyed because of the actions of just three players.

The incident occurred during Macarthur's final round match against Picton Magpies at Liverpool Catholic Club on August 29.

Saints winger Daniel Douglas said the match was abandoned, with Picton leading 24-4, 18 minutes before full-time because of rising concerns about his team's approach to the referee.

"We were copping a lot of bad decisions and things were getting a bit heated, so they called the game off," the 16-year-old from Ambarvale said.

"As we walked off, the ref said something that fired a few of our players up.

"One took off his jersey and shaped-up. Another two started chasing him.

"He was being chased for about 30 seconds, but it looked like the whole team was chasing because most of us were trying to catch the other three guys to calm them down."

The referee eventually found refuge behind junior league officials under the scoreboard and left the ground as Macarthur players were ordered back to their dressing rooms.

Police arrived 15 minutes later and have since interviewed several witnesses, but WSJRL was last night unaware of any charges being laid.

The Macarthur players received individual letters from the WSJRL informing them of the penalties last Thursday night.

WSJRL president Wayne Hardy-Smith accepted the league had broken protocol by handing down the record punishments without a hearing.

"But we took that action in an attempt to get more evidence on appeal, and a DVD was forthcoming," Mr Hardy-Smith said.

He said the footage did not support allegations the referee had incited the side.
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Sep 12 2010, 08:09 PM
appin beat mac fields 9-8, huge boilover in 3rds. whats the games & tips for the grand finals?
Best news i've heard all week, possibly all Month...

Mac Fields were to cocky for their own good....

Waiting for all the excuses under the sun now...
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